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Elections are flawed and can’t be redeemed – it’s time to start choosing our representatives by lottery


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2019 Jan 26, 6:56pm   1,449 views  21 comments

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We are brought up to think that voting is important, that it is a necessary condition of being a politically serious person, that we can’t complain about politics if we don’t vote. This last principle has echoes of the more reasonable parental admonition, said of lima beans or cauliflower: don’t knock it until you’ve tried it. But that principle is based on sound epistemological grounds: you might, for all you know, like cauliflower or lima beans. The voting thing is, as Brand argues, stupid. There are ways of participating in public affairs other than voting. For example, one can become a celebrity and call for revolution in a television interview.

More to the point, the inference from not voting to not caring is a poor one. As Brand points out, you might care a lot about what happens and what the system is doing, but still realise that voting doesn’t affect what happens or what the system does. In most elections, the chance that your vote will make any difference to who wins is much smaller than the chance that you will be hit by a car on the way to cast your vote. But people still turn out to vote. They even drive through snow, miss work, and wait in line for hours.

This has puzzled political scientists and economists. Why do people vote? This is an empirical question; it concerns our actual motivations. Many answers have been given: we vote because we enjoy it; because we think others will think badly of us if we don’t; because we want to express ourselves; or cheer for our team; or because we believe that we have a duty to do so. One worry about all of these answers is that they seem disconnected from what makes voting seem so morally significant, something that it might be worth fighting and dying for the right to do.

In the modern world, we often find ourselves in the following situation. I know that whether I do X rather than Y won’t make a difference by itself. I also know that everyone else knows this about me and about themselves. I also know that if all of us do X, rather than Y, it will make a difference. And everyone else knows this, too. So it’s striking and surprising that a celebrity such as Brand would come out and say, to millions, ‘Don’t vote,’ rather than ‘Vote for X.’ That was the revolutionary part of the interview. A thousand lefty celebrities have gone on TV and advocated for causes. Very few have gone on TV and said ‘Don’t vote.’ Very few have gone on TV and said, essentially, X and Y can both go fuck themselves.

More: 3,600 words. https://aeon.co/essays/forget-voting-it-s-time-to-start-choosing-our-leaders-by-lottery

Definition:

Government of the People by People chosen by Lottery.A theory of government run by people recruited for office via a public lottery system. The lottery system would largely resemble the various systems in place today for choosing jury pools.

There would be no repeat public service required – previous service would be a valid exemption. Holding a position for two terms would be almost impossible. Some individuals would not qualify, just as they would not qualify for jury duty. Some would qualify for a temporary or hardship exemption.

Eligibility would be based on age and residency. Citizenship may be required for some posts.A Lottocracy makes wealth and fund-raising non-issues for a candidate for public office, as we would all be candidates with a more or less equal probability of being chosen.Additional checks and balances may be required that do not exist in America’s system of Democracy.

For instance, no single position could hold ultimate power over any individual, group or organization. However, a Lottocracy would be almost free of special interest groups and so-called partisanship. It would also guarantee equal representation – a concept proposed by the founding fathers of the United States, but one sorely lacking in today’s government.



#Lottocracy #Voting #Elections #TermLimits

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1   anonymous   2019 Jan 26, 6:59pm  

Are Politics Broken? Rutgers Philosopher Proposes “Lottocracy”. Replacing elections with random selection could free the legislature from wealthy corporate interests, philosopher says.

Rutgers Today talks with Guerrero about how ending elections would free us from the tyranny of false campaign promises and wealthy special interests, and make government look more like a cross section of American society. He also proposes a smaller-scale version to solve intractable issues like climate change.

More: https://news.rutgers.edu/are-politics-broken-rutgers-philosopher-proposes-%E2%80%9Clottocracy%E2%80%9D/20181030#.XE0eJ6oo7mI
2   anonymous   2019 Jan 26, 7:02pm  

3   Ceffer   2019 Jan 26, 10:12pm  

Lottery? Shit. More people to bribe with unpredictable results rather than the few assholes we are bribing now with predictable results.
4   GNL   2019 Jan 26, 10:25pm  

I don't know how this keeps money from effecting anything. Couldn't money just bribe those in office?
5   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Jan 26, 10:59pm  

Frank Zappa is probably the most overrated musician in history, an arrogant SOB and a lousy father.
6   anonymous   2019 Jan 27, 1:49am  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Frank Zappa is probably the most overrated musician in history, an arrogant SOB and a lousy father.



