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WHAT WE BEST BE TALKING ABOUT

By jazz_music following x   2018 Dec 1, 12:06pm 392 views   31 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


On Thursday Elizabeth Warren addressed American University in DC and she focused on exactly what is wrong and needs fixing and hey she didn’t spare Democrats blame for the mess.

Good memorable speech.

https://www.thenation.com/article/elizabeth-warren-american-university-speech/
1   HEYYOU   ignore (21)   2018 Dec 1, 3:56pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hey hypocritical bitch! It's a little late to be speaking out
Surely she never took one dime of tax dollars from Independents.
Two party Socialism will destroy America. How many times has she demanded a balanced budget?
Did she openly raise hell about waste of taxpayers dollars,a 100 times,a 1000?

Wikipedia -
Political party Democratic (1996–present)
Other political
affiliations Republican (before 1996)

When Dumb Democrats open their mouths I'll ram their hypocrisy down their throats.
2   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 1, 4:07pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Calling out bloated military budget in her speech was nice. Hopefully she puts her actions where her words are.
3   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 1, 5:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says

When Dumb Democrats open their mouths I'll ram their hypocrisy down their throats.


Promise?
4   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 1, 8:16pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

What the hell does she know? The problem with liberals is they are out of touch with reality, they are solving stupid retard problems instead of real problems.

We have homelessness, drug abuse, poverty, inflation (cost of living is insane in CA). All of those are very closely tied together through overregulated and overtaxed economy.

But what do "Democrats" do here? Pass bunch of bills for more regulation, and of course a few bills to promote gender identity bullshit for the 0.00001% of the retards in the state.

Fuck!!!
5   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 1, 8:20pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
WHAT WE BEST BE TALKING ABOUT


Some times it's best some people talk about nothing.
6   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Dec 1, 8:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
jazz_music says
WHAT WE BEST BE TALKING ABOUT


Some times it's best some people talk about nothing.

Speaking of that, you were placed on ignore.

What happened?
7   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 1, 8:44pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
jazz_music says
WHAT WE BEST BE TALKING ABOUT


Some times it's best some people talk about nothing.

Speaking of that, you placed on ignore.

What happened?
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I think you screwed up.
8   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 1, 8:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
I think you screwed up.


OK, I'll tell the truth. I bribed Patrick.
9   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 1, 9:05pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Here is another truth........If you block those who disagree with you, why even bother to debate? Preaching to the choir achieves nothing. Makes no sense at all regardless of which side you are on.
It's like a Muslim fanatic trying to preach to another Muslim fanatic, like Osama Bin Laden.
10   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 2, 10:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

why not just post the relevant points instead of chucking an ad ladled video at us?
I ain't watching specifically to deny clicks to the greedy bastards...

jazz_music says
On Thursday Elizabeth Warren addressed American University in DC and she focused on exactly what is wrong and needs fixing and hey she didn’t spare Democrats blame for the mess.
11   P N Dr Lo R   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 2, 11:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

d6rB says
military
The first order of government.
12   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 2, 12:10pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

P N Dr Lo R says
d6rB says
military
The first order of government.


Yes.

And the first order of the military is to defend our borders.
13   Sunnyvale94087   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 2, 12:35pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
And the first order of the military is to defend our borders.


In the 2012 republican primaries Ron Paul had a great line that the USA spends too much on defending the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan and should instead worry about defending the USA borders. As a libertarian, though, he'd probably be more for open borders; but at least they would be able to screen people coming in and weed out the criminals, diseased, and those with no apparent means of supporting themselves without government assistance.
14   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Dec 2, 12:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TBlueSardine says
why not just post the relevant points instead of chucking an ad ladled video at us?

You could read the article, that’s what I did. The video doesn’t interest me.

Another measure against advertisers is to use the reader view mode on your browser if you have one.
15   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Dec 2, 1:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Here’s commentary on one of the beautiful points she makes early on in the speech.
Warren is proposing to break the grip of billionaire campaign donors and corporate interests on American policy-making. “We need to refocus our international economic policies so that they benefit all Americans, not just wealthy elites,” the senator argued. “At the same time, we must refocus our security policies by reining in unsustainable and ill-advised military commitments

In our donor-driven government the military has been coopted to serve the corporate interests instead of national security. This is a horrible and deadly situation for not only us but the entire world.

