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1   Tenpoundbass   2019 Feb 21, 6:43pm  

This one is a Goddamn lie there isn't even any data for 1975 as the earliest UAH Sat data is from 1992
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAH_satellite_temperature_dataset

2   Onvacation   2019 Feb 22, 7:35am  

So when is Manhattan flooding?

Deniers wanna know.
3   Tenpoundbass   2019 Feb 22, 7:51am  

ThreeBays says


The Troposphere just expelled the built up trapped heat, and brought us the Polar Vortex and a Hate Hoax.
You should expect a downward trend from here.
4   kt1652   2019 Feb 22, 9:30am  

"Climate change will negatively impact our world's ability to grow and produce food, as well as produce energy."
- Rear Admiral David Titley PhD, Chief Oceanographer, a former climate sketptic.
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The Pentagon, mandated to look decades ahead for threats to the nation's security, started factoring climate change into strategic doctrine with the 2012 Quadrennial Defense Review, the QDR. Admiral David Titley, director of Task Force Climate Change and former Oceanographer of the Navy, explains why the Pentagon accepts the reality of climate change. Published Published on Apr 16, 2012, you can google it.
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These generals, rocket scientists, a bunch of conspiring kooks, whoring for funding!
Wait, they are already 54% of all federal discretionary spending, a total of $600 billion.
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NASA scientists: consensus on climate change cause by humans.
"Global warming is a long-term rise in the average temperature of the Earth's climate system, an aspect of climate change shown by temperature measurements and by multiple effects of the warming."

www.youtube.com/embed/BsBXa7Z4IIk

5   kt1652   2019 Feb 22, 9:50am  

True conservative values are completely compatible with ways to improve the environment without unnecessry costs.
www.youtube.com/embed/Ap5g4DamuUg
6   Tenpoundbass   2019 Feb 22, 10:28am  

kt1652 says
- Rear Admiral David Titley PhD, Chief Oceanographer, a former climate sketptic.


Those Former state department guys gets millions to be mouth pieces for NGO Policy.
It's a sweet gig. I would sing about the virtues of Socialism if you paid me a 30 million for a few Speaking engagements.
7   Onvacation   2019 Feb 22, 11:48am  

kt1652 says
NASA scientists: consensus on climate change cause by humans.

Real scientists believe in hypothesis, experiment, and observation. Not consensus.
8   Onvacation   2019 Feb 22, 11:49am  

kt1652 says
"Global warming is a long-term rise in the average temperature of the Earth's climate system, an aspect of climate change shown by temperature measurements and by multiple effects of the warming."

You do know the temperature has been falling, don'tcha?
9   Onvacation   2019 Feb 22, 11:51am  

Onvacation says
So when is Manhattan flooding?

Deniers wanna know.

Anyone?
10   HeadSet   2019 Feb 22, 12:31pm  

Japan to build Coal Plants now that Global Warming is Bogus.

This is where the AGW crowd causes damage. Coal should be avoided not because of some highly debatable future climate effect, but because burning coal causes real identifiable environmental damage right now. In their day, coal fire plants in Virginia had put mercury and other heavy metals into the air and waterways, along with soot and other pollutants like sulfur. We also have rivers poisoned by leaks and runoffs from coal waste slag heap dumps.
11   kt1652   2019 Feb 22, 1:12pm  

Onvacation says
Onvacation says
So when is Manhattan flooding?

Deniers wanna know.

Anyone?
I will , when you can tell me the exact date of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.
The question is so stupid, only to reveal yourself as a medieval zealot unschooled in the scientific process. I don't waste time to unlock closed minds.
I wish to regain the lost minutes reading the nonsense.
12   HeadSet   2019 Feb 22, 1:30pm  

I will , when you can tell me the exact date of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

Ah, sounds like you equate AGW with faith based religion. Can't say I blame you, as AGW believers are just disciples of the "consensus" Apostles. Science oriented folks would critically evaluate the method and stated conclusions of a hypothesis-experiment-observation approach. Also, one must wonder how anyone could make simplistic conclusions considering the complex fluid dynamics of the atmosphere and ocean, along with the thousands of other interacting factors.
13   Tenpoundbass   2019 Feb 22, 1:33pm  

Ya'll still sweating this, just remember there's not a bit of Smog in India or China that is not Man Made.
Japan is a tiny Island what's the worst that can happen?
14   kt1652   2019 Feb 22, 2:00pm  

HeadSet says
I will , when you can tell me the exact date of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

