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1   marcus   ignore (8)   2018 Dec 29, 9:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Just give it more time. Those tax cuts are going to pay for themselves. It takes time for all that tax cut growth and "trickle down" to kick in.

Yeah, that's it, don't worry. The "conservatives" have everything under control.

I wonder what happens to the deficit if a recession kicks in when you're already running $1.4 trillion dollar deficits ? What if they don't get democrats in power before that hot potato drops ? Who will get the blame ? Ahhh, that's easy. We can always find a way to blame the libtards.
2   marcus   ignore (8)   2018 Dec 30, 12:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Come on Booger. You must have a good meme for this thread. How about you zzyzzx ? Nothing ? TPB ? Tell us how Obama was so much worse ?

This is what MAGA is supposed to look like right ? Economy growing, but deficit growing more ? MAGA MAGA MAGA ! Maybe it's the fault of those educated journalists that were scared of what a Trump Presidency would bring ?
3   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Dec 30, 9:50am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Just give it more time. Those tax cuts are going to pay for themselves. It takes time for all that tax cut growth and "trickle down" to kick in.


Tax cut growth has already kicked in, in the form of low unemployment. Now anyone who wants a job, can get a job.
Those who can but refuse to work, only deserve the trickle down from from those who are willing to work, after drinking champagne.
4   marcus   ignore (8)   2018 Dec 30, 10:17am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Tax cut growth has already kicked in, in the form of low unemployment. Now anyone who wants a job, can get a job.


Total BS. We were pretty much there at the end of Obama's terms (under 5%). The trend was VERY LIKELY going to continue without the tax cuts. Low inflation, low interest rates, steady growth.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=8ej8&utm_source=series_page&utm_medium=related_content&utm_term=related_resources&utm_content=&utm_campaign=graph

I'm sure those people that couldn't get a job when unemployment was 5%, but can now are going to help offset that $1.4 trillion.

At least you tried to come up with something Strategist. But you know that this is a failure that's going to be hard to defend.

What kind of idiot stimulates the hell out of the economy when unemployment is already on track to be alt all time lows if trends continue another year or two. I don't know. Possibly the kind that actually wants to have a few years of extreme inflation ?

All time low unemployment. We must build wall.
5   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 30, 10:18am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Tax cut growth has already kicked in

Has that helped reverse the debt?
6   marcus   ignore (8)   2018 Dec 30, 10:29am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I can almost guarantee that this next election cycle is a total hot potato. Who wants to be President when the effects of four years of Trump are kicking in ?!
7   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (4)   2018 Dec 30, 11:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

It wasn’t the purpose.

Has socialism cut debt? No, it grew it.

Evan F. says
Strategist says
Tax cut growth has already kicked in

Has that helped reverse the debt?
8   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Dec 30, 11:12am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayneIndiana says
It wasn’t the purpose.

What was it's purpose, then?
9   marcus   ignore (8)   2018 Dec 30, 11:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayneIndiana says
Has socialism cut debt? No, it grew it.


Newsflash: People want their social security and medicare. They want their police department, fire department, post office and public schools too.

Welfare barely exists, except for food stamps which is basically welfare for Walmart and other employers that pay less than a living wage.

Wake up FortWayne.
10   HEYYOU   ignore (27)   2018 Dec 30, 12:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
Our only hope is Trump 2020 taking home the GLORY! and saving AMERICA! at last and forever!


I can't act as crazy as AFiS .... is! ;-)
11   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (38)   2018 Dec 30, 12:52pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Once food stamps are eliminated and social security and medicare are disbanded, AMERICA! can finally be FREE! of the crimes against JOB! CREATORS! and OPPORTUNITY! MAKERS! and the ERA! OF! UNLIMITED! WEALTH! will dawn and the survivors will use their honestly gotten gains to take to the stars, and monetize every exploitable atom and reaction in the universe and strangle GOD! with their bare hands, exactly as the Founding Fathers commanded.

Once JOB! CREATORS! and OPPORTUNITY! MAKERS! are liberated from their chains, the greatest destiny of AMERICA! will unfold!
12   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 30, 1:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Those tax cuts are going to pay for themselves.

Did those tax cuts bring in more revenue? That would be the issue to look at.

Like the guy who gets a big pay raise at work and then buys a new car and a lake cabin. It was not the pay rise that increased his debt.
13   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 30, 1:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Those who can but refuse to work, only deserve the trickle down from from those who are willing to work, after drinking champagne.

And only after that trickle down champagne has run through the kidneys first.
14   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 30, 1:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Welfare barely exists, except for food stamps which is basically welfare for Walmart and other employers that pay less than a living wage.

Then you would agree with eliminating this obvious corporate subsidy?
15   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Dec 30, 1:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

All time low unemployment. We must build wall.
Walmart and other employers that pay less than a living wage.

Yep, if you really want wages to increase, you need to cut of the supply of cheap illegal labor. It makes no sense to complain about low wages yet support a policy that floods the labor market with illegals willing to undercut wages across the board.
16   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (4)   2018 Dec 30, 2:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Fix economy duh!

