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Top Patreon creators on 'Intellectual Dark Web launching an alternate crowdfunding platform not 'susceptible to arbitrary censorship'


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2018 Dec 18, 8:39am   2,883 views  17 comments

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https://www.businessinsider.com.au/jordan-peterson-says-hell-launch-patreon-alternative-before-christmas-2018-12


Jordan Peterson, a Canadian professor who frequently rails against political correctness on YouTube, says he’s planning to launch an alternative to the crowdfunding platform Patreon before Christmas.
Patreon has been losing users and patrons since barring a high-profile YouTuber belonging to the “Intellectual Dark Web.”
Peterson and those in his circle have seen subscriber losses between 10% and 20%.

Jordan Peterson, a Canadian professor who has built a reputation for fighting “political correctness” and “cultural Marxism,” and the conservative comedian and pundit Dave Rubin announced Monday that they would launch an alternative to the crowdfunding website Patreon after the removal of several high-profile conservative users of the service.

In a discussion posted to YouTube on Monday afternoon, Peterson said he and his collaborators would launch a Patreon alternative “hopefully before Christmas.”


Excellent news! Another good effort to fight back against globalist censorship of diversity of thought.

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1   Goran_K   2018 Dec 18, 8:41am  

Nice.
2   cmdrda2leak   2018 Dec 18, 9:06am  

I love the Peterson + Rubin combo. That's a level-headed power team.
3   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Dec 18, 9:18am  

BTW, the executive in charge of banning Sargon is a banker with no experience in "Community Relations" which is her current title.
4   Goran_K   2018 Dec 18, 9:20am  

Get woke, go broke.
5   marcus   2018 Dec 18, 10:34am  

who did Patreon ban ?

I see. Not anyone from the IDW as far as I can see.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/39400/famed-atheist-deletes-patreon-account-over-banning-hank-berrien

SAm Harris who has had heated dissagreements with Peterson, but is his friend, seems to have set the ball rolling. I'm not sure that Sargon or others banned would be considered part of the IDW, I appreciate that they are talking about starting their own internet vehicle.

It's somehow hard for me too imagine exactly what this will be. WOuld it be wide open to everyone including info wars type folks and worse ? What if one of the most outrageous and dishonest TrumpCucls out there wants to start a VLOG there making a fool out of themself. Would they let him ? I hope not.

Peterson has managed so far to walk the line of being a moderate to conservative liberal (in the classic sense of liberal), although many far left types see him as alt right. I would hate to see this label become more true by his being associated with a lot of alt right whackos that want to use his website.

Perhaps there is a way to make it fairly open (but not completely) , and simultaneously effectively disassociating themselves from other content on their service. . Peterrson, Eric Weinstein and others in the IDW have discussed their concerns about whether the powers that be would allow "long form" discussions on the internet to grow. After all, having an informed electorate goes against the oligarchs, and they have done a good job of preventing the people from being informed. Just witness the crap that gets passed as factual these days., without much question.
6   marcus   2018 Dec 18, 11:09am  

Sam Harris. Now that's someone Dan was right about (he sad he had a man cruah on Harris and wanted to have his children).

Harris' atheism is too dogmatic for my taste - although it has led to some interesting debates.

But my point is that Sam Harris is the kind of left winger that I admire. He's a critic of today's far left, but he's still old school left. He's extremely rational, and here he is leading the charge, by dropping his highly profitable Patreon account. Why ? Becasue they are dropping conservatives for what seems to be political reasons.

Respect !
7   marcus   2018 Dec 18, 11:13am  

Patrick, have you considered applying for a job with them ? Does location even matter these days ? They must be getting inundated with messages from talented people that want to help.
8   Heraclitusstudent   2018 Dec 18, 11:18am  

marcus says
Harris' atheism is too dogmatic for my taste

You mean he's too dryly rational for your taste?
I think if you could bring him incontrovertible evidence that God exists, he would absolutely believe it. That's the opposite of dogmatism.
9   marcus   2018 Dec 18, 11:31am  

IT's beside the point of this thread, and if you wanted to understand my point of view on this you've had plenty of opportunity. Harris is religious about his atheism. He's proselytizes and is what I consider religious in his zeal, and like you Dan and others is not capable of empathizing with those who are religious without having a child's view that fits his straw man view of how believers see "God."