Ah, sounds like you equate AGW with faith based religion. Can't say I blame you, as AGW believers are just disciples of the "consensus" Apostles. Science oriented folks would critically evaluate the method and stated conclusions of a hypothesis-experiment-observation approach. Also, one must wonder how anyone could make simplistic conclusions considering the complex fluid dynamics of the atmosphere and ocean, along with the thousands of other interacting factors.
It's a your talking point, unscientific question. No mention of timeframe, probability, frequency, severity, confidence level...can't predict when, huh?
Actually you're still clueless I was mocking you.
Manhattan was flooded in 1903, 1908, 1951 and 1993 in recent history.
I am sure Miami being liberal controlled, just wanted to burn $300 million installing salt water pumps to keep rising sea water back.There is a term, Sunny Day Flooding.
One can literally spend 15 minutes and goog ll e widespread evidence of sea level rising, and many other man created climate change effect evident TODAY. Stop making silly conjectures from your "pretend I'm a climate scientist" game.
It is rather silly.
www.youtube.com/embed/gBvlDwc9gbw
15   MrMagic   2019 Feb 22, 2:19pm  

kt1652 says
It is rather silly


It certainly is, posting a video claiming rising water from a King tide (gravitational pull) is caused by global warming.

Folks, you can't make this level of liberal delusion up!
16   kt1652   2019 Feb 22, 2:32pm  

King tide" is a colloquial term for an especially high spring tide, such as a perigean spring tide. "King tide" is not a scientific term, nor is it used in a scientific context. Wikipedia
Dropping scientiic sounding words like gravitational pull is creative. When did earth's gravity changed recently. Nothing to see here...move along.
17   MrMagic   2019 Feb 22, 2:36pm  

kt1652 says
King tide" is a colloquial term for an especially high spring tide, such as a perigean spring tide. "King tide" is not a scientific term, nor is it used in a scientific context. Wikipedia
Dropping scientiic sounding words like gravitational pull is creative. When did earth's gravity changed recently. Nothing to see here...move along.


Quoted for delusionalism....

A King Tide is a non-scientific term people often use to describe exceptionally high tides. Tides are long-period waves that roll around the planet as the ocean is "pulled" back and forth by the gravitational pull of the moon and the sun as these bodies interact with the Earth in their monthly and yearly orbits.

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/kingtide.html

Hint: That's NOAA.... BTW...



kt1652 says
One can literally spend 15 minutes and goog ll e widespread evidence of sea level rising, and many other man created climate change


Just wondering, is gravity man made now too?
18   Onvacation   2019 Feb 23, 7:52am  

kt1652 says
The question is so stupid, only to reveal yourself as a medieval zealot unschooled in the scientific process. I don't waste time to unlock closed minds.

Alarmists always go to the personal attack when you call them on their BS.

Onvacation says
Onvacation says
So when is Manhattan flooding?

Deniers wanna know.

Anyone?


Let me rephrase. When do you think the alarmists predictions of multiple degree temperature rises, feet of ocean rise, and mass wetbulb death come true?

And why have the past alarmist predictions failed so miserably?
19   Onvacation   2019 Feb 23, 7:58am  

kt1652 says
One can literally spend 15 minutes and goog ll e widespread evidence of sea level rising,

One could...

Why don't you go do some research and bring us some links to this evidence. Not just made up BS.
20   Tenpoundbass   2019 Feb 23, 10:38am  

Idiots about the King tide. The moron said "I remember in the 90's it wasn't like that!"

Well I remember in the early 80's it WAS!

They didn't have King Tide for a decade and built in those flood zones where they never should have in the first place.
21   kt1652   2019 Feb 23, 11:21am  

The following literally took me 10 minutes to compose.
Sources from NASA, Europe.
For those deluded, things are actually worse than predicted.
It is useless, I will not interrupt your teaparty circle jerk.
https://www.businessinsider.com/miami-floods-sea-level-rise-solutions-2018-4
Miami is racing against time to keep up with sea-level rise
https://www.miamiwaterkeeper.org/sea_level_rise
Miami is the most vulnerable city to sea level rise in the world. Seas in Miami have risen four inches since 1996 and the rate is accelerating.
https://www.climaterealityproject.org/blog/get-facts-why-are-sea-levels-rising
As our world becomes warmer and warmer, our seas will continue to rise. That’s because the number one cause of sea-level rise is climate change.
https://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/indicators/sea-level-rise/sea-level-rise-assessment-published

Global average sea level rose by around 0.17 m (1.7 mm/year) during the 20th century. In Europe rates of sea-level rise (SLR) ranged from - 0.3 mm/year to 2.8 mm/year. Recent results from satellites and tide gauges indicate a higher average rate of global SLR in the past 15 years of about 3.1 mm/year.

