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Decline of Empathy and the Appeal of Right-Wing Politics

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https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/what-is-he-thinking/201612/the-decline-empathy-and-the-appeal-right-wing-politics

On nearly all measures of social life, Americans tend to have fewer and lower quality interactions with one another than their parents or grandparents did. Isolation has grown along with inequality. They go together. Societies with more economic fairness and equality are ones that encourage and privilege cooperation and mutuality. Societies like ours that are so exceptionally unequal encourage and privilege aggression, paranoia, and competitiveness, traits associated with the so-called “rugged individualist.” While sometimes adaptive, such an ideal also makes a virtue out of disconnection and trauma.

The links between the failures of empathy in childhood and similar experiences in adult social and political life are not simple or straightforward. We cannot reduce white working class anger, for example, to childhood traumas, and it is certainly true that the feelings of neglect and rejection associated with encountering the “still face” of social institutions are ubiquitous and not restricted to the economically disadvantaged. As I already said, people of color, the majority of the working class, endure this neglect and rejection in especially harsh ways. Race matters, but so does wealth. It remains true that wealth and income can enhance feelings of agency and control and can “buy” greater responsiveness from those from whom we need help or support.

To get a deeper understanding of the intersection of politics and the psychobiology of empathy and trauma, we need a deeper and more nuanced account of the interior lives of the working and middle class people who have been “left behind” in our society. Berkeley sociologist Arlie Hochschild gives us such an account in her recent book, Strangers in Their Own Land: Anger and Mourning on the American Right. Based on her many years embedded with Tea Party sympathizers and activists in southwest Louisiana, she describes what she calls the “deep story” of the white working class people she got to know. For Hochschild, a “deep story” is a person’s subjective emotional experience, free of judgment and facts. It is the subjective prism through which all people (in this case, Tea Party voters) see the world.

Hochschild presents their story in a metaphorical way that represents the hopes, fears, shame, pride and resentment in the lives of her informants. It’s a story of people for whom there is no fairness, in the lives of whom the still-face of government is seen to smile on others but not on them. In fact, Hochschild’s subjects perceive the faces of many people in American society (for example, liberals living on the coasts) looking at them with disdain or contempt, not smiling in recognition or understanding. The following is an edited version of this “deep story":

You are patiently waiting in a long line leading up a hill…you are situated in the middle of this line, along with others who are also white, older, Christian, and predominantly male, some with college degrees, some not.

Just over the brow of the hill is the American Dream, the goal of everyone waiting in line. Many in the back of the line are people of color—poor, young and old, mainly without college degrees. It’s scary to look back; there are so many behind you, and in principle you wish them well. Still, you’ve waited a long time, worked hard, and the line is barely moving. You deserve to move forward a little faster.

You’ve suffered long hours, layoffs, and exposure to dangerous chemicals at work, and received reduced pensions. You have shown moral character through trial by fire, and the American Dream of prosperity and security is a reward for all of this, showing who you have been and are—a badge of honor.

Will I get a raise?...Are there good jobs for us all?...

The line is moving backward! You haven’t gotten a raise in years. and your income has dropped. You’re not a complainer, but this line isn’t moving...

Look! You see people cutting in line ahead of you! You’re following the rules. They aren’t. Some are black—affirmative action—women, immigrants, refugees, public sector workers: Where will it end?

If you are a man, [there are] women demanding the right to the men’s jobs, and overpaid public sector employees who seem to you to work shorter hours in more secure and overpaid jobs, enjoying larger pensions than yours ... Four million Syrian refugees fleeing war and chaos—even the brown pelican which is protected as an endangered species, even they have cut in line. . . . .

You feel betrayed.

In this story, the economy and government are indifferent to the people in the middle of the line. Their sacrifice is ignored. And other people seem to them to be getting the smiles that should shine on them. It would be as if the mother in the still-face paradigm not only didn’t respond to her child’s attempt to engage, but instead looked the other way and smiled at someone else. Their resentments are stereotyped as intrinsically racist or misogynist, while their own claim to victimhood is discounted.

While this story is not only racist, it clearly taps into racist sentiments. It is important to be clear about the difference between the subjective experience of white working class men and the reality. Poor and middle class whites have been sensitized to the sounds of racist dog-whistles for generations. The right-wing media machine, one that has reached its zenith in the Trump campaign, has stoked the fires of the scapegoating reflex that always seems to lie just beneath the surface of the psyches of victimized whites. Thus, it’s important to pause and recognize that the propagandistic xenophobia of the Right has helped propagate the deep story that Hochschild so empathetically tells. No one, in fact, is actually “cutting in line”—not people of color, immigrants or LGBTs. Thus, while it is still important to understand the subjective experience of her subjects is in the deepest possible way, we must also recognize the play of hidden ideologies.

