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Middle Class Dads Freak Out About Trump Tax Hike and How To Find Out What Tax Bracket You're In

By Kakistocracy following x   2019 Feb 8, 2:38am 608 views   57 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


It’s February which means it’s officially everyone’s favorite time of year: tax season! And while most of us will be putting off tracking down our W-2’s until early April, some people have already managed to file their taxes. And among those early birds, many in the middle class have been shocked to find that instead of the nice little chunk of change they were expecting with their return, they actually owe money to Uncle Sam.

What’s the reason for this financial switcheroo? It stems from President Trump’s tax reform, which was passed in 2017 and was touted by Trump and the GOP as a win for the middle class. However, with the new tax system now in place, Americans are discovering that most of the tax relief from the bill is actually being experienced by corporations.

Meanwhile, many people are seeing an increase in taxes due to the bill eliminating many of the deductions that were used by middle-class families in order to lower the amount of taxes they were required to pay. Most notably, the tax reform placed a cap on deductions for taxes on both state and local levels.

Unsurprisingly, people have not been happy to discover that what they expected to be a decrease in taxes paid is actually an increase. Those who had been supporters of Trump are especially infuriated, as many were under the assumption that he would provide financial relief for middle-class families, something that he consistently promised during his Presidential campaign. Many have even taken their anger online, with #GOPTaxSCAMStories trending on Twitter as more and more members of the middle-class express their feelings of betrayal towards Trump and Republicans

More - comments a must read: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/middle-class-dad-freak-trump-211032057.html

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1   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2019 Feb 8, 2:43am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"More than one-quarter of Americans (28 percent) are unsure of what exactly changed with the passage of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017," NerdWallet reports in its 2019 Tax Study, "and about half (48 percent) don't understand how it affects their tax bracket."

NerdWallet's 2018 Tax Study found that an increasing share of Americans don't know their income tax bracket at all: 48 percent, compared to 40 percent in 2016.

While the new law maintains the seven-bracket system, Congress tweaked the rates and income levels at which they apply. The seven tax brackets used to be 10 percent, 15 percent, 25 percent, 28 percent, 33 percent, 35 percent and 39.6 percent. Those are the brackets that applied to the tax return you filed in 2018.

The new rates, which relate to the tax return you'll file in 2019, are 10 percent, 12 percent, 22 percent, 24 percent, 32 percent, 35 percent and 37 percent.

NerdWallet broke down the 2018 and 2019 federal income tax brackets. Below are the 2018 brackets, which relate to the tax return you're filing in 2019.

2018 tax brackets and rates for single filers



2018 tax brackets and rates for married couples filing jointly



2018 tax brackets and rates for married couples filing separately



2018 tax brackets and rates for head of household filers



How do tax brackets work?

If you're confused as to how tax brackets work, you're not alone: One in 14 Americans don't even know what a tax bracket is, NerdWallet found in its 2018 Tax Study.

The U.S. uses a progressive tax system which, in short, means that higher income tax rates generally apply to people with higher incomes.

"Being 'in' a tax bracket doesn't mean you pay that federal income tax rate on everything you make," NerdWallet notes, giving the example of a single filer with $32,000 in taxable income. That person would be in the 12 percent tax bracket but wouldn't actually pay 12 percent of the full $32,000. Instead, they pay would 10 percent on the first $9,525 and 12 percent on the rest.

An individual earning $50,000 would pay 10 percent on the first $9,525, 12 percent on the chunk of income between $9,526 and $38,700 and 22 percent on the rest.

"The total bill would be about $6,900," NerdWallet explains, or "about 14 percent of your taxable income, even though you're in the 22 percent bracket."

More: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/07/how-to-find-out-what-tax-bracket-youre-in-under-the-new-tax-law.html
2   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (36)   2019 Feb 8, 6:40am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Oh, da Trump he ib all for ba middoo klasses. Trump feel my pain and bweed for me.

