patrick.net

Cell phones have GPS records, those could always point where the person was. Just another fallback, saw that on one of those crime shows.

Patrick says

She will not be punished at all. Women accuse and win, or they accuse and lose.

I don't get this part. Shouldn't she be liable for this? It's like saying she has a right to shoot at him, and if she misses (it's ok).

She should be liable, but what few laws there are against false accusations never seem to be enforced against women.

FortWayneIndiana says

It's like saying she has a right to shoot at him, and if she misses (it's ok).

Yes, pretty much so.

Patrick says

She should be liable, but what few laws there are against false accusations never seem to be enforced against women.

FortWayneIndiana says

It's like saying she has a right to shoot at him, and if she misses (it's ok).

Yes, pretty much so.

That's seriously fucked up, so much room for injustice.

Religions tend to have a very accurate view of women through long experience. The story of women lying about assault to get back at some man is so incredibly old it's in the bible. Has probably happened a billion times since then.

Now Joseph had been brought down to Egypt, and Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh, the captain of the guard, an Egyptian, had bought him from the Ishmaelites who had brought him down there. 2 The Lord was with Joseph, and he became a successful man, and he was in the house of his Egyptian master. 3 His master saw that the Lord was with him and that the Lord caused all that he did to succeed in his hands. 4 So Joseph found favor in his sight and attended him, and he made him overseer of his house and put him in charge of all that he had. 5 From the time that he made him overseer in his house and over all that he had, the Lord blessed the Egyptian's house for Joseph's sake; the blessing of the Lord was on all that he had, in house and field. 6 So he left all that he had in Joseph's charge, and because of him he had no concern about anything but the food he ate.

Now Joseph was handsome in form and appearance. 7 And after a time his master's wife cast her eyes on Joseph and said, “Lie with me.” 8 But he refused and said to his master's wife, “Behold, because of me my master has no concern about anything in the house, and he has put everything that he has in my charge. 9 He is not greater in this house than I am, nor has he kept back anything from me except you, because you are his wife. How then can I do this great wickedness and sin against God?” 10 And as she spoke to Joseph day after day, he would not listen to her, to lie beside her or to be with her.

11 But one day, when he went into the house to do his work and none of the men of the house was there in the house, 12 she caught him by his garment, saying, “Lie with me.” But he left his garment in her hand and fled and got out of the house. 13 And as soon as she saw that he had left his garment in her hand and had fled out of the house, 14 she called to the men of her household and said to them, “See, he has brought among us a Hebrew to laugh at us. He came in to me to lie with me, and I cried out with a loud voice. 15 And as soon as he heard that I lifted up my voice and cried out, he left his garment beside me and fled and got out of the house.” 16 Then she laid up his garment by her until his master came home, 17 and she told him the same story, saying, “The Hebrew servant, whom you have brought among us, came in to me to laugh at me. 18 But as soon as I lifted up my voice and cried, he left his garment beside me and fled out of the house.”

19 As soon as his master heard the words that his wife spoke to him, “This is the way your servant treated me,” his anger was kindled. 20 And Joseph's master took him and put him into the prison, the place where the king's prisoners were confined, and he was there in prison.

And you know what? There is no mention that Potiphar's wife got into any trouble at all for this bullshit even in 2,000 BC or whenever it was. Nothing has changed.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/19/student-jailed-falsely-accusing-taxi-driver-sexual-assault-refused-accept/
" criminology student has been jailed after falsely claiming a taxi driver sexually assaulted"
An other one saved by electronic signatures.
Apparently UK is a bit more severe on false accusers.

Nine months after Precopia's arrest, Flores said he took the evidence of an alibi to Bell County prosecutors, who dropped the charge "in the interest of justice."

That long? Also, he had to post $150k bail. If he used a Bondsman, the fee is typically 10%. That means this phony accusation cost him $15k. But in the eyes of the Judge, Lawmen, and Lawyers, justice was served because the charges were dropped after: "We are always willing to listen and examine new information, and that's exactly what we did in this case."

HeadSet says

That means this phony accusation cost him $15k

I don't see why a huge lawsuit is not in order. Isn't this slander? People are awarded $5,000 frequently on court TV shows for saying much less than this.

Patrick says

d you know what? There is no mention that Potiphar's wife got into any trouble at all for this bullshit even in 2,000 BC or whenever it was. Nothing has changed.

Not in BFE!

Tim Aurora says

"should be laws against women" ( I agree with that)

Wow.

Tim Aurora says

Patrick says

Religions tend to have a very accurate view of women through long experience. The story of women lying about assault to get back at some man is so incredibly old it's in the bible. Has probably happened a billion times.

Big stretch from "should be laws against women" ( I agree with that) to being a religious misogynist (disagree with that).

Most modern religions are not misogynist and balance man and woman pretty well. It's just that any step taken to give men equal rights back is decried as misogyny.

mell says

Most modern religions are not misogynist and balance man and woman pretty well.

Lol you're funny. Islam is just wonderful in it's approach to women. And how many female Catholic priests do you know?

Institutionalized religion is, and has been, one of the worst things humans ever inflicted upon themselves, and especially in the case of women.

Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. 1 Timothy 2:11-15

Feminism is the radical notion that women are men. But women are not men. Women think differently, speak differently, act differently from men.

Women and men have different roles to play in our survival. When either side abandons their role, those people die out to be replaced by those who have more respect for tradition.

Argue all you want, but without good mothers and babies, your arguments come to nothing in the long run. You die, the people who do the traditional things continue to live.

Argue all you want, but without good mothers and babies, your arguments come to nothing in the long run.

Also good fathers, as the good mothers will need support. Neither gender can play adolescent their whole life.

If accusation is proved false, not wrong, but clearly made up (such as this case). Person doing false accusation should be required to serve same jail sentence as if the other side were to lose.

I think that's the only fair way to prevent meritless bullshit accusations. If there is no retribution, it'll continue otherwise.

Evan F. says

mell says

Most modern religions are not misogynist and balance man and woman pretty well.

Lol you're funny. Islam is just wonderful in it's approach to women. And how many female Catholic priests do you know?

Institutionalized religion is, and has been, one of the worst things humans ever inflicted upon themselves, and especially in the case of women.

You should know that even on the extremely diverse patnet forum it is commonly accepted that Islam is not a modern religion. Many Christian churches accept female priests, there's nothing radical about the Catholic church not doing it. There are many clubs and organization where - due to the nature of said org - only women are elected as leaders, so what? There's plenty of female clergy even in the Catholic church, doesn't mean they oppress women. Religion has done much harm, but I'd say net-net it has done much more good to women and men than atheist structures. There's a reason mankind thrived and survived even in times of plague and many other adverse factors that could not be conquered by science yet back then, look no further than religion. Without Christian missionaries in Africa, many many many more people would have died there. You really think without religious moral - and otherwise - guiding women (and men) would have thrived back then? Come on.