Debt will fix when we cut off government spending.

Evan F. says
FortWayneIndiana says
It wasn’t the purpose.

What was it's purpose, then?
17   Elgatouno   ignore (3)   2019 Jan 1, 12:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayneIndiana says
Fix economy duh!


Obama had already done that.

Trump came in and gave the economy a sugar high which will wear off and end up in the economy crashing.

You support this shit?
18   everything   ignore (1)   2019 Jan 2, 2:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Is that more?, then that's better right?
Debt doesn't matter anymore.
19   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2019 Jan 2, 3:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Who wants to be President when the effects of four years of Trump are kicking in ?!


You mean like following Obama, who tacked on another $10 TRILLION on to the debt during his terms?

marcus says
Welfare barely exists, except for food stamps which is basically welfare for Walmart and other employers that pay less than a living wage.


Welfare barely exists? Really??




and this guy is a math teacher for high school.... Scary stuff...
20   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2019 Jan 3, 7:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayneIndiana says
Fix economy duh!

Debt will fix when we cut off government spending.


Republicans had the house, senate and Presidency. They passed what they considered will fix the economy and debt. Where is it?
21   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2019 Jan 3, 7:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
Welfare barely exists? Really??


Stick to the topic. Why is the debt 1.4 Trillion ( increased by ~ 1 Trillion) and no change in economy instead of going all over the map. Welfare has not increased and did not contribute to the increase. Of course we could argue many things such as getting rid of the military or all welfare and all SS and medicare but that is not the topic
22   d6rB   ignore (1)   2019 Jan 3, 8:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Evan F. says
Strategist says
Tax cut growth has already kicked in

Has that helped reverse the debt?

nope, this budget deficit thing just shows that our Golden Messiah of Failed Hair Care Products is exactly like Bush and Obama. Between three of them they will cause a full-blown depression when deficit will finally need to be reigned in. In all fairness though Bush is the most guilty - cutting taxes and putting two wars on a credit card was not the brightest idea to say the least.
23   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2019 Jan 3, 8:34am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
Republicans had the house, senate and Presidency. They passed what they considered will fix the economy and debt.


Would that be the same when Democrats had the House, Senate and Presidency with Obama?

Tim Aurora says
Stick to the topic. Why is the debt 1.4 Trillion ( increased by ~ 1 Trillion) and no change in economy instead of going all over the map.


Like it was for the first term of Obama?



I don't remember you bitching and complaining back then. Why not?
24   ThreeBays   ignore (0)   2019 Jan 3, 8:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
Like it was for the first term of Obama?



I don't remember you bitching and complaining back then. Why not?


Simple. Deficit is the gap between tax receipts and spending. The great recession cut tax receipts by $500 billion, and spending was increased to simulate a recovery, both of those growing the deficit.

Trump's deficit is with a robust economy.
25   Strategist   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 3, 8:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Evan F. says
Strategist says
Tax cut growth has already kicked in

Has that helped reverse the debt?


Tax cut benefits just started to kick in. It's a long term affair.
26   Strategist   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 3, 8:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Evan F. says
What was it's purpose, then?


Create economic growth. Create employment. Create prosperity.
It filters into reduced deficits over time.
27   ThreeBays   ignore (0)   2019 Jan 3, 9:06pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Just the interest on the debt is going to be over $1T in 7 or 8 years.

Tax cuts funded with debt together with rising interest rates. "You're being set up to spend your life paying off a debt you don't need to take on", sound familiar?
28   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (4)   2019 Jan 3, 9:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rocketmanjoe says
FortWayneIndiana says
Fix economy duh!


Obama had already done that.

Trump came in and gave the economy a sugar high which will wear off and end up in the economy crashing.

You support this shit?


Obama didn't fix shit.

Last time we had great economy when Reagan and Bush (Sr) were around. It's been downhill ever since, just bullshit bubbles and downs, ups and downs. Clinton inherited a great economy, and fucked it up when repealing GlassSteagall Act. Bush continued that mess, Obama started going down the road of socialism and tranny bullshit. Trump gave economy a much needed sugar boost, and that boost is paying off. Debt... well government needs to stop spending, but you can't expect Democrats to actually earn money. All they know is how to take from someone and redistribute it to themselves. Commie fucks.
29   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2019 Jan 3, 9:27pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ThreeBays says
Simple. Deficit is the gap between tax receipts and spending. The great recession cut tax receipts by $500 billion, and spending was increased to simulate a recovery, both of those growing the deficit.

Trump's deficit is with a robust economy.


Really, so Obama running a + $1 Trillion deficit his first four years is OK, because he was trying to stimulate a economy, but Trump running a $1 Trillion deficit trying jump start Obama's failing economy is bad. Showing your partisanship much?

