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Want to Heal the Internet? Ban All Collection of User Data


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2019 Jan 22, 8:00pm   1,120 views  10 comments

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http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2019/01/want-to-heal-internet-ban-all.html

The social media/search giants have mastered the dark arts of obfuscating how they're reaping billions of dollars in profits from monetizing user data, and lobbying technologically naive politicos to leave their vast skimming operations untouched. ...

Banning the collection of any data from users would of course destroy much of the revenues of companies such as Facebook, Google , Twitter, Instagram et al. It would also destroy the perverse incentives these corporations have institutionalized and excused as "garsh, you can't stop the advance of technology," as if their pursuit of Surveillance Capitalism were somehow an inevitable outcome of the Internet rather than a malign disease that's undermining democracy and the free flow of diverse opinions and dissent that is the foundation of functional democracy. ...

If you think this is unrealistic, look at craigslist. Craigslist is free to individual users, and it doesn't collect and sell user data to make billions of dollars. It sells adverts to businesses such as auto dealers and companies placing employment ads. These income streams are more than enough to fund the operational expenses and reap the owners a substantial profit.

Surveillance Capitalism is all about creating the illusion of privacy controls. The social media/search giants have mastered the dark arts of obfuscating how they're reaping billions of dollars in profits from monetizing user data, and lobbying technologically naive politicos to leave their vast skimming operations untouched.
Keep it simple: ban all collection of user data--no exceptions. That will be easy to enforce and easy for all participants to understand.

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1   marcus   2019 Jan 22, 10:03pm  

Haven't read his stuff in a couple years.

I don't know. I think targeted ads make sense, based on data collected, just based on the way the internet works. Maybe it could be regulated, but that horse is already left the barn. I get it that people always dislike the companies that are too successful like google. And their power is scary.

But I can't even imagine banning data collection on the internet.

I do wonder though where it all goes. What will social media be like in 30 years ? We're becoming something else, it would seem.
2   Patrick   2019 Jan 22, 10:19pm  

marcus says
I think targeted ads make sense, based on data collected, just based on the way the internet works.


I have no problem with showing relevant ads to someone who has just searched for that thing a few seconds ago. They said what they are interested in, fine.

But Google didn't stop there by a long shot. Now they keep records of everything you search for, where you are, who you email, what you said in your emails and on the phone, and even when you're not talking on the phone, by listening in. Most websites include javascript that lets Google spy on all the data on the page, including most government sites. So Google collects complete "Russian dossiers" on all of us.

That's not fine.
3   SunnyvaleCA   2019 Jan 23, 1:11am  

You can always put your browser in no-data mode. Cookies are disposed of at the end of a session, identifying data is randomized every day, etc. Maybe what is needed is a sub-web where the websites work with browsers set in this way.
4   Patrick   2019 Jan 23, 8:06am  

That helps, but it doesn't really stop them. They track your IP, browser, correlate your history with other things you did when logged in.
5   Heraclitusstudent   2019 Jan 23, 12:11pm  

Patrick says
Keep it simple: ban all collection of user data--no exceptions.

Aren't message boards posts "user data"?
6   Heraclitusstudent   2019 Jan 23, 12:15pm  

Ads models require:
1 - selecting the most extreme, provocative content all the time to attract attention.
2 - make people addicted as much as possible. Design your products toward that end.
3 - no privacy. Every bit of data is siphoned and sold to the highest bidder.
4 - this data and targeting become available to foreign propaganda services. (as well as our own surveillance).
This is toxic.
7   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Jan 23, 12:21pm  

Wasn’t there some proxy based browser that’s encrypted? Or such doesn’t exist?
8   Tenpoundbass   2019 Jan 23, 12:29pm  

Ban Social media and bring back Web space for all Internet accounts.

Want to be on the Internet make a website.

It seems when people made a website themselves on webspace either provided for them or they paid for. They only put forth the best of what it is about them.

Social media is your crazy Uncles giant finger. You pull it and it makes a huge disgusting Fart noise.
9   Patrick   2019 Jan 23, 7:03pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
Patrick says
Keep it simple: ban all collection of user data--no exceptions.

Aren't message boards posts "user data"?


The messages which you post in public are intended to be seen, no?

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