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"GM Just Laid Off 15,000 Workers Less Than One Year After Trump Promised Tax Cuts Would Save US Jobs "

By HEYYOU following x   2018 Nov 26, 11:44am 1,660 views   96 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


"According to a Twitter message from the Washington Post, the motor company is set to fire 15 percent of its salaried workers, as well as to end production at five plants in the U.S. and in Canada."

How's that MAGA working, future unemployed Trumpies?
How many of your jobs will Trump send out of America?
How many Republicans lost jobs with Carrier?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gm-just-laid-off-15-163438328.html

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17   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 27, 10:31am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MisterLefty says
Cadillac sedans and SUV's - hideous. Chevy SUV's - hideous, glorified vans with AWD. But let's hear it for female executives.

You do realize that most of the Caddies on the road today were designed long before Mary Barra became CEO, I hope?
18   MisterLefty   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 27, 11:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Evan F. says
MisterLefty says
Cadillac sedans and SUV's - hideous. Chevy SUV's - hideous, glorified vans with AWD. But let's hear it for female executives.

You do realize that most of the Caddies on the road today were designed long before Mary Barra became CEO, I hope?
Great! What exciting designs has GM come up with since? Has Barra cleaned house in the design department? Do tell.
19   Booger   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 27, 11:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NuttBoxer says
Seriously though, who still buys GM?


I would be OK with a Volt, Cruz, or Sonic if they are still making them in USA.
20   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (36)   2018 Nov 27, 12:01pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The world wants electric cars with 0-150 mph in 2 seconds acceleration and with blow job robots, auto-pilot and mounted M134.
21   MisterLefty   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 27, 12:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Booger says
I would be OK with a Volt, Cruz, or Sonic if they are still making them in USA.
Hideous notch-back car. Why does the front of such ugly cars need to be higher than the side, i.e., the notch-back? There are no good looking cars that adopt this horrific styling feature. It's not rocket science.


22   Tenpoundbass   ignore (13)   2018 Nov 27, 12:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MisterLefty says
Hideous notch-back car.


Yeah I don't get why every car in the world even Obama Commie Cars had to copy the Mazda 3.
When you can just buy a Mazda for about $10K cheaper.

Republicans! Because Liberals lack imagination!
23   MisterLefty   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 27, 12:07pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Ugly notchback - 2014 Chevy Malibu. What are they thinking? Why does the front have to be taller than the side? This is backwards styling.

24   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 27, 12:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MisterLefty says
Great! What exciting designs has GM come up with since? Has Barra cleaned house in the design department? Do tell.

That's kind of what happening right now. Barra is cleaning house. For GM it's a relatively nimble move, they used to take a lot longer to pivot.
25   MisterLefty   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 27, 12:10pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Hideous Ford notch-back. Are they hiring blind designers?

26   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 27, 12:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MisterLefty says
Hideous Ford notch-back.


That's not a notch back design...?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notchback


28   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 27, 12:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Evan F. says
Their trucks are excellent. Very well built.



I have to agree with this. Every GM truck (Silvarado, Sierra) I've owned (or people in my family have owned) have been tanks. 300,000 miles+ type of reliability with simple garage maintenance (brakes, spark plugs, oil, etc). Fords or Dodges can't compare.

Compare that to fancy german cars (of which I own one), or any other Euro foo foo car that starts to have transmission problems by 80,000 miles, or rod bearings that destroy the engine before 60,000 miles.

Just remember to use fully synthetic oil, and every 5,000 miles or so, dump a half quart of oil into the engine to top it off. It will run forever.

Evan F. says
And blah blah blah scapegoating the unions is so goddamned tiresome.


I don't think it's scapegoating. The unions pension obligations crippled the company for decades. That's not to say I don't agree that GM management isn't partly responsible for crippling the company with its poor market decisions, but the unions absolutely did hold back GM as a company.
29   HEYYOU   ignore (25)   2018 Nov 27, 12:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NuttBoxer says
Shut uuup! Everything is fine! The economy can only go higher!!


Guess I should! I didn't realize how good everything is. ;-)
30   MisterLefty   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 27, 1:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Evan F. says
That's not a notch back design...?
The Wiki definition is a widely accepted definition. My issue is where the hood line is higher than the belt line, resulting in a notch, where the hood line drops down abruptly to join the belt line. This is backwards styling and is hideous. The Doge Challenger is the reverse, where the belt line rises up to join the rear hood, a classic styling design. Also, no front notch, the hood flows directly to the belt line.