When I said donor-driven, I mean none of what we want matters at all unless it happens to coincide with what the wealthy donors want. So we all effectively live in an occupied country.
16   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 2, 1:18pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Here’s commentary on one of the beautiful points she makes early on in the speech.
Warren is proposing to break the grip of billionaire campaign donors and corporate interests on American policy-making. “We need to refocus our international economic policies so that they benefit all Americans, not just wealthy elites,” the senator argued. “At the same time, we must refocus our security policies by reining in unsustainable and ill-advised military commitments

In our donor-driven government the military has been coopted to serve the corporate interests instead of national security. This is a horrible and deadly situation for not only us but the entire world.

When I said donor-driven, I mean none of what we want matters at all unless it happens to coincide with what the wealthy donors want. So we all effectively live in an occupied country.


What is it that we want that our military isn't doing?
17   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 2, 3:28pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayneIndiana says
What is it that we want that our military isn't doing?


Surrender. As per liberals.
18   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Dec 2, 4:28pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

We need to rein in ill-advised and unsustainable military commitments. The cost of which is real on many different levels even though, thanks to propaganda presenting a steady parade of distractions, our 17 year military actions in Afghanistan isn’t even an issue for elections.

That’s just an example why the corporate occupation of America is a truly horrific situation.
19   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (4)   2018 Dec 2, 4:29pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
P N Dr Lo R says
d6rB says
military
The first order of government.


Yes.

And the first order of the military is to defend our borders.


Hahahaha!

I got multiple dislikes sometime back when I said the governments main obligation is the protection of its residents, visitors, and their property.

It gave me insight as to how looney some posters and readers on pat.net are. Its literally an invalid point to not believe that government's primary function is the physical protection of the people, property, and land it rules over. I find it funny that wikipedias entries on government and civilization contain literally NO reference to this point.

Simply based on this one point, its clear that communists, anarchists, and others of their ilk can only influence others with propaganda that doesn't disclose all pertinent facts.
20   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (4)   2018 Dec 2, 4:31pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
We need to rein in ill-advised and unsustainable military commitments. The cost of which is real on many different levels even though, thanks to propaganda presenting a steady parade of distractions, our 17 year military actions in Afghanistan isn’t even an issue for elections.

That’s just an example why the corporate occupation of America is a truly horrific situation.


You will find a lot of people that agree with you...at least until you blabbered on about an undefinable "corporate occupation".

The problem at this point is if we leave, Afghanistan becomes a hotbed for terrorist activity. US intervention is literally the only thing keeping the entire country from genocide.

And BTW, Afghanistan is a complete shithole. One of the many countries President Trump is correct about.
21   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Dec 2, 4:32pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Some great men including General McArthur and president Eisenhower have warned us all about this national peril which has ensnared us nonetheless.
22   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 2, 4:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
That’s just an example why the corporate occupation of America is a truly horrific situation.


You will find a lot of people that agree with you...at least until you blabbered on about an undefinable "corporate occupation".


Millions of fools still think communism works, and we should not have profit seeking corporations. It's the profit seeking corporations with their new products and inventions that make our standard of living better. They also pay a lot of taxes that feed able bodied losers, who would have rotted away in the old days.
Governments screw up bigly because they have no problem hiring losers who can't do shit.
23   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 2, 4:56pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

By the way did you know:
Cuba invented the iPhone.
N Korea invented the internet.
The Soviets invented the PC.
The USA invented sliced bread.
24   HappyGilmore   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 2, 5:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

And who exactly is pining for Communism? Names?
25   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Dec 2, 5:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
It gave me insight as to how looney some posters and readers on pat.net are. Its literally an invalid point to not believe that government's primary function is the physical protection of the people, property, and land it rules over. I find it funny that wikipedias entries on government and civilization contain literally NO reference to this point.