Gibe me tax-free monies.

Bedda din Jesus!

STUPID! FUCKING! CUNTS!

STUPID! FUCKING! CUNTS!

STUPID! FUCKING! CUNTS!
3   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (5)   2019 Feb 8, 6:54am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Of course if Blake Harper was an honest journalist he would have created a few sample middle class returns, run those numbers using both the 2017 and 2018 laws, and provide a true honest comparison for people to read about. Instead he quoted social media. Brilliant.
4   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (3)   2019 Feb 8, 6:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I got a tax cut. Not rich either.

But I don’t have expensive real estate. CA taxes too much. Taxes make it very obvious.
5   d6rB   ignore (1)   2019 Feb 8, 8:33am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
honest journalist

You have two antonyms in one sentence. Honest does not go together with journalist these days...
6   Quigley   ignore (0)   2019 Feb 8, 8:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yah, I can no longer write off tools or union dues, so that’s a loss in addition to most of the California tax I pay no longer being write-off eligible. The child tax credit should make up some of that but not enough to make it a wash. I think the 3% lower tax rate might help, but it’s hard to say if that will translate to a better return since much of the savings have already been realized in larger paychecks.
7   Hugolas_Madurez   ignore (5)   2019 Feb 8, 9:03am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

It takes special kind of dumb to confuse the fact of not getting a "return" with "tax hike".
8   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2019 Feb 8, 9:16am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Kakistocracy says
What’s the reason for this financial switcheroo? It stems from President Trump’s tax reform, which was passed in 2017 and was touted by Trump and the GOP as a win for the middle class.


It was. It's the Democrats living in the Blue states that will be fucked.

And we all know, it will be blamed on Trump, and not the Democrat controlled legislature in those states, who has been fucking over the residents for decades with HIGH property and state taxes, right?

Hugolas_Madurez says
It takes special kind of dumb to confuse the fact of not getting a "return" with "tax hike".


TDS can have that affect on some...
9   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2019 Feb 8, 9:24am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hugolas_Madurez says
It takes special kind of dumb to confuse the fact of not getting a "return" with "tax hike".


It takes an even more special kind of dumb to give the government a tax free loan on your earnings (i.e. the tax refund) year in and year out but that tells you a lot about the average American financial intellect.
10   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2019 Feb 8, 9:28am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This is targeted fakenews, and just stupid.

Ofc removing the state tax loophole will hurt upper-middle class types in CA and NY.

Sorry losers, your state taxes are your problem.

You are free to move to TX/FL/NV/TN if you dont like it. Can guarantee your tax bill would drop
11   d6rB   ignore (1)   2019 Feb 8, 9:33am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
You are free to move to TX/FL/NV/TN if you dont like it.

They should stay in their shithole states, and not bring their lunacy to TX.
12   Hugolas_Madurez   ignore (5)   2019 Feb 8, 10:22am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Kakistocracy says
tells you a lot about the average American financial intellect.


Average Russian financial intellect is so high they aren't even allowed to file their own tax returns: their taxes are withrawn from their paychecks and that's it.
13   HEYYOU   ignore (25)   2019 Feb 8, 12:05pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Wonder who those that don't get the refund they expected or actually pay more in taxes will blame?

$12,000,000,000 giveaway to farmers. How many Republicans are having to pay for this Rep/Con socialism?
That could be a $0.50 tax credit for 24,000,000,000 individual taxpayers.
How much does each failure Republican farmer get? $0.50?
Can't wait to see how many may be perturbed by April.
They should know who's the enemy but they are prevented by their belief in the propaganda they happily swallow & their stupidity,even when reality slaps them in the face.

How many Federal dollars go to TX/FL/NV/TN socialists in handouts & subsidies?
How many other state are having to carry Red States socialists?
14   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2019 Feb 8, 6:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

d6rB says
Honest does not go together with journalist these days...