The failure of our institutions to empathize with the plight of the middle and working classes, to recognize their sacrifice and reward their hard work is traumatic. It is the same type of trauma that children experience when their caretakers are preoccupied or rejecting. The trauma erodes trust. It overwhelms systems that people have developed to deal with stress and creates psychological suffering and illness.

Adults, like children, try to cope with the stress of failures of recognition in the best ways they can. They certainly get anxious and depressed and may turn to drugs and alcohol to manage these painful feelings. In addition, when social trust is weakened and people are isolated, they try to find ways to belong, to be part of a community. The Tea Party is one such community. Others turn to their church communities. Their social brains seek an experience of “we” and often do so by creating a fantasy of a “them” that they can devalue and fight. Tribalism draws from our need for relatedness but, tragically, can also pervert it. Rejected by employers and government, they reject and demean others. All the while, they are trying to deal with the pain, powerlessness, and lack of empathy that they experience in their social lives.

Donald Trump clearly spoke to this pain. He empathized with the traumatic losses and helplessness of the white middle and working classes. He helped them feel part of something bigger than themselves, a “movement,” which combatted their isolation. And he helped them restore a feeling of belonging by positioning them against demeaned others, primarily immigrants and countries on the other end of “horrible trade deals.”


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47   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (41)   2019 Jul 8, 8:53pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

DIE!, EMPATHY!, FUCKING! DIE!
48   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (4)   2019 Jul 8, 9:21pm   ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

what fucking empathy?

do liberals have empathy for families and children struggling because of all the outsourcing and illegals being brought over? (oh no, we are all racist fascist bigots here)
do fucking liberals have empathy for moms and dads trying to raise normal kids? (oh that's right, we are all homophobes!)
do liberals have empathy for soldiers who sacrificed for this country? (oh no, those are right wingers)
do they have empathy for police officers who chose career of helping communities? (oh no, they are black murderers, BLM BLM.. fuck the police)

liberals look into the fucking mirror, you'll see a rainbow colored pig!
49   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Jul 9, 12:14am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
But none of that compares to the BS Fox conjures up IN SYNC DAILY UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE GOP along with carping for civil war for 10 years, shedding tears on camera, pounding the desk, the boisterous ridicule of opposition, the laughing, the attractive women scolding the phantom opponent, all that fake emotional shit.


Again, you proffer the idea that one lone Cable News station makes up for the influence of CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, the NYT, WaPo, LA Times, etc. etc.

That's an assertion that can't be backed by facts.
50   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Jul 9, 12:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It's not Breitbart or the Proud Boys whose website and whose oath is from a Cop Killer.

That's Black Lives Matter and Asshata Shakkur.

As the dead bodies from Leftwing terrorist Micah Xavier Johnson show

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers

All kinds of things get misrepresented, of course, by the media. From the Crown Heights Riots of 1991 to Colin Ferguson to the shooting of Giffords (AND a Republican Judge and several others), the Media misrepresents or ignores many attacks. For example, the GIffords shooter was a self-described Anarchist, and Atheist, thought 9/11 was a hoax, hated George W Bush, never mentioned any Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, or any other "Right Wing Cause". He even burned a US Flag.
51   WookieMan   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 9, 4:46am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
The economy and the jobs suck for people who work.

They still are underpaid temps with no retirement and little access to health.


Then they need to get a new job or learn to save money. WTF is Trump supposed to do about that? There's plenty of opportunity out there if someone wants to get up and grab it. You have to understand the 80% of people are simply not hard/good workers. That's not something any President is supposed to or can fix.

Again, I've seen at least 5-7 guys getting paid prevailing wage (plus overtime and holiday pay sometimes) of roughly $40/hr and up to $90/hr and they pissed it away by doing a poor job or missing work and lost their job in just the last 24 months. We're talking guys setting cones down rolling down a road, easy shit. Might be hot some days, but it's simple stuff. They piss away $60-80k/yr jobs (where they also get laid off in the winter and collect unemployment) for what, to be hung over or hang out with their buddies? Or pure laziness.

You need to get out into the real world sometime. What you're reading/viewing is so far from the truth it's scary. Or open a business, provide the jobs I mention above and your tune will change pretty quickly. Getting paid a half million by putting your ass on the line owning a business and herding moronic cats is not some easy task. It's clear you've never hired or managed someone.
52   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Jul 9, 7:03am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

d6rB says
Every other candidate told them that this is their fault and they need to "learn to code", which is preposterous. Trump tapped into their anger and got elected. I do not think Trump will make their life better, but he at least pretended to care.