22   kt1652   2019 Feb 23, 11:42am  

Parting words. Let's consider risk.
Risk = severity of consequences x likelihood (probability)

1. If environmental stewards are wrong, we will end up with this:
Generating energy that produces no greenhouse gas emissions from fossil fuels and reduces some types of air pollution. Diversifying energy supply and reducing dependence on imported fuels. Creating economic development and jobs in manufacturing, installation, and more.

2. If deniers are wrong, future generations are royally screwed.
23   HeadSet   2019 Feb 23, 1:21pm  

kt1652 says
Parting words. Let's consider risk.
Risk = severity of consequences x likelihood (probability)

1. If environmental stewards are wrong, we will end up with this:
Generating energy that produces no greenhouse gas emissions from fossil fuels and reduces some types of air pollution. Diversifying energy supply and reducing dependence on imported fuels. Creating economic development and jobs in manufacturing, installation, and more.

2. If deniers are wrong, future generations are royally screwed.


Nice straw man. Nobody - denier or believer- is against wind, solar, or any other renewables. Nobody says "Since AGW is sketchy, lets pollute even more!" Solar and wind are already on their way, but we need to lower energy needs to allow such renewables to be sufficient. That means halting 1st world population growth and restricting imports from high polluting producers. Unfortunately, the same lefties that spot AGW also spout for unlimited illegal immigration.
24   Onvacation   2019 Feb 23, 2:20pm  

kt1652 says
As our world becomes warmer and warmer, our seas will continue to rise.

So google me this. How fast are sea levels rising?
If the facts don't match the narrative maybe the narrative is wrong.
25   Onvacation   2019 Feb 23, 2:21pm  

kt1652 says
The following literally took me 10 minutes to compose.

Slow typist?
26   Onvacation   2019 Feb 23, 2:23pm  

kt1652 says
Global average sea level rose by around 0.17 m (1.7 mm/year) during the 20th century.

So you do know that the rise is not alarming?
27   kt1652   2019 Feb 23, 2:41pm  

Very typical of teabaggers. Dodge the issues, provide no supporting evidence, pick on tangent to deflect on the real issue then of course, personal attacks.
Where is the counter argument sources?
You cant dance around the basis of an argument.
The more extreme teabaggers here have posted,
1) There is no scientific basis for world wide climate change due to global warming.
2) Even if there is warming, it was not caused by fossil fuel burning.
3) If there is rapidly rising CO2 levels in the atmosphere, it is not a problem. Some even say it would be good, plants would love it.
4) It is cooling. Lol
5) Climate’s changed before,
6) Climate scientist are just chasing funding,
7) It is a natural cycle.
...
When you drill down, patnet climate skeptics' common position is we do not need clean energy, as the need to transition out of fossil fuels is a false premise.

I was asked to cite supporting sources for actual ocean level rise. Which I did. Why was this point moved to “No one said they don’t support clean energy.” This statement is 100% false. It is also disingenuous. Many posters in the past had stated exactly they don’t support clean energy. Regardless what your opinion, I was addressing more than you.
In regards to your position that overpopulation is the primary driving issue. That is just myopic. Overpopulation, will directly result in even higher energy usage and CO2 generation, all very predictable as 2nd and 3rd world societies catches up to 1st world standard of living. To focus on “too many people” as the problem is not seeing the big picture. It also offer NO real solution as we cannot wait for a natural reduction of world population. We haven’t even stop accelerating. Besides, there isn’t enough time as the window of opportunity for human kind to stabilize CO2, methane, warming will be long gone. The earth will be in a world of hurt as major adverse trends will multiply, amplify the warming effect. Also known as positive feedback, less ice means even higher rate of warming as human intervention would be futile at that point.
For all I know, you are paid by the Koch Brothers to create FUD. (The exact tactics used by tobacco industry.)
Or you have vested interest in the status quo, maybe you stand to lose a lot of money if the oil industry shrinks.
That is why I have decided it is waste of time to debate, you can have the last word.
www.youtube.com/embed/nbmt_WeNBck?t=2
28   Onvacation   2019 Feb 23, 4:14pm  

4 inches a century. woo hoo

Move up the beach a couple feet.

Alarmists are so pathetic they don't believe in science, history, or the American way.

If one wants to talk koch brothers fud there is this guy named dan from Florida that would love to meet YOU!
29   kt1652   2019 Feb 23, 4:27pm  

Intellectually-honest and intellectually-dishonest debate tactics.
Where are your sources for your assertions?
one dishonest tactic after another. Are you are climate scientist, offering expert opinion?
If you are, then lay it down.
Back it up. When you state an opinion, like "the rise of sea level is not alarming", back it with sources.