But I'm not talking about that anymore here. IF you want a good debate (which I'm quite sure you don't), watch the second Harris/Peterson debate in Vancouver.

Here's Peterson talking about the subject of this thread.

www.youtube.com/embed/GWz1RDVoqw4

I don't get how they launch this in weeks, unless it's through Youtube ?

Are there "turn key" solutions for starting your own youtube like service ?

I guess running a few servers with a relatively primitive user interface for setting up accounts and posting videos is not that big of a deal ?

Actually, Patreon videos still end up being shown through youtube. So now my question is, how does Patreon add value for a Sam Harris or Jordan Peterson or Sargon ?
10   Heraclitusstudent   2018 Dec 18, 11:45am  

marcus says
you've had plenty of opportunity. Harris is religious about his atheism. He's proselytizes and like you Dan and others is not capable of empathizing with those who are religious without having a child's view or oversimplified straw man view of God.

Yeah I certainly never read you explaining clearly what you believe or what you mean by "child's view or oversimplified straw man view of God".
Harris is just very clear in his arguments:
- If you make a statement about is in the physical universe then it is either true or false.
- If you believe things about the physical universe without the slightest empirical evidence, then you are deluded.
- And this delusion, spread widely enough, has very negative implications for humanity.
- And if there is anything good that comes out of it, it could be better achieved without the delusion.
- All this doesn't mean there is no place for a spiritual life. In fact he is clearly defending a path to that, except it is one rooted in direct experience, and not requiring any beliefs.

I don't know why such statement should be seen as lacking empathy. Empathy certainly wasn't the point, and I don't know why it would be important.
And it certainly doesn't represent a "child's view or oversimplified view" of what religion is. This is directly about what religion itself purports to be. To the point.
11   marcus   2018 Dec 18, 11:45am  

Heraclitusstudent says
I have no empathy


We can't all be open minded. You don't even understand the question. If you want to, then watch the Vancouver debates.
12   Heraclitusstudent   2018 Dec 18, 11:46am  

Patreon is one thing, Apple podcasts and youtube is an other.
13   marcus   2018 Dec 18, 11:54am  

Heraclitusstudent says
Empathy certainly wasn't the point, and I don't know why it would be important.


MAybe I should have said, "a desire to truly understand the others point of view."

I have no problem with Harris' point of view. How many years ago was it that I posted this ?

If you are only here to impress yourself, why don't you reread your comments from 6 years ago.
https://patrick.net/post/1223325/2013-03-31-good-one-morpheus

Or you could watch the Jordan Peterson Sam Harris debate. My views are extremely similar to Petersons on this topic.

I'm not going any further on this now.
14   Heraclitusstudent   2018 Dec 18, 11:54am  

Incidentally I don't think Jordan Peterson says very clearly either what are his beliefs on religion. If anyone can point me to him talking about that I would be interested.
His entire first podcast with Harris was about epistemology, and the definition of truth. Peterson seems to consider truths some psychological concepts like Jungian archetypes. Which clearly may not be shared with everyone.
16   marcus   2018 Dec 18, 12:23pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
Incidentally I don't think Jordan Peterson says very clearly either what are his beliefs on religion


True. He says he lives his life as if God exists. And he argues that religion has been useful to mankind and that it is the force behind modern western values that are centered on the primacy of the individual.

Furthmore he questions Sam Harris view that we can do better without religion, and Harris' assertion that we have an innate "good" that is somehow independent of our Judeo Christian heritage.

I said no more, but answered you again. But that's really it. Watch the Vancouver debates on youtube. The first couple podcast arguments didn't get nearly as far.

www.youtube.com/embed/GEf6X-FueMo
17   Patrick   2018 Dec 18, 5:41pm  

marcus says
Patrick, have you considered applying for a job with them ?


@marcus I have a job I really like, but I totally want to help them if I can.

I've been thinking a lot about ways to become more independent of the globalist inquisition, and really happy that others are taking action for free speech as well.

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