« prev   random   next »

0
5

BTW Trump Has Undermined the Rule of Law

By jazz_music following x   2019 Jan 3, 5:02pm 548 views   31 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


This is only an example. There are many such sickening examples of Trumps exceeding legitimate boundaries. Gaslighting America and whooping up mob rallies are apparently his master tools.

I'm supposed to fear spreading this because of not wanting to hear that I have TDS!!!

Real consequences are nothing now compared to what they will be if Trump's cult continues in its malignant state.

Conservative Lawyers Say Trump Has Undermined the Rule of Law
Nov. 14, 2018
President Trump last week in Washington. Some members of the Federalist Society are urging their fellow conservatives to speak up about what they say are the Trump administration’s betrayals of bedrock legal norms.
Sarah Silbiger/The New York Times

President Trump last week in Washington. Some members of the Federalist Society are urging their fellow conservatives to speak up about what they say are the Trump administration’s betrayals of bedrock legal norms.Sarah Silbiger/The New York Times
WASHINGTON — The annual convention of the Federalist Society, the conservative legal group, has long been a glittering and bustling affair. In the Trump era, though, the group has become more powerful than ever, supplying intellectual energy and judicial candidates to an assertive administration eager to reshape the legal landscape.

But as the group prepares to gather on Thursday for the start of this year’s convention, more than a dozen prominent conservative lawyers have joined together to sound a note of caution. They are urging their fellow conservatives to speak up about what they say are the Trump administration’s betrayals of bedrock legal norms.

“Conservative lawyers are not doing enough to protect constitutional principles that are being undermined by the statements and actions of this president,” said John B. Bellinger III, a top State Department and White House lawyer under President George W. Bush.

The group, called Checks and Balances, was organized by George T. Conway III, a conservative lawyer and the husband of President Trump’s counselor, Kellyanne Conway. In recent opinion articles, Mr. Conway has criticized Mr. Trump’s statements on birthright citizenship and argued that his appointment of Matthew G. Whitaker to serve as acting attorney general violated the Constitution.

The new group also includes Tom Ridge, a former governor of Pennsylvania and secretary of homeland security in the Bush administration; Peter D. Keisler, a former acting attorney general in the Bush administration; two prominent conservative law professors, Jonathan H. Adler and Orin S. Kerr; and Lori S. Meyer, a lawyer who is married to Eugene B. Meyer, the president of the Federalist Society.

“We believe in the rule of law, the power of truth, the independence of the criminal justice system, the imperative of individual rights and the necessity of civil discourse,” the group said in a statement. “We believe these principles apply regardless of the party or persons in power.”

Mr. Conway, who has long been a member of and contributor to the Federalist Society, said he had nothing but admiration for its work. But he added that some conservative lawyers, pleased with Mr. Trump’s record on judicial nominations and deregulation, have been wary of criticizing him in other areas, as when he attacks the Justice Department and the news media.

In a recent opinion article, George T. Conway III criticized Mr. Trump’s statements on birthright citizenship.Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images

“There’s a perception out there that conservative lawyers have essentially sold their souls for judges and regulatory reform,” Mr. Conway said. “We just want to be a voice speaking out, and to encourage others to speak out.”

The new group’s members say their goal is not to criticize the Federalist Society but to encourage debate about some of the Trump administration’s policies and actions. “This is not a separate organization,” Professor Adler said. “This is not a rump group. This is not a disavowal.”

But the timing of the announcement of the group’s formation, just before the Federalist Society convention, was not a coincidence, Professor Adler added. “This convention has become the most important meeting place for conservative and libertarian lawyers with an interest in politics,” he said. “You go fishing where the fish are.”

Mr. Keisler said it was urgent to have an open debate about the administration’s actions.

“It’s important that people from across the political spectrum speak out about the country’s commitment to the rule of law and the core values underlying it — that the criminal justice system should be nonpartisan and independent, that a free press and public criticism should be encouraged and not attacked,” he said. “These are values that might once have been thought so basic and universally accepted that they didn’t need defending, but that’s no longer clearly the case.”

Conservative critics of the Trump administration have been reluctant to speak out, Professor Kerr said, adding that the new group hopes to change that. “There are a lot of people who are concerned who are keeping quiet,” he said.

That silence may be rooted in careerism and fear of retaliation, Professor Adler said.

“This administration, in nominations, is not interested in people who have been critical of it,” Professor Adler said. “There is a belief that there is an element of vindictiveness in the administration that casts a shadow.”

Marisa C. Maleck, a former law clerk to Justice Clarence Thomas, said she hoped the group’s efforts would embolden conservative critics to speak out about Mr. Trump’s actions. “He’s been president for a while now,” she said, “and there hasn’t been anyone willing to put himself out there.”

In interviews, the group’s members said they did not speak with a single voice and had varying concerns about the administration’s policies.

They generally approved of Mr. Trump’s judicial choices, and they were particularly enthusiastic about his two appointees to the Supreme Court, Justices Neil M. Gorsuch and Brett M. Kavanaugh.