Doing it the reverse makes for hideous cars. The hood line should be contiguous with the belt line for a car to have a chance at looking good. Look at how the Tesla model S finesses these generalities. The transition from the hood to the belt line is smooth and attractive, and notice the rise in the rear. This is not rocket science, and it doesn't cost anymore money. GM cars look hideous. The XT5 is a perfect example - why is the hood line that much taller? It is ugleeeee.

31   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (36)   2018 Nov 27, 1:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Can we please have a seance to bring Studebaker back from the dead?
32   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 27, 1:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
I have to agree with this. Every GM truck (Silvarado, Sierra) I've owned (or people in my family have owned) have been tanks. 300,000 miles+ type of reliability with simple garage maintenance (brakes, spark plugs, oil, etc). Fords or Dodges can't compare.


I was thinking cars, and Toyota’s or Honda’s(early 90’s). Although I’d also add the early 90’s Toyota trucks. All will do 400k easy, and a few even 500k.
33   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 27, 3:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MisterLefty says
The XT5 is a perfect example

You keep using SUVs when talking about notchback design. Notchbacks are sedans.
34   MisterLefty   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 27, 3:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Evan F. says
You keep using SUVs when talking about notchback design. Notchbacks are sedans.
You can get hung up on semantics if you want, but a hood line taller than the belt line is plain ugly.
35   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 27, 5:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trump wants GM to keep the plants open and keep manufacturing Cruze and Impala's that no one wants. I wonder if Trump would even sit in one of those cars.
GM acknowledges that no one wants those cars. They are trying to survive for the long term by getting rid of some plants and focusing on profitable cars. Trump has no right to tell a private corporation how to run their business unless he is prepared to make up for losses GM will surely experience.
36   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 27, 5:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says
"GM Just Laid Off 15,000 Workers Less Than One Year After Trump Promised Tax Cuts Would Save US Jobs "


By the way, tax cuts have saved US jobs, and even created more jobs.
The lowest unemployment rates in history did not happen by accident.
37   Tenpoundbass   ignore (13)   2018 Nov 27, 6:10pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

They'll be hiring 30,000 Americans by next spring count it. They just lost their Obama Bread
38   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 27, 6:21pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trump wants GM to keep the plants open and keep manufacturing Cruze and Impala's that no one wants.

Actually, Trump said to use those plants to build cars people actually want. GM is going to do similar anyway, except by closing deadwood and expanding plants pumping out the desired vehicles. Since other plants will be expanding, many laid off workers who do not mind moving can be re-hired.
39   Tenpoundbass   ignore (13)   2018 Nov 27, 6:21pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        


This is GM CEO, Mary Barra, who just announced the layoff of 14,000 US GM workers in her attempt to harm Trump by hurting the economy. See who she pals around with!
40   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 27, 6:31pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Compact cars in general aren’t selling unless they are hybrids or made in Japan. I believe Ford stopped production of their car lines.
41   Booger   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 27, 6:40pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MisterLefty says
Why does the front have to be taller than the side?


EU frontal impact standards have ruined car styling.

http://www.autonews.com/article/20120423/OEM03/304239967/european-safety-styled-cars-due-in-u.s.

The 2013 Chevrolet Malibu, shown, and 2012 Mercedes CLS have high hood lines and low bumpers to ease a blow to a pedestrian's head and legs.



European styling is migrating to U.S. showrooms as global automakers race to comply with new EU safety rules.

Tougher European Union regulations take effect next year aimed at better protecting pedestrians who are struck by vehicles. As a result, the next generation of many vehicles sold globally will have higher hood lines and lower bumpers -- changes designed to soften the blow to a pedestrian's head and legs during a crash.

The prevalence of vehicles designed for global markets means these styling changes are making their way to the United States on many nameplates due out this year.

Take the redesigned 2013 Ford Fusion, expected to arrive in volumes at dealerships in early fall.

"From the side, the new Ford Fusion looks like a box," said Aaron Bragman, an IHS Automotive analyst.
42   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (36)   2018 Nov 27, 6:43pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

A real PATRIOT! MANUFACTURER! would have taken out life insurance policies on the 15,000 workers and blown the factories up.

