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Trolls at pat.net?

By Herdingcats following x   2018 Dec 3, 7:50am 428 views   29 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Tactical Trolls

Tactical trolls take much more care and effort over the creation of their personae. Such trolls are likely to be seen as long term list members, and have the confidence and trust of the bona fide people on the mailing list. They use many of the techniques listed for Playtime Trolls, but in addition:

They engage in off list email dialogues to gain the confidence and trust of influential individuals on the list.
They are friendly and humorous in the posts, to put you at ease with their persona.

They have a well-thought-through story such that the persona seems to be very real. They will give apparently personal and intimate information, particularly in off list emails.

They win trust by giving trust. For example, they may hint at something confidential on-list, but then only reveal the full story to someone off-list. By bringing someone into their confidence, they create a feeling of confidence towards them by the individual's concerned.
In off list emails, they win allies and support for some of their views. Their offlist emails are subtly manipulative.
They 'set up' bona fide members to argue with each other. Any view, no matter how outrageous, can be made to sound rational when put in a certain context. By setting different contexts for different people offlist, they create a setting whereby they can raise a topic on-list, in a seemingly innocent manner, and then watch the two list members argue because they have interpreted the topic/message in very different ways.
In off-list emails, they use techniques borrowed from NLP and Speed-Seduction to make people have a great deal of affection for them. This naturally suppresses any suspicion there might be.

They use gimmicks that win sympathy and bring out the 'nurturing parent' in other list members, which also suppresses any feelings of suspicion. E.g.: being blind, handicapped, an orphan, rejected, bullied etc..
They build up a reasonable knowledge of the topic of the list. This enables them to take part for some time as apparently bona-fide list members.

They use language that is carefully constructed to be subtly invidious. This language is designed to identify two or more separate groups of people, and encourage list members to identify the negative traits of those groups. This creates argument and dissent between list members. Note that subtlety is often their main objective, so this language is difficult to spot.

They don't enter into the argument directly, but facilitate an argument between list members, e.g.: by highlighting points that one list member has made, perhaps in a way that is more confrontational than the original intention.
They sometimes create a fictitious persona supported by a web-site, photographs and apparently personal data.
They may suggest meeting up in real-life, but the meeting doesn't take place.

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Goran please feel free to refute my opinion that the above resembles you.
4   FPBT   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 3, 8:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
The irony.


That's gold, Jerry! Gold!



5   Herdingcats   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 3, 8:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@APHAman

What do you think?
6   Herdingcats   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 3, 8:46am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
@APHAman

What do you think?


Or mayb you have been temporarily silenced.
7   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (4)   2018 Dec 3, 8:48am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Wow you are desperate.
8   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 3, 9:16am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
Or mayb you have been temporarily silenced.


One of only two people I have on ignore. I finally did so after reflecting that after reading hundreds of Afrocrackhead posts, not a single one was enlightening or informative or enriching in any way whatsoever. I decided to declutter a bit and he went out with the rest of the rubbish.
9   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 3, 9:20am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I’m hurt I didn’t get a mention.
10   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 3, 9:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ASSHOLES!
11   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 3, 3:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NuttBoxer says
I’m hurt I didn’t get a mention.

My condolences. Did you cry and retreat to Patnet safe space?
12   willywonka   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 3, 3:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

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13   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Dec 3, 3:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

APHAman says
At this point, what does it matter? Site traffic is way down. There’s rarely any new and interesting topics and discussions relative to the pre-mod Free Speech days.


Exactly!!

We new 12 NEW Cannabis threads started EVERY DAY, to bring this site back to it's greatness, right?
14   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Dec 3, 3:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
Tactical trolls take much more care and effort over the creation of their personae. Such trolls are likely to be seen as long term list members, and have the confidence and trust of the bona fide people on the mailing list. They use many of the techniques listed for Playtime Trolls, but in addition:

They engage in off list email dialogues to gain the confidence and trust of influential individuals on the list.
They are friendly and humorous in the posts, to put you at ease with their persona.


TL;DR: the author of this piece got their ass owned in a debate by a long time list/forum member and is desperately trying to insist they're some kind of super-special stealth troll.
15   HEYYOU   ignore (21)   2018 Dec 3, 5:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ceffer says
ASSHOLES!