Same with Potus and his administration - no honesty or truth there as well
16   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (0)   2019 Feb 8, 8:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The tax changes ("cuts" ???) are dependent on the circumstances of the filer. Most people don't understand the changes and most people won't actually go calculate their 2018 taxes using the 2018 rules and the 2017 rules. Therefore, Trump lovers and Trump haters alike will all have plenty to complain about.

• Married couples get a $24k standard deduction. That's a huge benefit to married people in low-tax states. Even single people in low-tax state stand to benefit.
• AMT exemption is phased out much more slowly. That will help some high-tax filers.
• People with huge state taxes will generally be hurt except those that hit AMT hard and were effectively paying 28% federal AMT on 100% of their income (effectively not having any state and local deductions at all).

The Trump haters usually think he is incompetent, aloof, just playing golf, etc. They'll have to balance that idea in their mind with his "evil genius taxes changes" that he pulled off while secretly colluding with Russia. Cognitive dissonance deluxe! The reality is Trump probably had some advisors say "just sign this Republican-sponsored bill" and he did, knowing little of the details himself.
17   Rin   ignore (3)   2019 Feb 8, 8:22pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

I make so much money that I don't care about taxes.

And much of my gains were 'qualified dividends' so once again, I don't care.
18   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2019 Feb 8, 8:22pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ORANGE! MAN! GOOD!
19   TrumpingTits   ignore (1)   2019 Feb 8, 8:29pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
It was. It's the Democrats living in the Blue states that will be fucked.


Not all. Since I can never afford a house in Libtard-controlled California, I didn't have anything to deduct except state income taxes. And I get my standard deduction DOUBLED.

And for low tax Red States, the $10k cap will be more than enough for them to write off most...if not all...of their state taxes. It's enough for me in my circumstances in CA!

Looks like a win-win to me. So what is the problem? Those who weren't going to vote for Trump anyway actually have to PAY for the political stupidity? That just means win-win-win to me.
20   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (3)   2019 Feb 8, 8:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I live in CA, I don't expect the other 48 states (not counting NY) to subsadize my high tax rate.

But either way, I've got a tax cut. Just always lived frugally, not a problem with tax cap deductions.
21   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (0)   2019 Feb 8, 8:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TrumpingTits says
And for low tax Red States, the $10k cap will be more than enough for them to write off most...if not all...of their state taxes. It's enough for me in my circumstances in CA!

Actually, that person will get a $12k or $24k standard deduction. Not only will they pay less tax, but they will need to file less paperwork!
22   rdm   ignore (0)   2019 Feb 8, 9:30pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The article is quite to point. People don't understand taxes and even if overall their taxes are less, it's the refund, for a certain segment of the population that is important, nothing else seems to matter. I was an employer for many years and my employees would purposefully claim fewer or no dependants and even add a certain dollar amount to each pay period to be withheld for only one purpose to get a bigger refund. They couldn't save intelligently and this was in the days when you could get 4-5% on a money market account. Basically the government, at their request, saved for them. I can remember one year several guys getting really pissed (at me) because their refund had shrunk due to tax changes. If this is widespread it could be significant.
23   ForcedTQ   ignore (0)   2019 Feb 8, 9:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hugolas_Madurez says
It takes special kind of dumb to confuse the fact of not getting a "return" with "tax hike".


Yes it does. It also takes a special kind of dumb to misuse "return" for "refund." I am seeing so fucking many commercials for used car lots saying they will give you a advance on your tax RETURN.... Stupid motherfuckers. Return is what you file.

The low info mofos don't get that their withholding adjusted down to compensate for the adjustment in the tax tables, and that getting a refund at the end of the year means you fucking suck at limiting your withholding. Giving the .Gov a no interest loan throughout the year is stupid, who do you think you are, the FED RESERVE?
24   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2019 Feb 8, 9:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

SunnyvaleCA says
Married couples get a $24k standard deduction. That's a huge benefit to married people in low-tax states. Even single people in low-tax state stand to benefit.