FAIL!
43   MisterLefty   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 27, 6:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Booger says
MisterLefty says
Why does the front have to be taller than the side?


EU frontal impact standards have ruined car styling.

http://www.autonews.com/article/20120423/OEM03/304239967/european-safety-styled-cars-due-in-u.s.

The 2013 Chevrolet Malibu, shown, and 2012 Mercedes CLS have high hood lines and low bumpers to ease a blow to a pedestrian's head and legs.



Yes, but

44   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 27, 6:53pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The real styling crime is the ridiculously large rims. Why did the manufactures take styling cues from ghetto drivers and emulate wheels typically found on a pimped out 89 Caprice? Big wheels even on pick up trucks. Those oversize rims make for a harsher ride.
45   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 27, 6:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
Trump wants GM to keep the plants open and keep manufacturing Cruze and Impala's that no one wants.

Actually, Trump said to use those plants to build cars people actually want. GM is going to do similar anyway, except by closing deadwood and expanding plants pumping out the desired vehicles. Since other plants will be expanding, many laid off workers who do not mind moving can be re-hired.


I agree. It's just a business strategy to focus on making cars that are in demand and profitable, in plants that are the most efficient. However, the change could take some time and some workers will be permanently laid off. Trump still does not want those plants closed.
My message to Trump.....Don't micro manage American businesses, especially when you don't know shit about them. Just back off, and let corporations make decisions that are in their best interests. That's capitalism, and that's what made America great. Stick with the macros where you excel, like tax cuts, trade negotiation, and foreign policy that deals with rotten regimes.
46   Booger   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 27, 7:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MisterLefty says
Booger says
MisterLefty says
Why does the front have to be taller than the side?


EU frontal impact standards have ruined car styling.

http://www.autonews.com/article/20120423/OEM03/304239967/european-safety-styled-cars-due-in-u.s.

The 2013 Chevrolet Malibu, shown, and 2012 Mercedes CLS have high hood lines and low bumpers to ease a blow to a pedestrian's head and legs.



Yes, but



Yeah, but because of EU standards, you won't be seeing this again:




Not showing up on my phone, but pictures are of cars with low front ends, like a RX7, or Knight Rider Trans Am.
47   MisterLefty   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 27, 7:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Booger says
Yeah, but because of EU standards, you won't be seeing this again:
I think is more than EU frontal impact standards. That 1993 Escort had a hood line higher than belt line, and the resulting horrid notch. The 2019 A6 above looks fine. I think it may be untalented designers.
48   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 27, 7:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MisterLefty says
Booger says
Yeah, but because of EU standards, you won't be seeing this again:
I think is more than EU frontal impact standards. That 1993 Escort had a hood line higher than belt line, and the resulting horrid notch. The 2019 A6 above looks fine. I think it may be untalented designers.


American, German, and British designs are the best. Asian designers have no creativity or talent, which is why they get their designs from us.
49   MisterLefty   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 28, 4:49am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Here is my theory on why GM makes such ugly cars, taking into account the new EU rules.

Design engineer: "Hey, we're going to have to do do some major redesigns to make cars that are compatible with these new pedestrian collision regulations."

Management: " That will cost too much. Just raise the hood line."

Design engineer: "But having a hood line taller than the rest of the car looks terrible."

Management: "Just raise the hood line."

Design engineer: "But looks are important. A lot of consumers won't buy ugly cars."

Management: "Fuck 'em. Just raise the hood line."
50   Booger   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 28, 5:44am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MisterLefty says
Here is my theory on why GM makes such ugly cars, taking into account the new EU rules.


It's not just GM, it's everybody.
51   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 28, 5:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
American, German, and British designs are the best.

Italian are the best by far, I think.
52   ThreeBays   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 28, 9:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
Compact cars in general aren’t selling unless they are hybrids or made in Japan. I believe Ford stopped production of their car lines.


