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Another teacher fired for refusing to lie about reality


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2018 Dec 7, 6:03pm   3,069 views  20 comments

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6471579/Teacher-fired-refusing-use-trans-students-pronouns.html

Speaking on his own behalf, Vlaming asked the board to reconsider the 'absurdity' of equating pronoun usage with what he characterized as having no accusation of overtly malicious behavior to discrimination.

'My religious faith dictates that I am to love and respect everyone, whether I agree with them or not. Because we are all made in God's image,' Vlaming said at the hearing, while reading from a prepared opening statement.

'I am also aware of, and agree, with speech limits that are placed on public school teachers, concerning matters of religious faith. I represent the state in my role as a public school teacher and therefore speak with a certain authority. That authority is not to be used to promote any one specific worldview, and I don’t. However, we are here today because a specific worldview is being imposed upon me,' he said.

In a separate comment, Vlaming added, 'I am being punished for what I haven’t said.'

He added that his job was put in peril for him having views held by 'most of the world for most of human history.'

'That is not tolerance. That is coercion,' Vlamin said


Boys are boys, and girls are girls, and the differences are overwhelming, unmistakable, and immutable. This is reality. All of us have exactly two biological parents of opposite gender.

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1   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Dec 7, 6:29pm  

Sexual Reproduction is a Capitalist, Patriarchical, Male Science invention.

Anybody who says otherwise is a bigot.

It's a fact that there is a 3rd Gender required for humans to reproduce, the Furry.
2   curious2   2018 Dec 7, 9:16pm  

Patrick says
All of us have exactly two biological parents of opposite gender.


Gender is a grammatical or social construct (masculine "he", feminine "she", or neuter "it"), although intersex pronouns do also exist, e.g. (s)he, s/he, etc. Biological sex (male, female, non-binary) is a fact of nature, subject to the enormous diversity of life, and intersex persons can have children:

"How Many Sexes Are There?
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For biologically speaking, there are many gradations running from female to male; along that spectrum lie at least five sexes -- perhaps even more.

Medical investigators recognize the concept of the intersexual body. But medicine uses the term "intersex" as a catch-all for three major subgroups with some mixture of male and female characteristics: the so-called true hermaphrodites, whom I call herms, who possess one testis and one ovary (the sperm- and egg- producing vessels, or gonads); male pseudo-hermaphrodites ("merms"), who have testes and some aspects of female genitalia but no ovaries; and female pseudo-hermaphrodites ("ferms"), who have ovaries and some aspects of the male genitalia but lack testes.

It is difficult to estimate the frequency of intersexuality; it's not the sort of information one volunteers on a job application. John Money of Johns Hopkins University, a specialist in the study of congenital sexual-organ defects, suggests that intersexuals may constitute as many as four percent of births.

However, few intersexuals maintain their natural sexuality. Medical advances enable physicians to catch most at birth. Such infants are entered into a program of hormonal and surgical management so that they can slip quietly into society as "normal" heterosexual males or females.
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In some true hermaphrodites, the testis and the ovary grow separately but bilaterally; in others, they grow together within the same organ, forming an ovo-testis. Not infrequently, at least one of the gonads functions well, producing either sperm cells or eggs, as well as functional levels of the sex hormones: androgens or estrogens.

In contrast with true hermaphrodites, pseudo-hermaphrodites possess two gonads of the same kind along with the usual male (XY) or female (XX) chromosomal makeup. But their external genitalia and secondary sex characteristics do not match their chromosomes. Thus, merms have testes and XY chromosomes, yet they also have a vagina and a clitoris, and at puberty they often develop breasts. They do not menstruate, however. Ferms have ovaries, XX chromosomes and sometimes a uterus, but they also have at least partly masculine external genitalia.

No classification scheme could more than suggest the variety of sexual anatomy encountered in clinical practice.
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The most frequent form of true hermaphrodite encountered by the French doctors -- 55 percent -- appeared to have a more masculine physique. In such people the urethra runs either through or near the phallus, which looks more like a penis than a clitoris. Any menstrual blood exits during urination. But in spite of the relatively male appearance of the genitalia, breasts appear at puberty.

