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What's True and What's Not, About Trump's Wall ?

By marcus follow marcus   2019 Jan 19, 2:15pm 3,743 views   51 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


For starters we have something like 700 miles of "wall" on the southern border already. Here's an interesting piece about Tijuana that desribes the 2 walls that helped redifine the city decades ago.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/06/25/us-mexico-border-wall-works-tijuana-218835

It's interesting. I've never been there, but I heard about it back in the day (1980 or so).

Here's another one that the liars that say democrats are for open borders need to read.

Democrats aren’t saying no to physical barriers on the border. They are saying no to Trump.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/15/18177566/democrats-trump-wall-shutdown


Some quotes for the lazy:

“No matter how you put lipstick on this pig, [the wall] is still a campaign promise that he has failed to deliver because he lied about it,” said Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-AZ), who represents a border district.

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When Pelosi says Democrats will never vote for “the wall,” she is not saying that Democrats will forever oppose funding physical barriers on the southern border. After all, between 2007 and 2015, Customs and Border Protection spent $2.3 billion building and maintaining 654 miles of physical barriers on the southern border, which Democrats supported, and Democrats have voted for funding as recently as 2018. As one top Democratic aide said, they would support physical barriers again, if it “makes sense.”

What Pelosi is saying is that Trump doesn’t get to shut down the government as a way to fulfill a campaign promise — especially one that carries the baggage of his anti-immigration platform. That’s where Trump and Republicans misunderstand Pelosi and Democrats’ position on the government shutdown and border wall fight. On Friday, Trump told reporters that Democrats can call the wall whatever they like, as long as they give him the money to build it.

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Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-TX), a more conservative Democrat from a border district, has some sketches of physical barriers that he said would also serve as a flood deterrent and community space on the Rio Grande river in Laredo, Texas. He says it’s the kind of compromise Trump should be talking about.

But Cuellar wants to be clear: He continues to be staunchly opposed to “the wall,” calling it a fundamental misunderstanding of the needs of the southern border. In fact, all nine lawmakers who represent the nation’s southern border in the House, including Republican Rep. Will Hurd, have opposed every iteration of Trump’s border wall.

Almost all of them have supported physical barriers on the border in some form. But they say that can’t be the centerpiece of the proposal.

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Trump has made “the wall” mean many things since entering office. On the 2016 campaign trail, it quite literally meant a 50-foot concrete wall along the 2,000-mile border. Over the past two years, the wall has become “see-through” and perhaps less contiguous (there are canyons and rivers, after all). In the past several months, Trump has called for “steel slats” or “concrete.” He doesn’t care what Democrats call the physical barrier. To Trump, it’s all a wall.

For Democrats, that’s the problem.

When Trump talks about physical barriers, he’s talking about a lot more than just the material that barrier is made of. Democrats are refusing to give Trump the political win.

“It’s a political gimmick, and we shouldn’t justify it,” said Rep. Peters. “The wall is more of a symbol instead of a structure. It is a symbol of racism. The message is still a racist dog whistle. It’s not a wall.”

Trump’s case for a border wall isn’t based in real data. Instead, he likes to remind people that he made a campaign promise to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it in 2016 and won.

Even when Trump tried to make a humanitarian appeal — citing the record number of children coming to the border and saying his plan includes an “urgent request for humanitarian assistance and medical support” — the wall he promised on the campaign trail was still the centerpiece of his proposal.

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41   marcus   ignore (10)   2019 Jan 19, 5:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
You just said "Border Security". Now it's saving lives?


NO but dealing with a back up of people (some legitimate) seeking asylum is a part of a total package or border issues that need to be dealt with. Even Trump wants to claim that the humanitarian aspect of this is important.

Putting up a wall doesn't deal with so many aspects of our southern border problems. Including illegal immigration even !

But again - just a reminder we have 700 miles of wall and recent massive increases (before Trump) in manpower and technology dedicated to minimizing illegal immigration.
42   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 19, 5:51pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What Pelosi is saying is that Trump doesn’t get to shut down the government as a way to fulfill a campaign promise — especially one that carries the baggage of his anti-immigration platform.

This is why the left is distrusted. Trump is not "anti-immigrant," he is anti ILLEGAL immigrant. The way the left ignores the difference between illegal and legal immigration in their rhetoric, plus the sanctuary cities and drivers licences for illegals, indicates the left opposes any method that would hamper illegal immigration. That includes the wall, and would include E-Verify and HxB visa rules should anyone try to actually enforce them.
43   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (43)   2019 Jan 19, 6:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

d6rB says
This is the $TRILLION question - landowners will fight eminent domain for years


You don't want to live in a country in which they can't or won't.
45   CornPoptheOriginalGangster   ignore (5)   2019 Jan 19, 7:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
NO but dealing with a back up of people (some legitimate) seeking asylum is a part of a total package or border issues that need to be dealt with. Even Trump wants to claim that the humanitarian aspect of this is important.


Absolutely nothing to do with the wall. You can request asylum at any US embassy or checkpoint. You don't need to sneak over border.
46   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2019 Jan 19, 7:52pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
What Pelosi is saying is that Trump doesn’t get to shut down the government as a way to fulfill a campaign promise — especially one that carries the baggage of his anti-immigration platform.

This is why the left is distrusted. Trump is not "anti-immigrant," he is anti ILLEGAL immigrant. The way the left ignores the difference between illegal and legal immigration in their rhetoric, plus the sanctuary cities and drivers licences for illegals, indicates the left opposes any method that would hamper illegal immigration. That includes the wall, and would include E-Verify and HxB visa rules should anyone try to actually enforce them.

Quoted so I could like it again.

Well said!
47   6rdB   ignore (0)   2019 Jan 19, 8:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
You don't want to live in a country in which they can't or won't.

agreed 1000%. Texans axed Transamerican transport corridor or whatever it was called some time ago because it was encroaching on their land. Hope they can shut down this land grab also. Note that many elected R's of border counties are not fans of WALL! as well.

I don't care much for or against WALL! (other than thinking that other methods for preventing entry of/kicking out illegals may be more efficient, see Eisenhower), but taking away private land is not OK.
48   marcus   ignore (10)   2019 Jan 19, 8:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Absolutely nothing to do with the wall. You can request asylum at any US embassy or checkpoint. You don't need to sneak over border.


It has to with money allocated or budgeted nationally for border related expenditures.. Trump wants $20 to 30 billion or more to go a wall, with the first $5.7 billion now, OR ELSE !!!

You're going to tell me we have just as much money for dealing with security of ports and asylum courts and other border security national expenditures if we spend $30 billion on a wall ?
49   CornPoptheOriginalGangster   ignore (5)   2019 Jan 19, 10:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
It has to with money allocated or budgeted nationally for border related expenditures.. Trump wants $20 to 30 billion or more to go a wall, with the first $5.7 billion now, OR ELSE !!!


We already have the highest intake of immigrants than any other country in the world. #2, Germany, has a FIFTH of the rate we do (rate, not raw numbers)

We need to control our borders as we now share one with a failed narcostate. That is a priority.

Again, prohibiting any household member from working or spending simply because one member demands a one time $60 item of $47,000 is really stupid.
50   Elgatouno   ignore (3)   2019 Mar 8, 7:45am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MisterLearnToCode says
We already have the highest intake of immigrants than any other country in the world.


All this time I thought US was number one but it's Russia? I didn't know that
51   kt1652   ignore (1)   2019 Mar 9, 7:54pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I got nothin’, bro. They’ll just hop the wall with drones.

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