Those Toyotas and Hondas that sell are made in Kentucky and Ohio.
53   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 28, 9:31am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

President Trump: "The reason that the small truck business in the U.S. is such a go to favorite is that, for many years, Tariffs of 25% have been put on small trucks coming into our country. It is called the “chicken tax.” If we did that with cars coming in, many more cars would be built here....."Trump Tweet
54   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 28, 9:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I'm not convinced that EU impact standards would allow you to sell this car:
55   Nobody   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 28, 10:20am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

In a mean time, Toyota and Mazda are building factories in US. Have you heard them laying off people?
56   OccasionalCortex   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 28, 2:49pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Nobody says
In a mean time, Toyota and Mazda are building factories in US. Have you heard them laying off people?


Yeah. In no-union Southern states where starting pay is $19/hr vs the unionized productivity-sucking shops of GM's where they pay at least $35/hour. But the unions won't let GM (or Ford or Chrysler) open factories in non-union states (they negotiate that restriction in their labor contracts).
58   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 28, 3:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Thank goodness for the Trump tax cuts! Otherwise, GM would have laid off 25k employees!
59   MisterLefty   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 28, 4:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Booger says
It's not just GM, it's everybody.
Is it really? Did the Audi A4 or A6 suffer horrible design problems during the same period?

"Now that the roof is higher, the beltline (the base of the side windows) has to be lifted to keep the car from looking bubbleheaded." https://www.caranddriver.com/features/taking-the-hit-how-pedestrian-protection-regs-make-cars-fatter-feature

Unless you are too lazy to do so and think consumers want bubble headed looking cars, as GM apparently believes.

Look at the 2018 Malibu. Looks much better than 2013 Malibu which looks like two different cars put together sloppily. Even though the hood line is still higher than the belt line. Was GM too late to adapt? Did they think it was better to foist ugly cars upon the market? Why didn't Audi have the same problems with their sedans? Why is Cadillac still making ugly bubble headed SUV's? Audi isn't. And I am not promoting Audi's but if they could do it why not GM?
60   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 28, 5:03pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MegaForce says
Nobody says
In a mean time, Toyota and Mazda are building factories in US. Have you heard them laying off people?


Yeah. In no-union Southern states where starting pay is $19/hr vs the unionized productivity-sucking shops of GM's where they pay at least $35/hour. But the unions won't let GM (or Ford or Chrysler) open factories in non-union states (they negotiate that restriction in their labor contracts).


There you go. Paying twice as much, and probably a lot more in benefits will make GM competitive?
Living wage Living wage We deserve a fucking Living wage. You morons, try a living wage with just unemployment benefits, because that's all you will get if the company goes broke. As a taxpayer, I don't want to keep supporting GM because my money really goes to the overpaid union workers. No one deserves more wages than the market rate, and if that's not enough, fuck you. You greedy union thugs don't pay me 100% more than what the market pays me for my services, so why should I have to pay for yours? Fuck you and have a nice fucking time at the unemployment line.
61   P N Dr Lo R   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 28, 7:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MisterLefty says
the beltline (the base of the side windows) has to be lifted to keep the car from looking bubbleheaded
Makes you feel like you're in a '75 Ford Torino, sitting down in a hole. I heard my boss complain about that one day and when I had an opportunity to drive the company Torino out to DFW to pick something up, I knew what he was talking about. He mentioned how much more he liked the square bodied Chevies a few years later. My favorite design of the mid-60's--weighed just over 4,200 lbs. but had a 360 HP 440 for in its first year. A decade later, they were 1,000 lbs. heavier and six seconds slower with the same engine:

https://americancars-for-sale.com/12406/1966-chrysler-new-yorker
62   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Nov 28, 8:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says
"According to a Twitter message from the Washington Post, the motor company is set to fire 15 percent of its salaried workers, as well as to end production at five plants in the U.S. and in Canada."

How's that MAGA working, future unemployed Trumpies?
How many of your jobs will Trump send out of America?
How many Republicans lost jobs with Carrier?

In summary, automobile body style trends are deeply disturbing.
63   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (36)   2018 Nov 28, 10:45pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

AMERICA! demands self-driving electric Studebakers with zero-to-150 mph in 2 seconds acceleration, gun mounts for M134 and genetically modified chicks with no gag reflex!
64   Herdingcats   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 5, 7:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trump lies
65   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 5, 7:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
AMERICA! demands self-driving electric Studebakers with zero-to-150 mph in 2 seconds acceleration, gun mounts for M134 and genetically modified chicks with no gag reflex!