Intersexuality itself is old news... The Talmud lists regulations for people of mixed sex.

In Europe, a pattern emerged by the end of the Middle Ages that, in a sense, has lasted to the present day: hermaphrodites were compelled to choose an established gender role and stick with it... Society mandates the control of intersexual bodies because they blur and bridge the great divide; they challenge traditional beliefs about sexual difference. Hermaphrodites have unruly bodies. They do not fall into a binary classification: only a surgical shoehorn can put them there.
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3   curious2   2018 Dec 7, 9:24pm  

Patrick says
All of us have exactly two biological parents of opposite gender.


You keep saying that, like a prayer. You emphasize binary models in which the "exactly two" is an assumption, though not a fact.

"Pregnancy in true hermaphrodites and all male offspring to date."

"Potential autofertility in true hermaphrodites"

Perhaps your "all of us " comment is intended to make sure such people know they are not welcome to read PatNet?

How many genders do you see in the following list of pronouns: "he", "she", "it"?

How many sexes do you see in the following sets of healthy human sex chromosomes: xx, xy, xxy?

Can you see that each list contains more than two? You might read further here:

http://www.isna.org/faq/what_is_intersex
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

At some point, insisting on demonstrably false statements becomes lying. Why lie? I don't understand the motivation of flat earthers, and I am genuinely curious about the motivation behind endlessly repeating "there are only two genders." It makes no sense that a person who cannot count past two would complete sufficient math to become a programmer, so why keep saying "only two" when there are clearly more than two?
4   clambo   2018 Dec 8, 5:39am  

I don't understand the story.

Did the teacher refuse to say "Master" or "Mister" to the kid after he used to be a "Miss"?

Mentioning religion of course has nothing to do with it,the teacher didn't need to bring that into the equation.

Schools are fucked up today, they worry about the few kook kids and losers more than the bright kids.
5   Tenpoundbass   2018 Dec 8, 6:38am  

Gender change is self mutilation it's a mental disorder
6   Onvacation   2018 Dec 8, 7:52am  

curious2 says

At some point, insisting on demonstrably false statements becomes lying.

So do you think there are three genders or does everyone have their own gender? Black and white or many shades of gray?
7   Y   2018 Dec 8, 8:05am  

Machine language programmer.
curious2 says
It makes no sense that a person who cannot count past two would complete sufficient math to become a programmer,
8   marcus   2018 Dec 8, 8:11am  

I agree about there being two genders. And I certainly think it's problematic for children to be making sex change decisions. There is research showing that it's often a phase (or mental illness if you prefer) and that by the age of 19 or twenty, they would change their mind and stick with their original gender.

I'm guessing that probably well over 95% of people would go along with calling the kid "he" or "him" in this situation, regardless of whether they thought the kid had made a wise choice, or whether they approve in general with this trend. I think the teacher screwed up in taking such a strong (passive aggressive) stand. As if his approval (or not) of the kids decision, or his ego should be involved, in whether he says "he" or not ?

But, at the same time, I like the fact that the kids at the school protested the firing. And that should give some of you an idea that there are a lot of very reasonable children out there these days. Maybe more than you think.
9   curious2   2018 Dec 8, 6:22pm  

Onvacation says
So do you think there are three genders or does everyone have their own gender? Black and white or many shades of gray?


See above. For centuries, the English language has had at least three genders: he, she, and it. The word "they" can refer to any combination, including intersex. Some advocate for more than three genders, but insisting on only two is absurd and frankly a lie.
10   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Dec 8, 6:38pm  

curious2 says
Medical investigators recognize the concept of the intersexual body. But medicine uses the term "intersex" as a catch-all for three major subgroups with some mixture of male and female characteristics: the so-called true hermaphrodites, whom I call herms, who possess one testis and one ovary (the sperm- and egg- producing vessels, or gonads); male pseudo-hermaphrodites ("merms"), who have testes and some aspects of female genitalia but no ovaries; and female pseudo-hermaphrodites ("ferms"), who have ovaries and some aspects of the male genitalia but lack testes.


