« prev   random   next »
1   OccasionalCortex   ignore (3)   2018 Dec 11, 5:19pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Guess the politicians on that town's council have no aspirations for running for higher, state/federal office, then. Because you can bet COMCAST will fund their opponents most generously AND take out third party attack ads on them...just to make their point to all the others.
2   OccasionalCortex   ignore (3)   2018 Dec 11, 5:23pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

They SHOULD build just a backbone for 5G transmitters to hook into, instead of houses/buildings. Solves the last mile problem and would probably be cheaper over all.

I mean, by the time they actually build the full fiber system 5G will be not only available, but ultra-competitive with even the town's low rates. Which means the town could be taking a capital investment risk in not making the best choice.

Anyone with more knowledge on 5G than I have care to chime in?
4   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 11, 5:47pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MegaForce says
care to chime in?


Fiber has advantages over any radio technology including 5G. Houses and businesses can have dropout areas where radio signals become unreliable. Also, radio has inherent security issues, because radio can always be intercepted and eventually decrypted. (Some would say the Internet has that risk no matter what, but radio makes local interception easier.)
5   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 11, 6:49pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Also, I would imagine fiber has a massive advantage in terms of long term viability and bandwidth headroom. Let's say 5g eventually reaches something like 2 Gbps, which is really generous, afaik. Any fiber cable will handle many times that bandwidth, as long as you have the supporting hardware, which will be cheap relative to the process of laying all that cable initially. So fiber is likely much more future proof.
6   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 12, 8:22am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Wow, I thought the ISP mafia didn't allow this.
7   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 12, 8:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I pay for spectrum internet only. It’s still a pretty decent deal value wise, considering it’s enough bandwidth for everyone in the house to run some kind of streaming device all month for $70.
8   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 12, 11:38am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
I pay for spectrum internet only. It’s still a pretty decent deal value wise, considering it’s enough bandwidth for everyone in the house to run some kind of streaming device all month for $70.


Geez, that much? I've never paid over $40, and I run a bittorrent client.
9   Hircus   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 12, 11:48am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I'm really hoping maybe 5g or 6g gives true, reliable, fast internet wirelessly to the home. It will finally unthrone our corporate internet vampire overlords and bring some competition. All those cell phone towers are already in place, just waiting to be used for it.

I bet comcast is furiously trying to pass laws that will help them protect their moat against this future threat.
10   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 12, 11:48am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I've got Spectrum too. Kind of the only option in my neighborhood. $70/month for 300Mbps. It's pretty fast/reliable, but yeah, annoyingly pricey.
11   OccasionalCortex   ignore (3)   2018 Dec 12, 2:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Evan F. says
Also, I would imagine fiber has a massive advantage in terms of long term viability and bandwidth headroom. Let's say 5g eventually reaches something like 2 Gbps, which is really generous, afaik. Any fiber cable will handle many times that bandwidth, as long as you have the supporting hardware, which will be cheap relative to the process of laying all that cable initially. So fiber is likely much more future proof.


True. But that is also assuming 5G is the end all, be all. Whereas in fact there will be 6G, 7G, 8G, etc. going forward.
12   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 12, 5:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MegaForce says
True. But that is also assuming 5G is the end all, be all. Whereas in fact there will be 6G, 7G, 8G, etc. going forward.


Sure, there's always going to be something faster/better in the pipeline. But if they laid 100Gb fiber now, odds are they'd have headroom for at least a couple decades and then some. 4g started rolling out in 2010. 5g will be here roughly a decade later. Who knows how fast 6g infrastructure will be, and when it will arrive, but even if it's an order of magnitude faster than 5g it still wouldn't keep up with 100Gb fiber.
13   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 12, 5:40pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NuttBoxer says
Quigley says
I pay for spectrum internet only. It’s still a pretty decent deal value wise, considering it’s enough bandwidth for everyone in the house to run some kind of streaming device all month for $70.


Geez, that much? I've never paid over $40, and I run a bittorrent client.


Lol, the Japanese would pay about $11/month for 40mbps.

We are fucked mostly because:

1. US politics is much more corrupt. Comcast lobbies to prevent competition because competition would lower prices.
2. We have too much diversity, leading directly to corruption. Diversity divides people so that they cannot effectively unify against corruption. Diversity makes people not care about each other, or the country.

Number one is, predictably, Japan, where the average broadband speed is 60mbps and they pay $0.27 per 1mbps. We, in comparison, average 4.8mbps and pay $3.33 per 1mbps, putting us at #15.


https://gizmodo.com/5390014/internet-speeds-and-costs-around-the-world-shown-visually
14   Iranian_Oil_Burse   ignore (5)   2018 Dec 12, 7:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Lol, the Japanese would pay about $11/month for 40mbps.


Love price comparisons of random goods/services between two very different countries. How much a SWE @ your level is paid in Japan?
15   Iranian_Oil_Burse   ignore (5)   2018 Dec 12, 7:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Paying $29 for this:

16   Iranian_Oil_Burse   ignore (5)   2018 Dec 12, 7:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

We have municipal entity delivering water in my East Bay town. It sucks when compared with private water provider I had when we lived on the Peninsula. No autopay, stupid "convenience fee" for paying with CC, idiotic two-month billing, draconian fees for being even one day late with payment (which happened once because of the stuff mentioned above).... Whoever equates anything "municipal" with "good" needs their heads checked.
17   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 12, 8:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
SKULL! FUCK! COMCAST!


Skull fuck all of them. Every major player of internet, cell phones, and data. They are all crooks, every one of them.
18   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 13, 10:56am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

DASKAA says
Whoever equates anything "municipal" with "good" needs their heads checked.


Valid point, but when private is basically a monopoly, quality of service goes waayyy down.
19   Iranian_Oil_Burse   ignore (5)   2018 Dec 13, 11:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NuttBoxer says
DASKAA says
Whoever equates anything "municipal" with "good" needs their heads checked.


Valid point, but when private is basically a monopoly, quality of service goes waayyy down.


And when municipal is a monopoly it's going to be better why?
20   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 13, 11:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

DASKAA says
And when municipal is a monopoly it's going to be better why?




In this case municipal is the underdog competing to provide the service. There was a vote, and at that level, I do believe the vote was meaningful, so the citizens had a choice. Not the best choice, but better than Comcast and lump it.
21   Iranian_Oil_Burse   ignore (5)   2018 Dec 13, 11:08am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NuttBoxer says
DASKAA says
And when municipal is a monopoly it's going to be better why?




In this case municipal is the underdog competing to provide the service. There was a vote, and at that level, I do believe the vote was meaningful, so the citizens had a choice. Not the best choice, but better than Comcast and lump it.


So it boils down to competition. If the municipal service will be competing with Comcast there is hope it will be better. But if Comcast pulls out it will deteriorate to something even worse. Because nothing municipal is ever better than private (in my experience).

PS. I don't think Comcast is that bad. I just don't play their games. All I do is I sign up for basic Internet with a promotional rate for a year, ride it out, disconnect, sign up another member of the household for another year of promotional rate, rinse, repeat... The service itself has been pretty reliable through ~20 years and 4 different locations. I own the modem so I don't rent any of their equipment.
22   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 13, 11:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

DASKAA says
So it boils down to competition. If the municipal service will be competing with Comcast there is hope it will be better. But if Comcast pulls out it will deteriorate to something even worse. Because nothing municipal is ever better than private (in my experience).


Agreed.

about   best comments   contact   one year ago   suggestions