Gosh, how did you know what I wanted?
66   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 5, 7:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Total light vehicle sales has gone up over the last two years, just not those GM models. In fact, "cars" themselves seem to be going out of favor compared to SUVs and light trucks. The top seller in the near future may be some form of electric F-150.
67   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 5, 8:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
AMERICA! demands self-driving electric Studebakers with zero-to-150 mph in 2 seconds acceleration, gun mounts for M134 and genetically modified chicks with no gag reflex!


But maybe settle for an old Plymouth Belvedere with a "slant 6" and an "auto-suck" plugged into the cigarette lighter socket. Zip gun in the glove box.
68   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 5, 8:01am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
Total light vehicle sales has gone up over the last two years, just not those GM models. In fact, "cars" themselves seem to be going out of favor compared to SUVs and light trucks. The top seller in the near future may be some form of electric F-150.


Americans love gas guzzlers. All the more reason to go electric. When that happens I won't be surprised to see people driving electric tanks down the freeways.
69   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 8:40am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Americans love gas guzzlers. All the more reason to go electric. When that happens I won't be surprised to see people driving electric tanks down the freeways.


I'm seriously thinking about leasing a Chevy Bolt at the end of the month when my lease is up on my current car.

If money was no issue, I'd get a Tesla in a heartbeat. But the Chevy Bolt is a nice compromise with great performance (200HP and 266lf of torque). I test drove it last week and it is super quick and FUN to drive. I have a 50 mile roundtrip commute and a garage at my house where I can charge it every night. My wife's minivan is used for roadtrips and hauling more people an stuff around.

I get a car allowance for work and am not supposed to keep cars beyond 5 years or 70,000 miles so I lease. When you factor in the gas savings my lease is going to be around $260/month. I am not driving an EV for environmental reasons, but rather it is more fun and quick and cheaper to drive than the other cars I am considering.

Thy new Hyundai Kona EV looks really good too, but I don't think it will be out in time when I need to get a new car at the end of the year.

Really exciting times in the EV world. It only makes sense that more and more cars are going to go this route. They are getting easier and cheaper to build and they are just much faster and more efficient than gas motors. I don't think we will need any government subsidies in a few years. They will just be cheaper.

70   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 5, 8:46am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I am not driving an EV for environmental reasons

This means a Hollywood AGW type will sneer at you for being "uncaring" as he blows by you in his 6mpg Lambo.
71   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 5, 8:47am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I don't think we will need any government subsidies in a few years. They will just be cheaper.

Yep, same with solar cells.
72   P N Dr Lo R   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 9:06am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
Chevy Bolt
The first time I saw this name I thought it was a joke on the Volt! Can't think of a more unflattering model description.
73   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 9:47am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

P N Dr Lo R says
The first time I saw this name I thought it was a joke on the Volt! Can't think of a more unflattering model description.


Yeah - the name is about as bad as the "Spark". What will they come up with next? The Jolt? The Sizzle? The Crackle?

I'm not crazy for the styling and the interior of the Bolt, but it is a good sacrifice to have so much horsepower and torque! Perfect for me in SoCal with all of the hills in my neighborhood and freeway driving.
74   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (36)   2018 Dec 5, 10:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

These cars could go further if they threw out all the unnecessary shit like doors.
75   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 10:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
These cars could go further if they threw out all the unnecessary shit like doors.


They (at least the Bolt) already skimped on many items like shitty seats, hard plastic interior and no sun roof to make up for the battery weight.

Definitely a bit of a sacrifice for some of creature comforts for all of the power.
76   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 5, 11:05am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
Strategist says
Americans love gas guzzlers. All the more reason to go electric. When that happens I won't be surprised to see people driving electric tanks down the freeways.


I'm seriously thinking about leasing a Chevy Bolt at the end of the month when my lease is up on my current car.


Don't forget to apply for:
California rebate check of $2,500.
SDGE electric car rebates. Last year was $500.
SDGE much lower electricity rates. TOU5 or something. 9.7cents per KwH for night time charging.
Check this site to compare the right lease deals.
http://ev-vin.blogspot.com
*Warning......Once you get an electric car, you will never go back to gasoline cars.
77   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 11:27am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Don't forget to apply for:


Cool - thanks man. I didn't know about the additional SDG&E rebate.

