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Apparently Trump/Russia is too complicated for trumpcucks so here it is in 250 words.

By Herdingcats following x   2018 Dec 5, 7:46am 534 views   37 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


It's the story that has dominated Donald Trump's presidency, but too complicated for Trumpcucks to understand.

In summary
US intelligence agencies believe Russia tried to sway the election in favour of Mr Trump and a special counsel is looking into whether anyone from his campaign colluded in the effort.

Any evidence?
Senior members of Mr Trump's team met Russian officials. Several of these meetings were not initially disclosed.

What meetings?
Ex-National Security Adviser Michael Flynn lied to the FBI about meeting the Russian ambassador to the US before Mr Trump took office.

The president's son, Donald Jr, met a Russian lawyer who said she had "dirt" on Hillary Clinton during the campaign, and adviser George Papadopoulos has admitted lying to the FBI about meetings with alleged go-betweens for Russia.

Who else is involved?
Two other key figures face jail terms arising from the special counsel investigation.

Mr Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen has admitted lying to Congress about his ex-boss's business dealings in Russia.

And former campaign chairman Paul Manafort lied to the FBI about his work in Ukraine, according to special counsel Robert Mueller, with whom he had been co-operating. Manafort was already convicted of bank fraud.

And the president?
Since he fired the man leading one of the investigations, ex-FBI Director James Comey, there are questions whether the president has obstructed justice.

Jeff Sessions was also essentially fired as attorney general, fuelling fears that the Russia inquiry could be undermined.

The president has repeatedly decried it as a "witch-hunt".
1   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 7:53am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NONE of those meetings or discussions with Russians have had anything to do with stealing the election. The only one that had any bearing on the election at all was the scammy lawyer who tricked Trump Jr. into meeting under false pretenses. However that was PROVEN to include no “collusion” or otherwise illegal activity. The rest of it is just happenstance and activity that happened long before the election.

That is why nobody believes the Russian Collusion fairy tale any more. Nobody except for Leftcucks. It’s sad when people persist in their fantasies against all facts and evidence to the contrary. Just check yourself into the mental health clinic and get that TDS checked out!
2   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2018 Dec 5, 7:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Oh NO a Presidential Candidate was meeting with people and winning and Stuff.

I want those 12 Russian trolls on my payroll if I ever run for president. They brought down the whole Liberal institution.
I say erect a fucking bronze statue of everyone of them. Replace that little Troll Cunt that is facing the Bronze Bull on Wallstreet, with them.

How's that Dickloads?

Please let that be Muellers conclusion, Liberals will be the fucking laughing stock for the next 100 years. They will be the new Pollock Joke.

Which btw they are the only smart ones in Europe. They told the EU Fags and Cunts to go fuck themselves, they aren't taking in Headchoppers to replace their culture.
As a result they are the most stable country in Europe.

Liberals are Shit at everything! Everyone knows it, that's why conservatives win runoff elections.
3   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Dec 5, 8:20am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
Senior members of Mr Trump's team met Russian officials. Several of these meetings were not initially disclosed.


Is that illegal? Members of Mr. Obama's team met international officials also. All transition teams do.

Herdingcats says
Ex-National Security Adviser Michael Flynn lied to the FBI about meeting the Russian ambassador to the US before Mr Trump took office.


Led by Strzok, a disgraced former Iranian-born FBI Official whose anti-Trump partisanship while on the taxpayer clock using taxpayer equipment was legendary, and whose participation of both Hillary e-mail "non-investigations" was highly suspect. Mueller is balking at giving Flynn prison time because it's a nothing burger and he's worried about disgracing himself, but it's the only solid thing he's got after 2 years of investigation.

Herdingcats says
The president's son, Donald Jr, met a Russian lawyer who said she had "dirt" on Hillary Clinton during the campaign, and adviser George Papadopoulos has admitted lying to the FBI about meetings with alleged go-betweens for Russia.


For 5 minutes. On the other hand, the Hillary camp hired lawyers who also met with foreigners about finding dirt on Trump, and ended up hiring a former British spy and paying him huge sums from campaign funds to produce the Dodgy Dossier.



Herdingcats says
And former campaign chairman Paul Manafort lied to the FBI about his work in Ukraine, according to special counsel Robert Mueller, with whom he had been co-operating. Manafort was already convicted of bank fraud.


All of which happened years before Trump announced his candidacy and in which Podesta also played a role and indeed subcontracted pro-Russian Ukrainian work to Manafort (a part the media likes to pass over). The John Podesta who was a key insider to Hillary's Campaign and was Chief of Staff to the Obama transition team.