Note the difference in tone when the shoe was on the other foot.

When it was blue collar, it was dumbass, go learn to code. When it was college educated, often expensive lib arts college grad, losing their BuzzFeed jobs, it was how dare you say learn to code?! Shoe empathy!! And Twitter even got accounts baked just for telling laid off journos to learn to code.
53   komputodo   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 9, 8:51am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Reads like a story about whining american pussies that think they are owed something.
54   mell   ignore (2)   2019 Jul 9, 9:00am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HonkpilledMaster says
d6rB says
Every other candidate told them that this is their fault and they need to "learn to code", which is preposterous. Trump tapped into their anger and got elected. I do not think Trump will make their life better, but he at least pretended to care.


Note the difference in tone when the shoe was on the other foot.

When it was blue collar, it was dumbass, go learn to code. When it was college educated, often expensive lib arts college grad, losing their BuzzFeed jobs, it was how dare you say learn to code?! Shoe empathy!! And Twitter even got accounts baked just for telling laid off journos to learn to code.


When Obummer closed the coal plants it was fuck you! Redneck Losers! Learn something else (how to code), leftoids are the biggest hypocrites.
55   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (4)   2019 Jul 9, 9:59am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

komputodo says
Reads like a story about whining american pussies that think they are owed something.


"It's Ma'am"
56   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 9, 11:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
It's clear you've never hired or managed someone.
I'm not the subject here.

I know, you think I am. Spare me the reply.

Why is it truly stupid people invariably think they are the only ones who have a brain?
57   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Jul 9, 1:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Remember how crappy White People are?

Pelosi is warning us that Trumpler the Terrible wants to make America White Again, and prevent us from reaping the rewards of diversity, like at Disneyland or downtown Philly.
https://nypost.com/2019/07/08/pelosi-says-trump-is-trying-to-make-america-white-again-with-census-question/
58   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (4)   2019 Jul 9, 3:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HonkpilledMaster says
Remember how crappy White People are?

Pelosi is warning us that Trumpler the Terrible wants to make America White Again, and prevent us from reaping the rewards of diversity, like at Disneyland or downtown Philly.
https://nypost.com/2019/07/08/pelosi-says-trump-is-trying-to-make-america-white-again-with-census-question/


To paraphrase Jordan Peterson on diversity. "World is full of diversity, and world is full of war." There is one guarantee you get with diversity, and that is sooner or later you'll have a cultural war to divide and carve up the nation. Americas road to suicide.
59   WookieMan   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 10, 3:44am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
I'm not the subject here.


You are though. You can’t keep posting pure rubbish and not become the subject. You stated the economy is awful and people can’t retire. Why?

If you want to start your own forum, post inaccurate crap and never counter when you’re called out, Patrick can help you with that. You have the ability to create your own echo chamber. But don’t get all testy when people with a more balanced and frankly knowledgeable view on the world call you out.
60   Hircus   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 10, 12:01pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
But none of that compares to the BS Fox conjures up


You really seem blind to the divisive propaganda of the left. I saw this on Vox today, which is very typical for left wing media.



These identity-centric lies which attempt to further the agenda that "white people are evil racists" are THE REASON racial tensions are so high. Black people see this crap and think "The white ppl are killing us. Look! The media is even telling us! The politicians are even telling us! White people are RACISTS!!!!"

Supporting this vile disease called identity politics, the left's cherished creation, is despicable. You complain when white people organize to defend themselves from this crap, yet you turn a blind eye to the cause.
61   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 10, 12:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hircus says
These identity-centric lies
Hey, where is the evidence that they are lying?

AND

Ok now you are comparing Vox to Fox ... come on now, there is really no comparison there.
62   socal2   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 10, 12:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Ok now you are comparing Vox to Fox ... come on now, there is really no comparison there.


Ha ha! The juicebox mafia children running Vox are considered some sort of gold standard?

Once their venture capital money runs out, they will be unemployed like the rest of the Buzzfeed and Vice SJW activist children who spend their days writing about cats, race and gay issues and wondering why they have no paying audience.
63   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 10, 1:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

And Fox money from Murdock and friends will never run out.

Fox is the largest of MSM unlike Vox.

Fox leads the fight to keep the narrative of our 585 billionaires the normal thing to believe.

That is the cohort who remains PERFECTLY satisfied with their government, the government that is really ours.