What are you driving?
78   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 5, 11:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
unnecessary shit like doors.

I'd suggest throwing out brakes. Just put your foot forward and press your boot on concrete.
79   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 5, 11:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
Strategist says
Don't forget to apply for:


Cool - thanks man. I didn't know about the additional SDG&E rebate.

What are you driving?


Chevy Volt 2017 - To be returned around February after SDGE gives the go ahead for the $500 or whatever rebate.
Nissan Leaf 2018
Tesla Model 3 - Arriving around Dec 15.
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I will only be driving 100% electric cars. I will never buy a gasoline car again.
80   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 11:39am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

d6rB says
I'd suggest throwing out brakes. Just put your foot forward and press your boot on concrete.


I heard the brakes last forever since most people use the regeneration to slow the car down.
81   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 5, 11:43am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
I heard the brakes last forever since most people use the regeneration to slow the car down.


They do. The 2011 Prius that my son now uses, had it's first brake job at 115,000 miles.
The benefits of hybrids and e-cars is stunning. The lack of information people have on them is shocking.
82   P N Dr Lo R   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 11:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
horsepower and torque
Especially torque, which is really what people mean when they talk about horsepower.
83   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 5, 11:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yeah - the name is about as bad as the "Spark". What will they come up with next? The Jolt? The Sizzle? The Crackle?

Resistance
84   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 11:53am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

APHAman says
@socal2 go with the Hyundai! We love our Genesis. The Koreans know how to look at what everyone else is doing, and replicate it while also improving on it. Hyundai has come a long way.


I hear you. I'm on my second Hyundai Sonata a love it. I was looking at the Turbo Sonata or GT Volkswagen Passat before my co-worker started lobbying me on going the EV route.

I'd prefer the Hyundai Kona EV if they can get them in the next few months and are willing to extend my current lease. I talked with the Hyundai dealer near my office in San Diego yesterday and he said no one knows when they will get them and expects most of the LA and OC dealers will get them before they get down to San Diego - so it could be 6 months.

Since I am leasing, I figure I can't go wrong with a Bolt and that the technology and price will be that much better in 3 years when I am ready for my next car.
85   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 11:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
The benefits of hybrids and e-cars is stunning. The lack of information people have on them is shocking.


Agreed - I didn't even consider EV's until last week, wrongly assuming that it was Tesla or nothing - and was shocked to see how far they have come in the last couple years with the lower cost models.
86   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 12:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
socal2 says
I heard the brakes last forever since most people use the regeneration to slow the car down.


They do. The 2011 Prius that my son now uses, had it's first brake job at 115,000 miles.
The benefits of hybrids and e-cars is stunning. The lack of information people have on them is shocking.


What do you all pay for brakes out there in CA? 180k miles on a Versa with 2 brake jobs on a 2009 for $600-700 total. I agree electric cars are the future, but saying brake jobs are a significant difference is not helping the argument. You're maybe talking $300 over a decade. That's less than a dime a day. I'd guess most people could find a dime on the ground daily, but it's probably not worth the time and probably not worth pointing out the difference between gas and EV.

I assume in CA or NY or heavily populated East Coast states, the charging network is more robust (but not comparable to gas). Not so much in the midwest. You can also pull into a gas station anywhere without even thinking about it with a gasser, but with a straight EV you have to account for charging stations if you're doing any above average driving. And that's why I won't touch it yet. Need 400 miles a charge roughly and don't want to have to pull out my phone to find a place to get "fuel" which doesn't exist in the gas world. And "fuel" up in 5 minutes or less for 400 miles. Until that happens, widespread adaptation is going to be difficult for awhile. Mind you, it will happen, not saying that it won't. Need more straight EV manufacturers to challenge the market. Tesla is fine, but need more to create legit competition.
87   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 5, 12:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
What do you all pay for brakes out there in CA? 180k miles on a Versa with 2 brake jobs on a 2009 for $600-700 total.


I do my own. With modern disk type brakes it's an easy job.
88   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 5, 12:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says

What do you all pay for brakes out there in CA? 180k miles on a Versa with 2 brake jobs on a 2009 for $600-700 total.