Herdingcats says
Jeff Sessions was also essentially fired as attorney general, fuelling fears that the Russia inquiry could be undermined.


The President can fire the AG at his pleasure and without cause. No crime here.
4   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Dec 5, 8:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Great Piece from Vanity Fair explaining why Mueller ain't got nuthin' but maybe some smears on Trump's Advisors.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12/a-trump-haters-guide-to-mueller-skepticism
5   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 5, 8:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Great Piece from Vanity Fair explaining why Mueller ain't got nuthin' but maybe some smears on Trump's Advisors.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12/a-trump-haters-guide-to-mueller-skepticism


Great article. Amazingly candid about this subject despite being a left leaning rag.
6   Herdingcats   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 9:15am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Great Piece from Vanity Fair explaining why Mueller ain't got nuthin' but maybe some smears on Trump's Advisors.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12/a-trump-haters-guide-to-mueller-skepticism


Great article. Amazingly candid about this subject despite being a left leaning rag.


Asking a Democrat if Mueller investigation was worth it is like asking Republicans if Benghazi investigation was worth it.
7   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 9:20am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
Asking a Democrat if Mueller investigation was worth it is like asking Republicans if Benghazi investigation was worth it


So you admit that Mueller’s investigation is just a purely political game, designed to score points rather than either uncover truth or jail criminals?
8   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 5, 10:01am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Really, who DOESN'T have dirt in IHhilary?
9   theoakman   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 10:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"And former campaign chairman Paul Manafort lied to the FBI about his work in Ukraine, according to special counsel Robert Mueller, with whom he had been co-operating. Manafort was already convicted of bank fraud."

I'm sorry, is the Ukraine Russia?
10   Herdingcats   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 10:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

theoakman says
I'm sorry, is the Ukraine Russia?


No but, apparently lying to the FBI is a crime.
11   Herdingcats   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 10:57am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
So you admit that Mueller’s investigation is just a purely political game, designed to score points rather than either uncover truth or jail criminals?


Funny, never heard a republican admit to that.
12   theoakman   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 11:18am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

No doubt, but what does lying about a meeting in Ukraine have to do with Russia? Last time I checked, those two countries are at odds with each other.
13   theoakman   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 11:51am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It's actually notcomplicated. Russian Facebook boots don't control.what people do at the voting booth. As far as WikiLeaks goes, the truth was exposed. I appreciate the transparency WikiLeaks gave the voters. If Russia were actually able to meaningfully influence elections, I'm sure the DNC would love to work with them.
16   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 12:45pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

theoakman says
It's actually notcomplicated. Russian Facebook boots don't control.what people do at the voting booth


By that standard as long as people are not forcing people "what they do inside the booth", the following should not be illegal

* Spend or donate as much money on a campaign
* Stop people from going to the booth
* Dupe people into believing that they have voted,
* Collect their absentee ballots and change them

My point is there are election laws and a foreign power should not be blatantly interfering in our election otherwise you will see Chinese and Indians and Saudis do the same or maybe even more and at that point we will all be bitches of a foreign country
17   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 1:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
No but, apparently lying to the FBI is a crime.


But lying FOR the FBI is mandatory! At least it is if you've got a special counsel on your ass. Flynn lied for the FBI about lying to the FBI, because Mueller wanted him to lie about Trump to the FBI. If that isn’t confusing enough, you’re just not paying attention!

Mueller is done. He’s found nothing significant. Now he’s just thrashing around trying to get people to lie for him to corroborate a narrative. Threatening people with prosecution if they don’t lie isn’t how we find the truth.
He needs to be fired.
18   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 1:26pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
My point is there are election laws and a foreign power should not be blatantly interfering in our election otherwise you will see Chinese and Indians and Saudis do the same


That’s interesting. Did you know that the Saudis donated $25 million to Hillary’s Campaign? If that’s not influencing an election, I really don’t know what would qualify.
19   HEYYOU   ignore (23)   2018 Dec 5, 1:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Waiting to see what happens in NC. The vote hasn't been certified.
Are Russians in charge of the state?
20   WineHorror1   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 1:57pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Don't be a fool. Google and the media had, by far, more influence on anything and everything than the Russians.

Also, tell me why we attack virtually defenseless countries but won't attack a nation that determines the outcome of our elections.
21   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 2:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Threatening people with prosecution if they don’t lie isn’t how we find the truth.


Did Trumpster tell you that or Russians or the Q-Anon or Fox news. Mueller is going to provide proof and that will not be just what Flynn says to him but also corroborates through his earlier e-mails or other means.

Quigley says
He needs to be fired.