TrumpingTits says
Not all. Since I can never afford a house in Libtard-controlled California, I didn't have anything to deduct except state income taxes. And I get my standard deduction DOUBLED.


I was just going to respond to the $24K. For renters, this higher deduction is a home run, since they don't deduct any mortgage interest, even if they live in a Blue State.

SunnyvaleCA says
People with huge state taxes


That's the case by me in the NorthEast. NJ, NY, CT, MA (and are Blue States) which have high income earners AND high property tax, will definitely get pounded. I know many in No. Jersey who have property taxes in the mid teens, and that's before state income taxes, so they will get screwed with the $10K max SALT deduction. Hell, I'm down in the Southern part of the state and getting screwed by that SALT Maximum. And this doesn't even factor in the loss of the $4K exemption per person.

TrumpingTits says
Those who weren't going to vote for Trump anyway actually have to PAY for the political stupidity?


True, but instead of putting the blame where it belongs (on their state politicians who have been fucking them over for decades), they'll just blame Trump for passing the law.
25   ForcedTQ   ignore (0)   2019 Feb 8, 9:35pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rdm says
The article is quite to point. People don't understand taxes and even if overall their taxes are less, it's the refund, for a certain segment of the population that is important, nothing else seems to matter. I was an employer for many years and my employees would purposefully claim fewer or no dependants and even add a certain dollar amount to each pay period to be withheld for only one purpose to get a bigger refund. They couldn't save intelligently and this was in the days when you could get 4-5% on a money market account. Basically the government, at their request, saved for them. I can remember one year several guys getting really pissed (at me) because their refund had shrunk due to tax changes. If this is widespread it could be significant.


Those dumbasses are financially incompetent, irresponsible fucksticks who can't exercise the discipline to get off the paycheck to paycheck hamster wheel. Whaaaa, I want daddy government to take money from me and save it for 12 months so I can pay somebody to write out a return and get some of it back. Then I will spend it all inside of a week. Truly disgusting.
26   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (0)   2019 Feb 8, 10:12pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
I was just going to respond to the $24K. For renters, this higher deduction is a home run, since they don't deduct any mortgage interest, even if they live in a Blue State.

Actually, the mortgage deduction is not part of the $10k SALT limit (State And Local Tax). Assuming you have $10k in state and local taxes, your mortgage interest would have to exceed $2k (single) or $14k (married) to exceed the $12k (single) or $24k (married) standard deduction.
27   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2019 Feb 9, 7:22am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trump and the GOP Tax Plan Screwed Middle Class Parents Out of a Refund

As a father of two in a dual-earner household, sitting smack-dab in the middle of the middle-class. It’s February and I am terrified to do my 2018 taxes. It’s not because taxes are hard. It’s not because I’m seeing middle-class Trump supporters become apoplectic on Twitter as they calculate their tax bill. It’s because for the last three years I’ve been a remote worker itemizing my tax returns and, in 2017, House Republicans and President Trump stripped me of crucial deductions. So I hesitate to file. Because I know it’s going to be bad and I don’t want to find out just how bad.

I have, for the last three years enjoyed a refund. And the money I received from that refund often went back to my community. One year my wife and I bought a couch from a local business. The next we bought a bed from a local business. Other times, of course, we’ve used the refund to pay down debt. Either way, I am not expecting a refund this year. I’m expecting to write a check.

Here are some things I won’t be able to deduct on my tax bill this year: student loan interest, medical expenses, property taxes, and any home office expenses not paid by my company. Also, the threshold for charitable donations has increased so I can forget recouping the donations to Wounded Warriors, Habitat for Humanity, and PBS. Meanwhile -— and this is a true thing not a rhetorical point — if I owned a private plane I could deduct the maintenance of the aircraft.