Unmentioned: Very rare in humans and mammals generally...

curious2 says

In contrast with true hermaphrodites, pseudo-hermaphrodites possess two gonads of the same kind along with the usual male (XY) or female (XX) chromosomal makeup. But their external genitalia and secondary sex characteristics do not match their chromosomes. Thus, merms have testes and XY chromosomes, yet they also have a vagina and a clitoris, and at puberty they often develop breasts. They do not menstruate, however. Ferms have ovaries, XX chromosomes and sometimes a uterus, but they also have at least partly masculine external genitalia.


They are usually infertile. So not only are both true and psuedo- hermaphrondites vanishingly rare, they are usually infertile to boot.

curious2 says
In Europe, a pattern emerged by the end of the Middle Ages that, in a sense, has lasted to the present day: hermaphrodites were compelled to choose an established gender role and stick with it... Society mandates the control of intersexual bodies because they blur and bridge the great divide; they challenge traditional beliefs about sexual difference. Hermaphrodites have unruly bodies. They do not fall into a binary classification: only a surgical shoehorn can put them there."


This is where the "Science" diverges into pure SJW talk. Again, there are only two sexes, and then there are intersex genetic syndromes like Psuedo-Hermaphrodites or Kleinfelter's Syndrome.

The genes responsible for most of this are random mutations, not heritable, and because most sufferers (inc. Kleinfelter's) are infertile...

What beneficent pro-survival human evolutionary purpose do random, infertile (and thus non-inheritable esp. in the "wild" and usually even with scientific assistance) genetic disorders serve?

Nor do they necessarily infer confused gender identification. Kleinfelter's sufferers report feeling as male as 'regular' XY males. The propensity to be straight, gay, or confused seems equal for Kleinfelter's as it does for XY individuals, for example.

TL;DR: There are only two sexes, and some intersex genetic disorders, called Disorders of Sexual Development.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorders_of_sex_development

Which is, of course, no excuse to abuse sufferers of genetic syndromes. Nor is it a reason to initiate a regime of hormone treatment before puberty.
11   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Dec 8, 6:52pm  

Hilariously, the have something called the QUIGLEY SCALE for determining sex organs. Thanks, @Quigley



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorders_of_sex_development
12   curious2   2018 Dec 8, 6:59pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
What beneficent pro-survival human evolutionary purpose do random, infertile (and thus non-inheritable esp. in the "wild" and usually even with scientific assistance) genetic disorders serve?


All land animals, including humans, are related to fish via amphibians. In many fish/amphibian species, natural sex change serves evolutionary purposes. Human history is comparatively brief, around 200k years. Humans have a vestigial tail, and other vestigial attributes (e.g. separate fibula and tibia). You can say vestigial attributes don't necessarily serve any obvious purpose right now, but nature tends to conserve features that proved useful in the past, and can bring them back when needed. Mutations are not entirely random: previously successful variations tend to recur more often than pure chance would suggest.
13   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2018 Dec 8, 7:12pm  

curious2 says
Gender is a grammatical or social construct (masculine "he", feminine "she", or neuter "it"), although intersex pronouns do also exist, e.g. (s)he, s/he, etc. Biological sex (male, female, non-binary) is a fact of nature, subject to the enormous diversity of life, and intersex persons can have children:


There is no non-binary. You are either a boy or a girl. Everything else is just mental illness. Gender Disphoria Disorder is for mentally ill. And it is not up to the world to entertain their imagination. I'm not going to pretend they are whatever gender they imagine, and I'm not going to pretend shizophrenic people see reality and rest of us are insane. Fuck that.

This article points to the pure and simple attempt by the left to subjugate freedom. They are being fucking leftist fascists, nazi leftist mother fuckers.

This article was on Fox too:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-teacher-reportedly-fired-for-refusing-to-use-pronoun-for-transgender-student

If anyone wants a simple a clear argument against all this tranny horseshit from the left, watch Ben Shapiro.
14   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Dec 8, 7:14pm  

curious2 says
All land animals, including humans, are related to fish via amphibians. In many fish/amphibian species, natural sex change serves evolutionary purposes. Human history is comparatively brief, around 200k years. Humans have a vestigial tail, and other vestigial attributes (e.g. separate fibula and tibia). You can say vestigial attributes don't necessarily serve any obvious purpose right now, but nature tends to conserve features that proved useful in the past, and can bring them back when needed. Mutations are not entirely random: previously successful variations tend to recur more often than pure chance would suggest.