Fox is caught making shit up more than any others except maybe the Inquirer.
64   Hircus   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 10, 1:54pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Hey, where is the evidence that they are lying?

AND

Ok now you are comparing Vox to Fox ... come on now, there is really no comparison there.


One way to lie is to give lopsided coverage. You see many headlines that reduce to "white man bad", "white man hurt a _(insert minority)". This delivers a powerful false message.

I am not, and have not, tried to compare news stations. I stated before that I think they all lie, a lot.

I am making fun of the sequence:
> left attacks white people, causing mass division and racial violence in exchange for political gain
> white people react, voting and acting to protect themselves from this attack
> left cries about their reaction, twisting their reaction to again use as "more evidence that white ppl are racist"

A decent # of my friends and family didnt like trump, but they felt it necessary to vote for him, or now finally see it, and with great reservation, plan to vote for him next election. They do not "hate brown ppl" or any of that junk. They hate the insanity dems are selling right now. They want the old dem party back, which was much more moderate and sensible.

I think it kills you that ppl vote for trump because the left sucks. You want to believe they vote for trump out of racism. It is this cognitive dissonance that makes you angry.
65   socal2   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 10, 2:01pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hircus says
I think it kills you that ppl vote for trump because the left sucks.


I didn't vote for Trump in 2016. I am in California and my vote doesn't really count anyway.

But I will crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump in 2020 - because the Democrat party has gone bat-shit crazy insane. Absolutely retarded insane. The Democrats need another 5 years in the political wilderness to learn a lesson and purge their party from insane.

Trump has governed much more conservatively than I expected and has moved the ball quite a bit in the Conservative direction.
66   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 10, 2:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hircus says
dems are selling right now.
Sanders, Gabbard and Warren are looking good.

Initially I liked Yang, but he seems like he's not quite up to par.

I like that the billionaires are terrified that the majority are going see them operating the revolving doors between government and the private sector and their media blitz to always keep us looking in the wrong place and be divided
67   Hircus   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 10, 2:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
I didn't vote for Trump in 2016. I am in California and my vote doesn't really count anyway.

But I will crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump in 2020 - because the Democrat party has gone bat-shit crazy insane.


Ditto!!

In 2016 I was interested in him, but was skeptical. I bought into the narrative that he was unhinged, and it worried me. I felt he could get the right things done, like a steamroller, but worried he may cause destruction.

But, CA is so blue that I felt my vote wouldn't matter either way, so didn't vote.

I now strongly support him, and will vote against a tidal wave of "free shit" peddling dems. Even if CA still votes blue, I'd be happy to just see some of the blue / red gap shrink.
68   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 10, 2:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hircus says
I think it kills you that ppl vote for trump because the left sucks
Forget about me I don't matter. Talk about what matters.

All white nationalists and right wing kooks vote for Trump, that's just the way it is. Trump dog-whistled the fuck out of all of them.
69   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 10, 2:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hircus says
I felt he could get the right things done, like a steamroller
He could but he is doing the exact opposite of what he campaigned on. Like all the other presidents did. Except that Obama fucked them by giving us health insurance. That was Obama's revenge.

He loaded the administration with billionaires remember? He said he was going to clean the swamp. I never saw any president cave in to power as readily as Trump. He just runs his mouth all the time saying stupider shit to keep people entertained.

Trump is certainly the fraud he always has been, probably far beyond what any of us knows about.

I made a monster post recently that pastes in exactly what those billionaires on his staff have been up to and with their lobbyists of course.

The fucktards are even rewriting the constitution. They got Trump saying that the Constitution needs rewriting, that it is a disaster. They are easing us into a direct rulership now since they have amassed dynastic wealth, eliminated taxes, created the biggest enforcement apparatus in the history of the human race, and perfected presidential security. (Obama was the proof of that, he lived)

Welcome to late-stage state capitalism/dictatorship.

Dictatorship really? Yes really. We are already there.
70   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 10, 2:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hircus says
vote against a tidal wave of "free shit"
585 billionaires already have plans for every penny of our taxes.

Free shit is for billionaires only.
71   mell   ignore (2)   2019 Jul 10, 2:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Except that Obama fucked them by giving us health insurance.


You couldn't be more wrong - Obummer fucked everybody by giving the health insurance companies more money and robbing the common taxpayer. Obummercare is worse than the system before and has been leading to a net-net decline in the health of Americans.
72   Hircus   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 10, 2:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
585 billionaires already have plans for every penny of our taxes.

Free shit is for billionaires only.