Republican lawmakers are pointing out that workers have already pocketed the equivalent of their refund due to increases in their paychecks, a byproduct of the corporate tax rate getting lowered. Paul Ryan was particularly chuffed about this fact. Remember when he boasted about the school secretary receiving her $1.50 weekly raise because of the tax law? “She said that will more than cover her Costco membership for a year,” Ryan tweeted.



But that’s a specious claim. I earned my raise. (Editor’s Note: Yep.) And I don’t have any particular reason to believe things would have gone differently if the corporate tax was higher. And I work at a small company. There’s no way most workers at larger companies will ever know if they benefited from the corporate tax cut. But what they should know is that the government pulled in a lot less revenue, which is why Trump’s big fun parental leave proposal is probably DOA and why the government will continue to do so incredibly little to help parents even as childcare costs skyrocket. But there’s still a Social Security tax cap that ensures the uber-rich save $62,000 on every million dollars in salary they bring home. Cold comfort to me, as I pay a mortgage on my house, which also serves as my office.

And that not even counting the stock buybacks that have enriched shareholders to the tune of a trillion dollars in 2018, a historic amount. Does that wealth trickle down? It might if I was a waiter in a mid-town steak joint willing to hook a bro up for some Benjamins. But I’m not. I’m a writer. I live just outside Cleveland, Ohio. The trickles here froze long ago.

I will admit to being perplexed by Republican relatives who cheered the tax law along in 2017. I tried to warn them that this wasn’t in their best interests. They shrugged. I’m certain many of them will look at their return this year with red-faced frustration, but I doubt any of them will admit they were wrong. The fight distracts from the suffering. A strong sense of identity might be worth it for them. Me? I’d rather have some more money.

And you can rest assured I’m in no mood to say I told you so. I’m as screwed as they are. And perhaps that’s the biggest shocker. By screwing the middle-class, Trump might have managed to bring us together after all

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/trump-gop-tax-plan-screwed-225652100.html
28   d6rB   ignore (1)   2019 Feb 9, 7:42am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

My taxes were decreased, and I think most people had their taxes decreased as well.

On a more philosophical note, I agree that tax cut was idiotic - we need to take care of budget deficit first, otherwise country will go broke with unpredictable consequences. Which means decrease spending now, and decrease taxes later, when budget is in order. However, this type of whiny, fact-free, emotions-based article is very counterproductive. It reads as if written by someone with ORANGE MAN BAD agenda, which repulses 50% of population instantly. If journalist wants to analyze this honestly, sentences such as "many in the middle class have been shocked to find that...they actually owe money to Uncle Sam" should read "x% will have taxes increased, y% no change, z% will have lower taxes". But this type of reporting would mean that since x is less than Z, article punchline would not work.

Instead of this logorrhea, journalist could have analyzed what havoc this tax cut will have on budget, what are possible consequences, etc. And the consequences are probably much worse that a middle class dad not being able to buy a BMW for his midlife crisis. But that would not be emotional enough, and WAAAAAAAAAA ORANGE MAN HITLER crowd would not get their daily emotional orgasm reading the article.
29   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2019 Feb 9, 7:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Kakistocracy says
As a father of two in a dual-earner household, sitting smack-dab in the middle of the middle-class. It’s February and I am terrified to do my 2018 taxes.


I wonder, is the tax plan a way to make Americans dumber?

Who's going to get it the worst? Those who are trying to save money for their kids education.

Less money saved for higher education, less people receiving higher education or going into debt slavery to receive higher education.
30   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2019 Feb 9, 8:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

d6rB says
My taxes were decreased, and I think most people had their taxes decreased as well.


Most people without kids. Did you have any dependents, before or now?

Exemptions that's going to be the real difference.

2 kids 2017 standard deduction + exemptions = $28,900
2 kids 2018 standard deduction (no exemps) = $24,000
And each additional dependent +$4,050 in 2017

Ouch!
31   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2019 Feb 9, 8:24am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Elgatouno says
Exemptions that's going to be the real difference.