I think this is more appropriate, PATNETTERS!

Expert Trolls rule patnet.

It doesn't what Patrick does,there will always be grown ass cry babies.
How immature can mature men get?
16   HEYYOU   ignore (21)   2018 Dec 3, 5:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

APHAman @ 10

I've been thinking about moving on, constantly pointing out Republicans' stupid hypocritical ignorance is getting boring.
17   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 3, 5:45pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I agree Goran is way too partisan to be a good moderator - unless the entire goal is to chase anyone with even remotely balanced opinions and create an echo chamber.
18   TrumpingTits   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 3, 9:02pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Then then are the Triggered Trolls. Those who troll based upon being 'triggered' or 'victims' while what they are really engaging in attacks against others.

Herdingcats & Heraclitusstudent please feel free to refute my opinion that the above resembles you.
19   Herdingcats   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 3, 9:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
the author of this piece got their ass owned in a debate by a long time list/forum member and is desperately trying to insist they're some kind of super-special stealth troll.


Really? I have to dispute that 1st part. ICE agents increased under Obama. Illegal immigrants went down. If points aren't address one isn't truly a winner.

Furthermore Roy Beck's comments didn't contain anything about Democrats, illegal immigrants, or open borders.

Big league sad
20   Herdingcats   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 3, 9:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TrumpingTits says
Then then are the Triggered Trolls. Those who troll based upon being 'triggered' or 'victims'.

Herdingcats & Heraclitusstudent please feel free to refute my opinion that the above resembles you.


Why would I refute that? I'm also honest too. I might exhibit some trollish traits at times. At least I admit it. I don't have to have "my team" come to bail me out. And I'm not going to lie about it, sucks that there are so many dishonest people in this world.

But I also get likes too. I make people laugh with some of my comments. But since the beginning of moderation I've felt I can't be how or who I was before.

Big league sad.

There are many types of trolls

I bring out the Grammer police. I just thank them. I do think it's funny, they don't point out their own team.
21   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Dec 4, 6:18am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
Trolls at pat.net?

There are sockpuppets too.

You can hit the ignore button or just not pay attention to them.
22   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Dec 4, 7:07am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
Oh boo hoo

Whining is allowed. You just can't personally attack other users.

Thats why iwog left. He could no longer belittle and call other users names. It was either that or he finally realized how wrong he was about global warming.
23   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 4, 7:57am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
Herdingcats says
Oh boo hoo

Whining is allowed. You just can't personally attack other users.

Thats why iwog left. He could no longer belittle and call other users names. It was either that or he finally realized how wrong he was about global warming.

lol
24   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Dec 4, 9:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
I'm also honest too.


Why is this being stated in multiple threads?

Houston, we have a problem....

Onvacation says
Herdingcats says
Trolls at pat.net?

There are sockpuppets too.

You can hit the ignore button or just not pay attention to them.


But then he can't whine about them.. takes away all the fun.
26   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Dec 4, 9:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
Really? I have to dispute that 1st part. ICE agents increased under Obama. Illegal immigrants went down. If points aren't address one isn't truly a winner.


Immigrants went down because of the financial crisis.

But I didn't mean THIS site. I meant the author of the piece got their ass handed to them on some forum/list sometime, and to defend their ego, invented this category of super troll, who really just sounds like any old long term forum/list member who simply made their argument look like shit.
27   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 4, 10:54am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says
I've been thinking about moving on, constantly pointing out Republicans' stupid hypocritical ignorance is getting boring.


You can always switch to making fun of the other side. Doesn't matter which side you pick, there's material to last a lifetime.
28   Herdingcats   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 4, 5:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Immigrants went down because of the financial crisis.
????

I'm sure if I look the amount of immigrants did not go down. Many people want to immigrate.

The amount of illegals went down and this was with sanctuary cities! So if the amount of illegals went down it would follow that sanctuary Cities aren't on the minds of people becoming illegal.

Actually making money is more of an incentive to become illegal in this country. So Republicans' tax cuts are a bigger incentive for people to become illegal aliens in US than sanctuary Cities.




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