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https://quillette.com/2018/03/10/psychology-progressive-hostility/

By CBOEtrader follow CBOEtrader   2018 Nov 21, 11:06am 1,994 views   13 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


“The results were clear and consistent,” remarks Haidt. “In all analyses, conservatives were more accurate than liberals.” Asked to think the way a liberal thinks, conservatives answered moral questions just as the liberal would answer them, but liberal students were unable to do the reverse. Rather, they seemed to put moral ideas into the mouths of conservatives that they don’t hold. To put it bluntly, Haidt and his colleagues found that progressives don’t understand conservatives the way conservatives understand progressives. This he calls the ‘conservative advantage,’ and it goes a long way in explaining the different ways each side deals with opinions unlike their own. People get angry at what they don’t understand, and an all-progressive education ensures that they don’t understand.
1   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2018 Nov 21, 11:08am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Proof that leftists lack empathy and understanding of the right, whereas the right DOES understand the left.

I think this is reflection of our time. The left is blinded by their own righteousness, and have no idea how other people think.
2   Ceffer   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 21, 11:09am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
"People get angry at what they don’t understand, and an all-progressive education ensures that they don’t understand. "

It's like paying to be brainwashed, with your fondest ambition to become a parroting apparatchik crowbarring free shit from the productive sector.
3   marcus   ignore (10)   2018 Nov 21, 11:27am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I like Haidt, and I'm surte there is something to that conclusion, but I think there is bias built in to this reporting of it.

In my experience both sides are often lacking in understanding the other's position, and both sides invest a lot of emotion in their point of view.

But sure, I see there would be many reasons for difference including a bias in academia, but perhaps the biggest difference is related to what they are arguing for.

Conservatives are often arguing against regulations that protect the people or against the safety nets we have for the dispossessed, or otherwise at least in appearances for the benefit of the oligarchs. Sure, sometimes at least in theory, conservatives are right that these things have gone to far in the left direction, but it should come as no surprise that liberals are more likely to feel they have the moral high ground, even when they are wrong.

As for gun rights, or arguments about gay marriage, or rest rooms for tranny's, or "the wall," etc., those are just distractions from the important debates. But it doesn't surprise me there either that liberals don't comprehend where conservatives are coming from, as well as conservatives think they understand the liberal oint of view. Sometimes there is a more obvious reason why one side can't comprehend the other sides point of view.
4   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2018 Nov 21, 11:49am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

marcus says
But it doesn't surprise me there either that liberals don't comprehend where conservatives are coming from, as well as conservatives think they understand the liberal point of view.


No they empirically proved that conservatives could mimic liberal responses but not vice versa. This is not about perspective, it is empirical fact.

Now this empirical fact is a function of the times, not a right vs left phenomenon I fully agree. The left is the side bombarded w propaganda to think the right is full of nazis. The left falsely represented nazi like responses when attempting to mimic the right, whereas the right accurately represented the SJW mindset.
5   HEYYOU   ignore (34)   2018 Nov 21, 12:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
But it doesn't surprise me there either that liberals don't comprehend where conservatives are coming from,


"Iraq has WMD."

"Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered In US War And Occupation Of Iraq "1,455,590"

"Number of U.S. Military Personnel Sacrificed (Officially acknowledged) In U.S. War And Occupation Of Iraq 4,801"

"Total Cost of Wars Since 2001
$4,671,079,450,012"

Did that nigger/boy Obama do anything to prosecute these "Crimes against Humanity"
Marcus hit on something- "those are just distractions"... to lying,maiming,killing slimy,scummy,Dregs of Humanity Republican Conservatives.
These mutherfuckers are too busy trying to get Mexico to pay for the Wall.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/

Why would the Left want to understand stupid Rep/Cons when they are known for their stupidity.?
Which Hater of Free Speech made comment 1 go missing?

Independents can always make the Left/Right look like the fools they are.
6   HEYYOU   ignore (34)   2018 Nov 21, 12:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I apologize,at my age,for not being able to say the important stuff in my comments.
Old fucks will milk it!

Fuck Democrats & Republicans!
7   marcus   ignore (10)   2018 Nov 21, 12:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
No they empirically proved


This was a study right ? And neither of us knows how well designed it was. But even if it was well designed - who was it given to ? College students ? Was it an experiment where people were asked to read a politically biased story and then explain that point of view, or was it more of a study based on somehow selecting people that are equally biased to the left or the right ? How do you do that ? And then asking them to explain an issue that is somehow equally opposed to their point of view. How do you find an issue that is equally opposed to their point of view ? How do you make sure the issue is all about political bias and not more about logic ? If it has a logic component, how do you control for that ?

Empirical fact ?

No, an example of empirical facts would be the data that climate scientists use to draw their conclusions. I don't see how the "study" referred to here can be made in a way that leads to anything remotely resembling empirical facts.

But their conclusions may be correct, in a way. I'm not disputing that.

marcus says
Conservatives are often arguing against regulations that protect the people or against the safety nets we have for the dispossessed, or otherwise at least in appearances for the benefit of the oligarchs. Sure, sometimes at least in theory, conservatives are right that these things have gone too far in the left direction, but it should come as no surprise that liberals are more likely to feel they have the moral high ground, even when they are wrong.


For once could you act like the conclusions of the study apply to you, and try to understand what I'm saying here ?
8   LastMan   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 21, 5:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Proof that leftists lack empathy and understanding of the right, whereas the right DOES understand the left.


CBOEtrader says
No they empirically proved that conservatives could mimic liberal responses but not vice versa. This is not about perspective, it is empirical fact.


So in other words the position of the left is understandable while the positions of the right aren't. Message understood.
9   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 21, 5:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says

No, an example of empirical facts would be the data that climate scientists use to draw their conclusions.

Stop it. There are many here on Patrick.net who have empirically proven that climate change is a Chinese hoax co-financed by the Illuminati.

Or something.
10   Quigley   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 21, 6:32pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LastMan says
in other words the position of the left is understandable while the positions of the right aren't.


I would replace “understandable” with “overly simplistic” which is why the Left is constantly confronted with the unintended consequences of their Leftist policies. They literally don’t understand that their simpleminded world view doesn’t actually reflect reality, and thus policies enacted upon this flawed understanding ALWAYS fail! There are no exceptions, and yet leftists consistently and erroneously insist that they are always right. Morons.
11   LastMan   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 21, 6:51pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
They literally don’t understand that their simpleminded world view doesn’t actually reflect reality, and thus policies enacted upon this flawed understanding ALWAYS fail! There are no exceptions, and yet leftists consistently and erroneously insist that they are always right. Morons.


"...ALWAYS fail! There are no exceptions,..." It's almost as if you've adopted some kind of extreme ideology.
12   Quigley   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 22, 10:42am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Give me one example of a Leftist policy that didn’t fail. Then we will talk about if I’m radical or just channeling the truth.
13   CornPoptheOriginalGangster   ignore (5)   2018 Nov 22, 3:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"Schizophrenia is caused by Family/Societal Problems". That was a big one in the 60s and 70s, one of the reasons the libbies pushed to close all the Mental Hospitals.

"We have to close the hospitals now. Families are poisonous to people's mental health. But for the love of god, shut down the Sanitoriums before it's too late! Don't wait, we have enough data theory. Now, now, now!!!! Don't be a science denier!"

We now know beyond any reasonable doubt it's largely genetic, and triggers include infant fevers in those predisposed to it.

The whole gender bender thing is also new.

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