2 kids 2017 standard deduction + exemptions = $28,900
2 kids 2018 standard deduction (no exemps) = $24,000
And each additional dependent +$4,050 in 2017

Ouch!


Why are you being dishonest and leaving out other deductions for 2018 for kids?

....."The Child Tax Credit under 2018 tax reform is worth up to $2,000 per qualifying child. The age cut-off remains at 17 (the child must be under 17 at the end of the year for taxpayers to claim the credit)."
https://www.hrblock.com/tax-center/irs/tax-reform/new-child-tax-credit/

Plus, you didn't factor in the lower tax rates for 2018, which also saves the family money.

Why were you dishonest? I know, because #OrangeManBad
32   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2019 Feb 9, 8:26am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Elgatouno says
I wonder, is the tax plan a way to make Americans dumber?

Who's going to get it the worst? T


Who's going to get it worst? Only a few. The dumb ones are the people living in high tax BLUE states:

33   d6rB   ignore (1)   2019 Feb 9, 8:37am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Elgatouno says
Did you have any dependents, before or now?

One dependent, and taxes still went down. I am right about 200K bracket, slightly above or below last few yrs.

@MrMagic, I did not know that so few taxpayers will have taxes increased - thanks for the info-graphic! Shows that person who wrote the article really suffers from ORANGE MAN HITLER mindset, and chose FACTS very selectively to make fellow ORANGEMANBAD NPC's happy. Including this easily available info-graphic in the article would certainly be more honest that the crappy reporting we have now.
34   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2019 Feb 9, 8:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
Why are you being dishonest and leaving out other deductions for 2018 for kids?


If I'd have brought it up then maybe I wouldn't have drawn you into the conversation.

Yet how honest are you being without admitting that the child tax credit existed before? so really it's only a $1,000 difference not $2,000 like you were leading us to believe.
35   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2019 Feb 9, 8:41am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
The dumb ones are the people living in high tax BLUE states:


Like New Jersey?


36   d6rB   ignore (1)   2019 Feb 9, 8:46am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

And additional note - vote for people who like tax increases, get poetic justice of your taxes being selectively increased. Win-win! This type of trolling is one of very few things I like about Orange Man.
37   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (5)   2019 Feb 9, 9:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The idea that we should be taking refund or no refund is preposterous, and entirely misses the truth. It misses the truth by so much as to effectively be a lie.

Now truth. Housing has totally eclipsed me in So Cal. So I don’t itemize in my federal tax return and never have. The only exemptions I have from federal taxes are the standard deduction, my retirement contributions, and my 457 contributions.

For my 2018 return I just filed, I paid roughly $3500 less than I would have on the same income in 2017. I’m upper middle class income by middle america standards, but middle class only by urban west coast standards.

I can only say that news and opinion articles stating otherwise are purely propaganda. There’s actual metrics available by which one can make an apples to apples comparison. Using any other annecdotes...there seems to be only intent to deceive.
39   Kakistocracy   ignore (1)   2019 Feb 9, 9:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
I can only say that news and opinion articles stating otherwise are purely propaganda


Does this also apply to Jim Hoft and Alex Jones etc. ?

CovfefeButDeadly says
I can only say that news and opinion articles stating otherwise are purely propaganda


Does this also apply to Jim Hoft and Alex Jones etc. ?

d6rB says
Orange Man

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Keep seeing and hearing about this Orange Man Bad - is this some new rapper or a new K-Pop group?

Don't y'all just miss the good old days when we had Barry and Hillary to pummel on a daily basis ? Wasn't that a swell time ?

God forbid the "base" lives to see a woman as president, especially a minority woman.

Bad enough the collective psyche is still bruised from having to deal with a black man in the oval office for 8 years - put a woman in there and it will be like a lemming migration to jump off the cliffs.
40   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2019 Feb 9, 9:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Kakistocracy says
God forbid the "base" lives to see a woman as president, especially a minority woman.


Aloha bitchez

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