Leonard A. Leo, the Federalist Society’s executive vice president, has advised Mr. Trump on judicial nominations and worked on the confirmations of Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. The society itself, its website says, does not take political positions or endorse nominees.

It did not take much prompting to elicit harsh critiques from members of the new group of Mr. Trump’s actions in other areas. Mr. Keisler, for instance, focused on criminal justice.

“The president has attacked the Justice Department for indictments of Republican congressmen on the stated ground that prosecutions would hurt Republican chances in the midterm elections, and he’s urged that the Justice Department investigate his political opponents,” Mr. Keisler said. “That’s a fundamentally wrong and very dangerous view of the criminal justice system, and people from both parties and across the political spectrum should condemn it.”

Ms. Meyer said she was worried about the administration’s casual attitude toward the truth.

“My particular concerns,” she said, “are all the disinformation and spin that comes out almost every day. It makes it impossible for any real dialogue to be had.”

Mr. Bellinger said he was worried about Mr. Trump’s attempts to undermine the country’s institutions. “Attacking the press and putting it in danger, attacking the Justice Department and discrediting it,” he said, “are not part of being a conservative lawyer.”

Mr. Ridge said he was concerned about attacks on the independence of judiciary. “Regardless of whether you’re a Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative,” he said, “you embrace the rule of law.”

Professor Kerr summed up the new group’s basic point. “The rule of law has to come first,” he said. “Politics comes second.”


FAKE NEWS!!! for sure

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/us/politics/conservative-lawyers-trump.html
1   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (36)   2019 Jan 3, 5:08pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FUCK! YOUR! LAWS!

The PLENIPOTENTIARY! rules by GOD!'s WILL! and owns AMERICA! and everyone and everything in it.

The LAW! IS! HIS! WILL!

Pelosi? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! He'll have her tits torn off and have her beaten to death with them on ESPN2 and collect the Pay Per View fees to buy 11 year old boys to rape and eat and kill, exactly as the Founding Fathers commanded!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Libby CUNTS! None of you will survive the GLORIOUS! RULE! OF THE! PLENIPOTENTIARY!
2   WineHorror1   ignore (1)   2019 Jan 3, 5:12pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"Legal norms"? Is that the same as law? Serious question.
3   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2019 Jan 3, 5:44pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This heinousness will not stand, due process be damned! Everybody knows that all allegations against Trump are TRUE, or they never would have been proferred! IMPEACH TRUMP!
4   Tenpoundbass   ignore (13)   2019 Jan 3, 6:05pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Obama "Get in their Faces!"

I remember in 2008 during Obama's campaign, several Liberal idiots got in my face and wanted to hit me, because I said I didn't like Obama.

My knowledge of the Liberal Scumbaggery goes WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY Back!

It didn't roll out of a Russian Troll bot farm and run up my pant leg.
5   Tenpoundbass   ignore (13)   2019 Jan 3, 6:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

How is that Jive Ass Mother Fucker speaking of Shit Ass Obama?
6   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2019 Jan 3, 6:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

How can anyone stand the cow manure dished out by the NYT on a daily basis.

What a total waste of a page filled with useless blather.

jazz_music says
FAKE NEWS!!! for sure


Wow, you got something correct!! Congratulations, you're learning!
7   Strategist   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 3, 7:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
FAKE NEWS!!! for sure


That's why I didn't bother reading the shit.
8   HEYYOU   ignore (25)   2019 Jan 3, 7:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trump is God!
9   Malcolm   ignore (1)   2019 Jan 3, 7:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Jesus fucking Christ, bring charges if you think he did something, STOP just running your mouth that Trump's this or that is illegal. It usually isn't, it is just you don't like whatever it is. I am so fucking tired or everyday there is a NY Times article "Look what Trump did this time." You lost, get over it.
10   Malcolm   ignore (1)   2019 Jan 3, 7:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
That's why I didn't bother reading the shit.


Me too.
11   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2019 Jan 3, 7:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

A bunch of GOPe Open Borders, Endless Wars, Deficit Spending fools don't like Trump attempting to enforce some laws and change others.

But States doing everything possible to NOT cooperate with Federal Authorities - and forbidding localities from doing so - regarding the deportation of Illegal Aliens, including those suspected of criminal acts, is just A-OKAY.

Give me a freakin' break.
12   Strategist   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 3, 7:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says
Trump is God!


No, Hey You, no. Republicans are Gods. They created Trump.
13   Strategist   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 3, 7:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
A bunch of GOPe Open Borders, Endless Wars, Deficit Spending fools don't like Trump attempting to enforce some laws and change others.


They hate Trump because he keeps every single promise he has made. They are not used to honest politicians keeping their promises. It confuses them.
14   Malcolm   ignore (1)   2019 Jan 3, 7:53pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says

They hate Trump because he keeps every single promise he has made. They are not used to honest politicians keeping their promises. It confuses them.