Donald Trump is probably the most overrated businessman in politics, an arrogant SOB and a lousy president/deal maker......and father.
7   Patrick   2019 Jan 27, 9:35am  

Funny, I proposed consideration of sortition a long time ago, but now liberals have discovered it because they are not too happy with the actual will of the people.

I think it might be a good system, but even in the original post above the seeds of leftist corruption of the idea are evident:

Kakistocracy says
Citizenship may be required for some posts.


Lol, wtf? Citizenship may be required?
8   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Jan 27, 10:38am  

The funniest thing is that Zappa thought his unreleased material would be worth a fortune.

Nobody wants to pay for it.

Frankly, while the man was alive 80% of what he made was unlistenable crap and people wanted refunds.
9   HeadSet   2019 Jan 27, 10:43am  

WineHorror1 says
I don't know how this keeps money from effecting anything. Couldn't money just bribe those in office?


That would eliminate the campaign contribution bribe. Would not stop the good job after office, nor the nephew gets a scholarship, and so on.
10   Tenpoundbass   2019 Jan 27, 11:27am  

I think it would just be easier if we hurt some Liberal's feelings and purge voter roles.
Tell those racist fucks, the Black people will do just fine. They are adults, and quite capable of getting a Big Peron ID card.
They aren't children that needs a Liberal special interest to hand deliver them ballots and instruct them how to fill it out.
11   rdm   2019 Jan 27, 11:46am  

Kakistocracy says
Frank Zappa


He came up with one good album....name "Weasels Ripped my Flesh" . I walked out of one of his/their concerts in 1970, simply terrible but he thought he was great...or did he?

www.youtube.com/embed/DmcYTShN4Fk
12   Patrick   2019 Jan 27, 12:30pm  

Wow, that really is crap. Hardly worth calling music.
13   Ceffer   2019 Jan 27, 12:43pm  

i remember in the day a college female DJ putting on a Frank Zappa concert record, in which he made some incredibly gross remarks. Her voice was audibly trembling with shock and indignation as she said, "And, we're going to just have to take that one off!" I caught it on tape and it cracked me up every time I heard it.
14   anonymous   2019 Jan 27, 1:40pm  

Tenpoundbass says
They aren't children that needs a Liberal special interest to hand deliver them ballots and instruct them how to fill it out.


They aren't children that needs a GOP special interest to hand deliver them tax cuts, corporate welfare etc.
15   anonymous   2019 Jan 27, 1:44pm  

TwoScoops - this would no doubt be a much more suitable performer for you ?

16   Tenpoundbass   2019 Jan 27, 1:57pm  

Patrick says
Wow, that really is crap. Hardly worth calling music.


That was the whole point, he tried to make five back to back crappy unalienable albums to get out of his recording contract.
But his true hard core fans, couldn't recognize the cynicism in those albums and people bought them up. He even begged people not to buy his next five albums at his live shows.
Which had the opposite affect when he did so.

Thing Fish an over the top Racial Epitath should have ended Record Execs careers for putting it out, if not ended Frank's. I think it got a Grammy Nod.
17   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Jan 27, 3:04pm  

Kakistocracy says
TwoScoops - this would no doubt be a much more suitable performer for you ?


No idea who that is. Is that Tipper Gore yelling at Dee Dee Snyder?

Not everybody was around in the 50s-60s, you know. I didn't realize Donovan wrote Hurdy Gurdy Man until a few years ago (or even who Donovan was). I thought it was a Butthole Surfer's Song.

Rolling Stone was an irrelevant magazine for aging hippies when I was a teenager 30 years ago. It was all Dylan and Santana and Hendrix in the middle of Metal/Industrial Golden Age.
18   anonymous   2019 Jan 27, 4:34pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
No idea who that is


That is none other than the darling to the Evangelical and Conservative Crowd - the one and only - the inimitable Anita Bryant aka Pie Face
19   anonymous   2019 Jan 27, 4:35pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Donovan wrote Hurdy Gurdy Man


Donovan wrote / recorded some very decent stuff in his time.
20   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Jan 27, 5:05pm  

Kakistocracy says
- the inimitable Anita Bryant aka Pie Face


Was she part of Tipper Gore's PMRC?

Back when Democrats thought Ozzy Osbourne and Dungeons and Dragons led to misogynist Bikini Chainmail clad Gals on Metal Album Covers?
21   anonymous   2019 Jan 27, 5:11pm  

Anita has a problem with certain group of people and then the religious right tossed her under the bus after her divorce. She used to be the spokesperson for the Florida Citrus Commission.

As the old adage states - Pick your battles carefully and live to fight another day. That message was lost on her.

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