"The Causal Fallacy is any logical breakdown when identifying a cause."
30   Onvacation   2019 Feb 23, 5:44pm  

kt1652 says
Back it up. When you state an opinion, like "the rise of sea level is not alarming", back it with sources.

Back up.
3 to 6 inches of sea rise a century is not alarming.

Back up if your feet are getting wet.
31   Onvacation   2019 Feb 23, 6:19pm  

kt1652 says
Are you are climate scientist,

Are you are?

I have been studying climate science since the last coming ice age.

Come back and debate me some more. You might learn something.
32   Onvacation   2019 Feb 23, 6:25pm  

The oceans aren't rising
Catastrophically.

The temperature isn't rising
Catastrophically.

The ice isn't melting
Catastrophically.

What is a catastrophe is what has happened to science.
33   lostand confused   2019 Feb 23, 6:26pm  

The oceans used to alp the foothills of the Sierra mountians and receded long before men walked the earth-LOLZ Liberals, liberlas!
34   MrMagic   2019 Feb 23, 6:27pm  

kt1652 says
I am sure Miami being liberal controlled, j


So why did the Liberal brains in Miami build roads and buildings 3 inches above sea level? Wouldn't intelligent people build buildings out of harm's way, knowing the seas are unpredictable, specially since this is hurricane prone area too?

So now the rest of the country needs to pay for the fucked up errors of the Liberals in Miami? Sounds so Socialist.
35   kt1652   2019 Feb 23, 6:31pm  

Onvacation says
kt1652 says
Are you are climate scientist,

Are you are?

I have been studying climate science since the last coming ice age.

Come back and debate me some more. You might learn something.

In the media age, everybody was famous for 15 minutes. In the Wikipedia age, everybody can be an expert in five minutes. Special bonus: You can edit your own entry to make yourself seem even smarter. - Stephen colbert
Cite some research references, credible, reliable sources.
36   kt1652   2019 Feb 23, 6:42pm  

lostand confused says
The oceans used to alp the foothills of the Sierra mountians and receded long before men walked the earth-LOLZ Liberals, liberlas!

See 5) above. How many years ago was that, what was the rate of change comparible to today?
If the change was given a long enough time frame, we wouldnt be discussing this as a problem would we?
37   kt1652   2019 Feb 23, 6:46pm  

Onvacation says
The oceans aren't rising
Catastrophically.

The temperature isn't rising
Catastrophically.

The ice isn't melting
Catastrophically.

What is a catastrophe is what has happened to science.

Define catastrphoically. Not in my lifetime? 100 years? 200 years? Hope?
Where is your supporting evidence?
Our military planners do not agree with you. See my previous cited source.
38   MrMagic   2019 Feb 23, 7:53pm  

kt1652 says
That is why I have decided it is waste of time to debate, you can have the last word.


Just wondering, have you figured out yet if gravitational pull by the moon and sun is man made, which causes global warming and sea level rise? Please show us the science behind that.
39   kt1652   2019 Feb 23, 7:59pm  

Genius, did gravirational forces change?
Keep Talking Out Of Your Derriere.
Wow you can earn an honorable PhD from that
Cite some references.
40   MrMagic   2019 Feb 23, 8:08pm  

kt1652 says
Cite some references.


Ha Ha

I didn't post the video stating Miami floods during King tides.

King tides happen when the sun and moon align on the same side of the Earth, and their resulting combined gravitational pull produces tides much higher than normal. Berthier said king tides bring flooding to Miami Beach twice a year, with the fall tide being “more severe” than the spring.

Witness King Tides says on its website that “[King tides] aren’t part of climate change; they are a natural part of tidal cycles.” For reference, Miami receives just under 52 inches of rain a year, according to U.S. climate data.

Miami Beach is roughly three feet above sea level and despite a decline in population from 1990 to 2000, has since rebounded and now has a population of 92,000, according to census.gov data.

As populations increase, the need for industry does as well. That means more water is drawn from the ground for industrial purposes. Add the weight of an increasing population and you have a recipe for subsidence. Water that once filled areas underground is now gone, and the land settles into these new hollow spaces.

Andrew Kiernan, a real estate expert from Franklin Street, makes the point that Miami Beach was built on sand, something that would lend itself to subsidence.

https://dailycaller.com/2016/07/10/miami-is-sinking-but-that-doesnt-mean-sea-levels-are-rising/

How's that for references?

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