Here's a hint, your savior, OBozo was running the economy into the ground, proof by the deficit was rising his last two years (you know, recovery V7 and V8). Also, where is this so called "robust economy" of Trump's. All you Democrats keeping whining about is income inequality and that no one is getting wage increases. Can you please keep your narratives straight.
30   Strategist   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 3, 9:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ThreeBays says
Just the interest on the debt is going to be over $1T in 7 or 8 years.

Tax cuts funded with debt together with rising interest rates. "You're being set up to spend your life paying off a debt you don't need to take on", sound familiar?


Yes, it's very familiar bullshit. The national debt has been around for generations, and has never been paid off. What makes you think it will have to be paid off by the generations that live now?
31   ThreeBays   ignore (0)   2019 Jan 3, 9:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
Really, so Obama running a + $1 Trillion deficit his first four years is OK, because he was trying to stimulate a economy, but Trump running a $1 Trillion deficit trying jump start Obama's failing economy is bad. Showing your partisanship much?


Unemployment was up at 10% and tax revenue down $0.5T when Obama had to stimulate the economy. How is Trump's need for stimulus and deficit comparable to those conditions? Ignoring the facts is what's partisan.

32   ThreeBays   ignore (0)   2019 Jan 3, 10:00pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Yes, it's very familiar bullshit. The national debt has been around for generations, and has never been paid off. What makes you think it will have to be paid off by the generations that live now?


We pay the interest. The cost of interest on the debt is set to pass the cost of our Military very soon.
33   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2019 Jan 4, 8:25am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ThreeBays says
How is Trump's need for stimulus and deficit comparable to those conditions? Ignoring the facts is what's partisan.


Because growth in the economy under Obama his last few years slowed WAY down. GDP was under 2% and heading lower, along with the deficit rising..

Yeah, ignoring FACTS.... I know, they suck...

GDP Growth Slows to 1.9 Percent in Obama's Final Days
The economy slowed in the final quarter of 2016, growing less than 2 percent.

Gross domestic product growth in October, November and December slowed from the third quarter's 3.5 percent rate of expansion and was notably softer than what analysts anticipated. Forecasts mostly projected fourth-quarter growth would instead clock in solidly north of 2 percent. In all, the U.S. economy grew at a disappointing 1.6 percent clip in 2016.

But Friday's GDP release effectively shuts the door on 2016 being Obama's year for 3-percent economic expansion.

All told, growth under Obama averaged less than 1.5 percent annually.
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2017-01-27/gdp-growth-slows-to-19-percent-in-obama-administrations-final-days
34   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2019 Jan 4, 8:40am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ThreeBays says
How is Trump's need for stimulus and deficit comparable to those conditions? Ignoring the facts is what's partisan.


Here's some more of those "FACTS" that you crave, you know, the ones that AREN'T partisan.

Pay attention to the last few years of Obama, then you'll understand why Trump had to stimulate the economy.















What else can I do to help you understand??
35   HEYYOU   ignore (27)   2019 Jan 4, 10:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

At least we can't blame debt on Reps & Dems.
Why?
Everyone knows debt doesn't matter.


@ 12
Is AFiS a little sarcastic.....or certifiable ? ;-)
36   Elgatouno   ignore (3)   2019 Jan 4, 10:31am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says


Why leave Hoover off the above chart? His presiding economy was most identical to what Obama faced.
37   ThreeBays   ignore (0)   2019 Jan 4, 10:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
Here's some more of those "FACTS" that you crave, you know, the ones that AREN'T partisan.

Pay attention to the last few years of Obama, then you'll understand why Trump had to stimulate the economy.



Yep those aren't partisan facts and they show the differences which you're ignoring.

Answer this, which was MORE justified - deficit following high unemployment and -2.7% GDP (2009), or deficit following low unemployment and 2.3% GDP (2017)?
38   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2019 Jan 4, 12:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ThreeBays says
Yep those aren't partisan facts and they show the differences which you're ignoring.

Answer this, which was MORE justified - deficit following high unemployment and -2.7% GDP (2009), or deficit following low unemployment and 2.3% GDP (2017)?


Neither... But I see how you want to justify it under your hero, Obozo.

A deficit isn't justified in either situation, the budget should be balanced to the income. Is this how you run the finances in your house?
39   ThreeBays   ignore (0)   2019 Jan 4, 7:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
Neither... But I see how you want to justify it under your hero, Obozo.

A deficit isn't justified in either situation, the budget should be balanced to the income. Is this how you run the finances in your house?


Nice way to not answer the question straight, you'd make a great politician.

I save money in good times, and potentially spend more money than I make in bad times. That makes sense. Thanks to GOP under Bush W and Trump pissing deficits in good times, we have no savings for bad times. It's going to be gross when we have a recession.
40   Strategist   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 4, 7:47pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ThreeBays says

Answer this, which was MORE justified - deficit following high unemployment and -2.7% GDP (2009), or deficit following low unemployment and 2.3% GDP (2017)?


The former, but very very deceptive question. The real question is how much of a deficit is appropriate in each scenario.
If Obama was President for life, we would eventually end up like Venezuela.

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