And if these traits are non-inheritable, random, and often confer infertility to boot, they are unlikely to prove useful.

There is no recorded instance of a true Hermaphrodite being able to both impregnate and be impregnated, even when they were fertile. This is mostly because even True Hermaphrodites have only one set of Sex Hormones and Reproductive Machinery that are functional (either Testes or Ovaries function, but not both).
15   curious2   2018 Dec 8, 7:19pm  

FortWayneIndiana says
Fuck that... They are being fucking leftist fascists, nazi leftist mother fuckers.


Fulminating with insults and profanity makes you sound like marcus, not a rational person at all. Try reading the articles linked above, including this excerpt, and address the anatomical variations observed and described.

FortWayneIndiana says
Everything else is just mental illness.


There is definitely something wrong with people who deny the existence of obvious facts including anatomical variation and plain language. For example, the English language has had at least three genders for hundreds of years. Insisting on only two, and repeating that like a prayer, seems probably a manifestation of cognitive dissonance, but it could be mental illness.
16   HeadSet   2018 Dec 8, 7:56pm  

For centuries, the English language has had at least three genders: he, she, and it.

The "it" refers to items that do not have a sex, or something like an animal that the sex is not determinable at the time the word is written. In the recent past, common usage was for only humans to be referred to as "he" or "she", and all other animals called "it," regardless of sex. The word "it" is not a catchall for hermaphrodites or other people whose sexuality failed to completely form. Hermaphrodites are not a new sex, just like Albinos are not a new race, and a blind person is not a new species.
17   curious2   2018 Dec 8, 8:05pm  

HeadSet says
In the recent past, common usage was for only humans to be referred to as "he" or "she", and all other animals called "it," regardless of sex. The word "it" is not a catchall for hermaphrodites or other people whose sexuality failed to completely form.


Common English usage in the recent past included referring to ships and even states as "she". The existence of "it" and "they" proves that the English language has long had more than two genders. The neutral word "one" can refer to anyone or anything, of any sex.

In Scandinavian languages, the word for child is a neuter noun. In Spanish, the word for color is a masculine noun, but in French, the word for color is feminine.
18   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2018 Dec 8, 8:12pm  

curious2 says
There is definitely something wrong with people who deny the existence of obvious facts


Those people are called leftists. Glad we both agree there is something very wrong with them.
They want everyone to cater to their insane dilusions, fucking fascists.

curious2 says
The neutral word "one" can refer to anyone or anything, of any sex.


One refers when gender is unknown (male or female). Or not human. It doesn't change binary system.
19   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2018 Dec 8, 11:29pm  

FortWayneIndiana says

There is definitely something wrong with people who deny the existence of obvious facts including anatomical variation and plain language. For example, the English language has had at least three genders for hundreds of years. Insisting on only two, and repeating that like a prayer, seems probably a manifestation of cognitive dissonance, but it could be mental illness.


Curious sort of has a point here, and thats that there are biological exceptions. And as Two Scoops points out, its exceedingly rare.

The question becomes, do we as a society do anything about it? Does the government?

And we what currently have is the leftist pure stupidity not arguing that we should do something to acknowledge these biological flaws, which generally society at large doesn't even know that an individual with said flaws even has said flaws, but rather argues that in people with a mental illness who THINK they are the opposite sex, society should be compelled by the government to address said mentally ill as the mentally ill individuals gender of choice.

The answer is that nothing needs to be done and nothing SHOULD be done. But you have the idiot SJW's screaming and the Democrats pandering.

So there you go.
20   mell   2018 Dec 9, 10:25am  

Agreed. To somebody who provenly falls into one of those rare biological categories I'm sure nobody would object calling them by their preferred pronoun (even if made up) if it makes them happy. The rest of male or females who demand that special treatment are either assholes or delusional and def should not be pandered to. Similar to if you have a real disability nobody objects you taking that handicapped spot but if you don't you're an ass and subject to fines when caught. That being said if someone undergoes a full biological sex change there should be no problem using the other gender pronoun.

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