Good luck with that
22   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 2:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
That’s interesting. Did you know that the Saudis donated $25 million to Hillary’s Campaign? If that’s not influencing an election, I really don’t know what would qualify.


As much as I hated that, it was not donated to Hillary. It was for Clinton foundation and that is not illegal. Also, Saudi's were trying to buy influence and were were not trying to interfere in the election
23   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 2:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Did you know that the Saudis donated $25 million to Hillary’s Campaign?


Where are you getting this information? As far as I knew the Saudis donated as much as $10 million to the Clinton FOUNDATION to help finance the construction of the Clinton Library, almost a decade before she ran in 2016. Interestingly, they donated the same to help with the Bush library.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Clinton Foundation isn't the same as the Clinton campaign...
24   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 2:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Democrats stole CA election by cheating. Thats a lot more than any foreign power ever did by buying a few adds on facebook.
25   komputodo   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 2:45pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
Asking a Democrat if Mueller investigation was worth it is like asking:.

A barber if he thinks you need a haircut..
26   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Dec 5, 2:57pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
As much as I hated that, it was not donated to Hillary. It was for Clinton foundation and that is not illegal. Also, Saudi's were trying to buy influence and were were not trying to interfere in the election


Saudi Arabia gave before and while and after she was Secretary of State.
https://philanthropynewsdigest.org/news/arms-sales-ok-d-by-hillary-clinton-s-state-department-raise-questions
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/politics/hillary-clinton-presidential-campaign-charity.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/julian-assange-clinton-foundation-isis-same-money-saudi-arabia-qatar-funding-a7397211.html

Do you think that was because Women vote for Hillary because she's a Woman, and all her pro-Woman stances as Secretary and Senator?

All those women vote for her, because she's a woman.
27   WillPowers   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 3:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says

Funny, never heard a republican admit to that


I was appalled when the Republicans with the Ken Starr investigation went after Clinton for his sex crimes, I was appalled and I'm a Republican. Clinton was guilty of far worse crimes, but apparently Starr couldn't get Clinton on his murderous drug activity.

Will Powers
28   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 3:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayneIndiana says
Democrats stole CA election by cheating.

No proof
29   theoakman   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 5, 6:35pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
theoakman says
It's actually notcomplicated. Russian Facebook boots don't control.what people do at the voting booth


By that standard as long as people are not forcing people "what they do inside the booth", the following should not be illegal

* Spend or donate as much money on a campaign
* Stop people from going to the booth
* Dupe people into believing that they have voted,
* Collect their absentee ballots and change them

My point is there are election laws and a foreign power should not be blatantly interfering in our election otherwise you will see Chinese and Indians and Saudis do the same or maybe even more and at that point we will all be bitches of a foreign country


You are talking about crimes. I'm talking about stupid posts on facebook that no one cares about.
30   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Dec 6, 7:31am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
foreign power should not be blatantly interfering in our election

They don't.

Trump derangement syndrom has some looking for Ruskies in the closet again.
31   komputodo   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 6, 8:02am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Herdingcats says
US intelligence

Isn't that an oxymoron? WMDs, twin towers, kennedy assasination, among others.
32   komputodo   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 6, 8:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
My point is there are election laws and a foreign power should not be blatantly interfering in our election

They can interfere, just not blatantly.
33   P N Dr Lo R   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 6, 8:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WillPowers says
Ken Starr investigation went after Clinton for his sex crimes
He didn't, it was for lying to Congress.
34   rocketjoe79   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 6, 8:32am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trump spent over $100 million on his marketing for his election. Most of that was with social media, and Facebook was the biggest spend. The entire spend by this "russian" team was on the order of $6000. How could they possibly have an impact?
35   WineHorror1   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 6, 8:36am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rocketjoe79 says
Trump spent over $100 million on his marketing for his election. Most of that was with social media, and Facebook was the biggest spend. The entire spend by this "russian" team was on the order of $6000. How could they possibly have an impact?

I think this makes Facebook guilty of espionage.
36   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 6, 8:45am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

rocketjoe79 says
Trump spent over $100 million on his marketing for his election. Most of that was with social media, and Facebook was the biggest spend. The entire spend by this "russian" team was on the order of $6000. How could they possibly have an impact?

Have you not learned yet that ORANGE MAN BAD, ORANGE MAN EVIL, COLLUDES WITH MUH RUSSIANS? What other proof do you need?

He most definitely won the election because Russians spent $50K on Facebook ads, and not because Democrats put up the only person in the Universe who would lose to him!
37   TrumpingTits   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 6, 10:17pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

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