I will say it again - the fact that the dems suck so bad right now is pushing people to trump. Dems are not giving them what they want. They telling them junk like "those jobs aint comin back" and people know its crap.

I keep seeing over and over this denial that people are unhappy with the dems. "The dems are wonderful. So, the ONLY POSSIBLE reason they would vote for trump is because they must be racist." Your last post was dismissive of all the realistic gripes ppl had w/ obama. Denial.
73   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 10, 2:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hircus says
They telling them junk like "those jobs aint comin back" and people know its crap.
Not sure what this means
74   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 10, 2:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hircus says
Your last post was dismissive of all the realistic gripes ppl had w/ obama
No it wasn't

I just said we would up with health insurance when we were led to end up with no coverage at all.
75   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 10, 2:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
Obummer fucked everybody by giving the health insurance companies more money and robbing the common taxpayer
Yeah IT'S CALLED HERITAGE FOUNDATION CARE OR ROMNEYCARE. It was that or nothing when single payer was proposed.

Romney takes credit for it now.
https://www.factcheck.org/2011/03/romneycare-facts-and-falsehoods/

You knew that too.

We were supposed to get stiffed totally

Remember Republicans announcing their vows to be ungovernable? Mitch McConnell?
76   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 10, 3:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Why are you so comfortable with free stuff for the 585 billionaires? You don't really believe they are the job creators do you?
77   Hircus   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 10, 3:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Hircus says
Your last post was dismissive of all the realistic gripes ppl had w/ obama
No it wasn't


My bad, I misread it.

I agree trump is a corrupt dbag. He's very extreme - in both bad and good aspects. I don't see a better candidate right now.
78   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 10, 4:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hircus says
I don't see a better candidate right now.
The problem with a total fraudster as our leader is not just that he is so fucking embarrassing but that we are getting sold out bigger than ever while he tells us the opposite and Fox TV makes him seem real, along with talk radio, Breitbart. BUT NONE OF THEM ARE AT ALL REAL. They exist to make giving everything to 585 billionaires 'NORMAL' in EVERYONE'S MIND.

With enough repetition they know they win too regardless of what is REALLY happening. Trump is a total pussy against the billionaires and even those in his cabinet too. WE HAVE NEVER BEEN SO FUCKED even while Fox advertises Trump as the greatest president in history blah blah blah BULLSHIT. That's all. All of it is BS!

OKAY SO FAR

So far all three of these candidates are making noise like they will stand up to the fucking billionaires that want everything of our taxes and our military to get more FOR THEM overseas.

SANDERS looking good still

ELIZABETH WARREN strong comeback after that native scandal

TULSI GABBARD also stand against billionaires

All the rest of them will probably do the opposite of what they promise, just like everybody else ever did and especially Trump.
79   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 10, 4:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

VERY LIKELY

If you make a stand you are going to have to deal with your woman because women are followers. Women always look to maximize their power and prestige, they will not make a stand against the power ever IMO.

Your woman will give you no end of shit for standing against the power.
80   6rdB   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 10, 4:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
SANDERS looking good still

ELIZABETH WARREN strong comeback after that native scandal

TULSI GABBARD also stand against billionaires

NOT SURE
NO - lie for your own benefit and you lose credibility and open yourself to blackmail
YES - I gave to Gabbard campaign, first time I gave to any politician since Ron Paul. I doubt she will be chosen tho
81   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 10, 4:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

d6rB says
NO - lie for your own benefit and you lose credibility and open yourself to blackmail
Yet you are cool with Trump????

Fuckin' A man!
82   6rdB   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 10, 4:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Yet you are cool with Trump????

I do not like him, did not vote for him, did not give money to his campaign (and never will), but he was a giant FUCK YOU for the system which I appreciate. If I keep being told that i am a "Fucking White Male, Oppressor of Womyn and Minorities who should never be hired" I might vote for him, unless Ms. Gabbard is nominated, in which case i will vote for her as electing her also would be a FUCK YOU for the system where banks own everyone and everything.
83   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2019 Jul 10, 4:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
TULSI GABBARD also stand against billionaires

And war.

Why do you suppose the media is mostly ignorinf her? She's definitely a liberal but she seems well spoken, smart, and capable.
84   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (41)   2019 Jul 10, 5:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I must bite her bum.

She must understand this.
85   mell   ignore (2)   2019 Jul 10, 5:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trump / Gabbard 2020
86   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 10, 7:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
Trump / Gabbard 2020


I like Gabbard's anti-war stance, but she is pro unfettered illegal immigration.

Trump/Haley may be better. Even so, it will be Trump/Pence.

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