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France hasn’t surpassed 2% growth for decades

By Goran_K following x   2018 Dec 8, 1:37pm 1,045 views   20 comments   watch   nsfw   quote     share    


Decades of leftism, big government, high taxes.

Why isn’t this spurring economic growth like Democrats claim it should?

1   Goran_K   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 8, 1:38pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Any leftist care to explain?
2   Goran_K   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 8, 2:15pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

US by comparison

3   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 8, 2:35pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Socialist economics only graphs taxation increase and creation of useless, tax sucking bureaucracies. Actual economic charts just aren't fair.
4   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 8, 2:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
US by comparison

3/4 of that chart is under a "leftist" president
5   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 8, 3:51pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says


They did achieve below 0 growth lots of times. I'm impressed.
They also seem to average a growth rate of half a percent. Congratulations to the French.
6   Goran_K   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 8, 3:59pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Evan F. says
Goran_K says
US by comparison

3/4 of that chart is under a "leftist" president


Yes the violotility was high during that period including four periods of economic contraction. Lots of uncertainty and not to mention ZIRP.

As you notice the last 2 years have been smoothly up sans ZIRP.

Leftists economic policies in France have been devastating.
7   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (3)   2018 Dec 8, 4:02pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Half the country still carries white flags in case Germany attacks again.
8   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 8, 4:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayneIndiana says
Half the country still carries white flags in case Germany attacks again.


Wish they would.
9   Hugolas_Madurez   ignore (4)   2018 Dec 8, 6:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
FortWayneIndiana says
Half the country still carries white flags in case Germany attacks again.


Wish they would.


They can't:


There are so few German army helicopters available for the troops that pilots have been forced to train in bright yellow civilian choppers leased from the German Automobile Club.

A chronic shortage of spare parts and assorted technical woes have grounded 29 of the Bundeswehr's 130 camouflage-green helicopters. Acute shortages of parts have also left only 39 of the Luftwaffe's 128 Eurofighter jets combat-ready — idled along with nearly half of the armed forces' 224 Leopard tanks and five of its six submarines.


https://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-germany-ailing-military-20180516-story.html
10   Rin   ignore (4)   2018 Dec 8, 9:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

France also wants to illegalize boinking, unlike French Canada or its other Eurozone neighbors, Holland and Germany.
11   Goran_K   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 9, 7:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rin says
France also wants to illegalize boinking, unlike French Canada or its other Eurozone neighbors, Holland and Germany.


Are French prostitutes good? I’m thinking cigarette smell and armpit hair. True or no?
12   Goran_K   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 9, 7:24am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Goran_K says


They did achieve below 0 growth lots of times. I'm impressed.
They also seem to average a growth rate of half a percent. Congratulations to the French.


But Keynesians/Democrats have always maintained that economies need higher taxes and strict government intervention into markets to “keep them free and outcomes equal”. What happened? Seems like shared misery in France.
13   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 9, 8:04am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
But Keynesians/Democrats have always maintained that economies need higher taxes and strict government intervention into markets to “keep them free and outcomes equal”. What happened? Seems like shared misery in France.


Keeping outcomes equal is no different than having a 100% income tax. Everyone goes on welfare. Everyone is equally poor and miserable.
14   Goran_K   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 9, 10:42am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Goran_K says
But Keynesians/Democrats have always maintained that economies need higher taxes and strict government intervention into markets to “keep them free and outcomes equal”. What happened? Seems like shared misery in France.


Keeping outcomes equal is no different than having a 100% income tax. Everyone goes on welfare. Everyone is equally poor and miserable.


Leftist vote for Keynesian/Socialist principles but can never explain why it never ever works.
15   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (3)   2018 Dec 9, 12:46pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

In America, if somebody graduates from MIT with a degree in Electrical Engineering or from Wharton with a degree in Finance, we say they're smart and going to do great things and might be President some day.

In France, they feel the same way about someone who graduates from their Administration College, the École nationale d'administration.

In America, we love entrepreneurs.

In France, entrepreneurs are regarded as shady characters who are dodging taxes.

In America, we're suspicious of the motives of large companies.

In France, large companies are preferred because they are more easily regulated and subsidized.

France distrusts innovation, entrepreneurship, and small business. It loves stability, bureaucracy, and large companies.

That's why.
16   Goran_K   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 9, 3:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Well said.
17   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 9, 8:18pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
In America, if somebody graduates from MIT with a degree in Electrical Engineering or from Wharton with a degree in Finance, we say they're smart and going to do great things and might be President some day.

In France, they feel the same way about someone who graduates from their Administration College, the École nationale d'administration.

In America, we love entrepreneurs.

In France, entrepreneurs are regarded as shady characters who are dodging taxes.

In America, we're suspicious of the motives of large companies.

In France, large companies are preferred because they are more easily regulated and subsidized.

France distrusts innovation, entrepreneurship, and small business. It loves stability, bureaucracy, and large companies.

That's why.


That is why the French are protesting and burning cars, just to get half the minimum wage California will.
When will idiots realize, the more you try to get from socialism, the less you will get.
18   AD   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 9, 8:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yeah, and France's debt to GDP ratio is about 225%, compared that to the USA which is about 100%.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html
19   Rin   ignore (4)   2018 Dec 9, 10:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
if somebody graduates from MIT with a degree in Electrical Engineering or from Wharton with a degree in Finance, we say they're smart and going to do great things


I say yes on (2), no on (1) as engineers are considered losers by American society.
20   Rin   ignore (4)   2018 Dec 9, 10:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says

Are French prostitutes good? I’m thinking cigarette smell and armpit hair. True or no?


Never boinked an actual French gal. There was a French-Canadian model/escort, in my travels, who was actually a prettier version of Julie Delpy of France.



Actually, make that MUCH prettier than Julie Delpy!

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