Amazing the state of Education. We have reports of Vikings and Germanic and Celtic tribes discussing just this in Dark Age accounts. It's the primary focus of secular histories of the day, establishing order, boundaries, and providing the King's Court (and if necessary Knights) to settle violent feuds. Greeks, Chinese, Indian Philosophers all noticed the same Goddamn thing. It's even part of the OT when the Israelites beg God for a King because things are all over the place.

"We really need a king to provide internal justice and lead and organize our defense against others. We can't do with petty nobles fighting each other all the time. It's chaos".
26   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Dec 2, 5:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Blabbered on about an undefinable corporate occupation?

You have a lot to learn.

When both the government and the media have fallen under control of few hands so they can extract wealth until the host collapses, that is an occupying force.

The government’s practice of responding only to lobbyists it just part of the picture.

The powerful foresee and prepare for the coming collapse of the debt bubble.

They created it. It’s up to the original bankers of Europe as to when the debt will be used to reshape global politics and how that affects you, but it’s guaranteed you won’t like it.
27   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 2, 7:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

"We really need a king to provide internal justice and lead and organize our defense against others. We can't do with petty nobles fighting each other all the time. It's chaos".


Hey, I think I would make an awesome King. Islam would cease to be a threat in no time and would be muzzled. As would Dictators, Kings (besides me) Commies, and whatever other cult emerges.
All I would demand as a King are 100 of the most beautiful women on earth.
28   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Dec 2, 8:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Military isn’t the only focus of her criticism:
Policymakers promised that open markets would lead to open societies. Wow. Did Washington get that one wrong. Efforts to bring capitalism to the global stage unwittingly helped create the conditions for anti-democratic countries to rise up and lash out. Russia has become belligerent and resurgent. China has weaponized its economy without loosening its domestic political constraints. And over time, in country after country, faith in both capitalism and democracy has eroded.
29   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 2, 8:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Some great men including General McArthur and president Eisenhower have warned us all about this national peril which has ensnared us nonetheless.


We had plenty of warnings in this country, but do people ever fucking listen?
We've been warned about socialism for years, we've seen it collapse and pull down great nations, and yet, and especially in CA it's turning into socialist hellhole with all the crazy leftists wanting to recreate that experiment again. Or more like take from others for themselves, because they lack brains to earn it otherwise.
30   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 2, 8:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
defend our borders.

exactly, and not borders of Saudi Barbaria. Defending American borders would admittedly be much cheaper and we would not have bloat of military spending aka "influence of military industrial complex" (c) Eisenhower
31   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 2, 9:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
The problem at this point is if we leave, Afghanistan becomes a hotbed for terrorist activity. US intervention is literally the only thing keeping the entire country from genocide.

As far as I am aware, Saudi Barbarian citizens have killed several orders of magnitude more Americans on US soil than Afghans, and US is not bombing Saudis.
A solution much simpler and cheaper than occupation of Afghanistan would be to not admit to US citizens of countries that are prone to terrorism.
Furthermore, assuming that conservatives and libertarians want to balance US finances, military budget has to be cut - defunding PBS or even food stamps will not magically balance the budget.

I liked Rand Paul's stance on this: "The Department of Defense currently takes up almost 56 percent of all discretionary federal spending, and accounts for nearly 65 percent of the increase in annual discretionary spending levels since 2001. Much of this increase, of course, is attributable to direct war costs, but nearly 37 percent of discretionary spending growth falls under the ‘base’ or ‘peacetime’ military budget. Applying the adage that it is necessary to ‘go where the money is’ requires that rigorous scrutiny be applied to military spending. We believe that such an analysis will show that substantial spending cuts can be made without threatening our national security, without cutting essential funds for fighting terrorism, and without shirking our obligations as a nation to our brave troops currently in the field, our veterans, and our military retirees."

If Ms. Warren agrees with this and works to reign in unnecessary military spending, more power to her. If she, like most politicians, is just lying to get elected, then we we will see that in her votes.




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