He's exactly what they claim they wanted. Someone who isn't bought and paid for, someone who would enforce immigration, someone who would be tough on trade. He even likes pussy as much as Bill Clinton. He was even a registered Democrat for crying out loud.
15   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (3)   2019 Jan 3, 8:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ah the usual bullshit TDS to impeach Trump. Losers whining, Trump winning.
16   Strategist   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 3, 8:13pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Malcolm says
Strategist says

They hate Trump because he keeps every single promise he has made. They are not used to honest politicians keeping their promises. It confuses them.


He's exactly what they claim they wanted. Someone who isn't bought and paid for, someone who would enforce immigration, someone who would be tough on trade. He even likes pussy as much as Bill Clinton. He was even a registered Democrat for crying out loud.


Oh, the wall, the wall. Trump is a Republican, they have to oppose him on something. The good of the country does not matter. Partisanship is all that matters.
17   marcus   ignore (7)   2019 Jan 4, 2:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
The good of the country does not matter. Partisanship is all that matters.


Republicans wrote the book on that behavior. All they cared about with Obama was obstructing him from having any successes. The actual policies were irrelevant.

18   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (3)   2019 Jan 4, 7:53am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

He’s still your president regardless of how much you hate him.
19   rdm   ignore (0)   2019 Jan 4, 10:29am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayneIndiana says
He’s still your president regardless of how much you hate him


Right, unless he was born in Kenya, than he is merely an African usurper and we are free to disavow his presidency. Obama was a Fake President is orange the new black?
20   Quigley   ignore (0)   2019 Jan 4, 11:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
bedrock legal norms.


Wtf is that? It’s not a law. It’s a custom at best! So the grand indictment is that he’s doing some things differently and it’s getting the lawyers in a tizzy.

Wow. This couldn’t be any more irrelevant if you added a dash of Kardashian shenanigans!

I’m continually lowering my expectations of your reading comprehension. You’ve passed a fourth grader on the way down now. At this rate, You’ll lose the power of speech in five years.
21   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2019 Jan 4, 12:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rdm says
Right, unless he was born in Kenya, than he is merely an African usurper and we are free to disavow his presidency. Obama was a Fake President


Wow... I'm impressed... you're finally learning the truth. Nice!
22   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2019 Jan 4, 12:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Jury Nullification used to be the custom then POOF! the unelected BAR Association started a crusade against it.

Another thing that used to be custom was police reporting criminal illegals to the Federal Government for deportation.

POOF! Blue States decided they wouldn't cooperate, and suddenly the rule of law vanished, because Federal Police don't patrol the general area.
23   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2019 Jan 4, 1:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Wtf is that? It’s not a law. It’s a custom at best! So the grand indictment is


Clearly this is not a cult-approved news article, and that's why I offered it with the "FAKE NEWS" label. The OP was never intended to depose your god.

You are a cultist, that is why you strenuously require news criticism to embody the details befitting an "indictment"--which would certainly be too long to read.

In other words you have no interest in such material yet you can't pass an opportunity to punish it for existing and the donor for his impudence to offer it.

Okay fine,

you might be more interested in a Sarah Huckabee-Sanders commentary on this article.

Sucker!
24   Strategist   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 4, 1:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Strategist says
The good of the country does not matter. Partisanship is all that matters.


Republicans wrote the book on that behavior.


Both sides wrote the rotten book. It's what politicians do best.
25   Strategist   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 4, 1:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
You’ve passed a fourth grader on the way down now. At this rate, You’ll lose the power of speech in five years.


Not much of a loss to anyone.
26   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2019 Jan 4, 1:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@Strategist
How the hell did you get off my ignore list again?
27   Strategist   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 4, 1:52pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Upset Jazz sent me a Xmas Card:

New comment by jazz_music in BTW Trump Has Undermined the Rule of Law:
@Strategist
How the hell did you get off my ignore list again?
---------
he he he he he.
28   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2019 Jan 4, 2:03pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
@Strategist
How the hell did you get off my ignore list again?


Wow..someone can't handle the truth.

This guy has a liquid lunch, then shows up here to post.

Amazing stuff!!
29   Strategist   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 4, 8:40pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
jazz_music says
@Strategist
How the hell did you get off my ignore list again?


Wow..someone can't handle the truth.

This guy has a liquid lunch, then shows up here to post.


Vodka lunch. A communists favorite meal.
30   WineHorror1   ignore (1)   2019 Jan 4, 8:58pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Jury Nullification used to be the custom then POOF! the unelected BAR Association started a crusade against it.

Another thing that used to be custom was police reporting criminal illegals to the Federal Government for deportation.

POOF! Blue States decided they wouldn't cooperate, and suddenly the rule of law vanished, because Federal Police don't patrol the general area.

Damn, you make good points.
31   komputodo   ignore (0)   2019 Jan 4, 9:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
BTW Trump Has Undermined the Rule of Law

No need to fret....i hear he'll be impeached tomorrow


about   best comments   contact   one year ago   suggestions