I paid around $200 for a Prius brake job at a dealer.WookieMan says
I assume in CA or NY or heavily populated East Coast states, the charging network is more robust (but not comparable to gas). Not so much in the midwest. You can also pull into a gas station anywhere without even thinking about it with a gasser, but with a straight EV you have to account for charging stations if you're doing any above average driving. And that's why I won't touch it yet. Need 400 miles a charge roughly and don't want to have to pull out my phone to find a place to get "fuel" which doesn't exist in the gas world. And "fuel" up in 5 minutes or less for 400 miles. Until that happens, widespread adaptation is going to be difficult for awhile. Mind you, it will happen, not saying that it won't. Need more straight EV manufacturers to challenge the market. Tesla is fine, but need more to create legit competition.

I understand your point. In your case a hybrid or a plugin hybrid like the Volt will be the most economical.
Prius Hybrid = 57mpg
Camry Hybrid = 50mpg
Volt = 55 miles on a charge, and then flips over to gas at 42mpg.
89   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 12:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
I agree electric cars are the future, but saying brake jobs are a significant difference is not helping the argument.


It's not just brakes, it is no oil changes ($150/year?). No transmission maintenance or flushes.....just tire rotation I think.

I live on top of a hill and it's hell on my brakes. My wife is worse driving the big heavy Honda Odyssey up and down our hills.

WookieMan says
I assume in CA or NY or heavily populated East Coast states, the charging network is more robust (but not comparable to gas). Not so much in the midwest. You can also pull into a gas station anywhere without even thinking about it with a gasser, but with a straight EV you have to account for charging stations if you're doing any above average driving.


If I had to rely on outside charging networks or needed a car for long road trips, I wouldn't be getting one right now. I just need a commuter for my daily 50 mile roundtrip and tooling around my town on the weekends and can charge it in my garage at night. I can also hook up a charger at the office if I need it.
90   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 12:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Need more straight EV manufacturers to challenge the market. Tesla is fine, but need more to create legit competition.


Agreed. But I was surprised at how many of the big traditional automakers have EV options now.

I understand that it is easier and cheaper to build EV's than traditional combustion engines. The only bottleneck and high cost are the batteries.

I think the next 3-5 years will be pretty exciting as they continue to get the tech down.
91   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 5, 12:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I can also hook up a charger at the office if I need it.

I presume that in northern frost belt states like Minnesota, all those block heater outlets in the parking lots could be used to charge EVs. I am sure someone has built a portable 110v adapter.
92   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 12:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
If I had to rely on outside charging networks or needed a car for long road trips, I wouldn't be getting one right now. I just need a commuter for my daily 50 mile roundtrip and tooling around my town on the weekends and can charge it in my garage at night. I can also hook up a charger at the office if I need it.


I hear ya. It's tough to break the people that "want" a car, yet use public transportation to get to work. Naperville, IL (which I think most have heard of) you can take the train and the small penis dude is still going to want his Ford 150 to haul three 2x4's a year that he doesn't even know how to cut for his gay cat's litter box.

I'm 100% onboard for EV's. Cool with early adaptors. I just think we're literally looking at a recreation of the auto industry like it's creation in the 1900's. It's going to take awhile. My target is 400 miles a charge with 5 minute charging anywhere in the country without thinking about it (except in the mountain west) and you got me buying. Towing is also big for me, but we have one "big" vehicle and one sedan, so we could at least get one EV eventually. It will take time.
93   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (36)   2018 Dec 5, 1:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

d6rB says
I'd suggest throwing out brakes. Just put your foot forward and press your boot on concrete.


Right. Brakes are for ASSHOLES!
94   HEYYOU   ignore (25)   2018 Dec 5, 1:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"After Ford successfully spun its latest "restructuring" as a jobs-neutral, union-endorsed shifting of employees from one factory to another, one analyst at Morgan Stanley is calling "bulls***", writing in a report published Monday that the Detroit automaker could soon announce an even larger round of job cuts than rival GM,"

MAGA Americans to death.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-03/ford-could-cut-25000-jobs-during-planned-restructuring
95   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 5, 1:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Right. Brakes are for ASSHOLES!

Real AMERICANS! who are WINNING! brake by slowing their Maybachs or Teslas by a crowd of peasants!
96   epitaph   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 5:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Raise the tariffs again. If American companies want to play politics with jobs let them fail, and no chapter 11, I'm sure somebody else will see the opportunity they didn't.

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