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How California cities are keeping tiny houses off the market

By tovarichpeter following x   2019 Mar 11, 10:05am 208 views   15 comments   watch   nsfw   quote     share    


https://triblive.com/news/valley-news-dispatch/lower-burrell-man-offering-to-sell-a-custom-built-tiny-house/

Every other house in our neighborhood in the East Bay has a travel trailer or fifth parked discreetly in the back or side yard. This is perfectly legal, as long as they don’t let anybody live in it. If however they build and anchor it to a foundation with separate utilities at a cost of approximately $50,000, then it qualifies as an ADU and it is perfectly legal for human occupancy. This is how most cities in California are preventing tiny houses from helping to solve our housing shortage.
1   Tenpoundbass   ignore (13)   2019 Mar 11, 12:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What is it 8 years later since the tiny house craze started?

Now She Sheds are the big thing. I'm working on moving my Man Cave out the back yard in a Large Shed. Either 10 by 20 or 12 by 16. I may go with the 12 foot wide dwelling.
The family is growing and family members need my indoor Office/Studio/Man Cave for a bedroom.

There's been an uptick in Large sheds in the recent years. More people are going for the biggest unit a city will allow over smaller garden sheds. in my case 200 sqft is the max.
These things are super well built, and can come with 6 inch wide metal studs, preinsulated prewired and ready to move in place. The one I'm looking at is around $6K, if I weren't getting it insulated and upgraded doors and windows, it would be around $3900. The only thing missing would be finish the interior with drywall and a split unit AC.

I bet some people live in them. When you consider what people try to get for tiny homes compared to what you get with even the best top of the line Tuff Sheds which are wood, and insulated, and are made to look like little tiny cottages, even their top of the line model goes for around $10K. The Tiny Home morons want way to much money for a glorified shed.
2   tovarichpeter   ignore (2)   2019 Mar 11, 1:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I agree the Tuff Shed ADU is a bargain.
4   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2019 Mar 11, 6:37pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says
There's been an uptick in Large sheds in the recent years. More people are going for the biggest unit a city will allow over smaller garden sheds. in my case 200 sqft is the max.
These things are super well built, and can come with 6 inch wide metal studs, preinsulated prewired and ready to move in place. The one I'm looking at is around $6K, if I weren't getting it insulated and upgraded doors and windows, it would be around $3900. The only thing missing would be finish the interior with drywall and a split unit AC.

I bet some people live in them. When you consider what people try to get for tiny homes compared to what you get with even the best top of the line Tuff Sheds which are wood, and insulated, and are made to look like little tiny cottages,


That's what I did. Here's a picture of my shed. I went the biggest I could, 200 sq. ft., without having to deal with the town with permits and all that bullshit. It's 10 x 20 and it was stick built on premises. Wifey wanted it to be "cute", so I made sure to put the nice doors on it.

5   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Mar 11, 7:33pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

If I were paranoid, I might suspect that tiny houses are being restricted exactly because they might make housing more affordable.

Mass affordable housing would make current housing stock worth less. So all the collateral that banks have if the form of high housing prices would evaporate.

Things that are bad for banks are not allowed to happen.
6   Tenpoundbass   ignore (13)   2019 Mar 11, 7:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
That's what I did. Here's a picture of my shed. I went the biggest I could, 200 sq. ft., without having to deal with the town with permits and all that bullshit. It's 10 x 20 and it was stick built on premises. Wifey wanted it to be "cute", so I made sure to put the nice doors on it.



Very Very nice, do you think it's solid enough for a 3 piece rock band to practice in without the neighbors calling the Law?
7   Tenpoundbass   ignore (13)   2019 Mar 11, 7:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Of I were paranoid, I might suspect that tiny houses are being restricted exactly because they might make housing more affordable.


Well I that might be, but actually in reality what would happen they would set the new floor for what the bottom of the barrel is in Real Estate.
If Tiny Houses are going for $96K then it can effect what a house or a Condo Values keeping them artificially inflated. Even if they weren't due for a bump.
8   AD   ignore (0)   2019 Mar 11, 7:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

They have to keep them off the market because they'll depress property values, which would affect property tax revenues.

They do not want a revolt by the Starbucks Liberals and Gated Community Democrats by allowing cheap housing to be built in their zip codes or near their zip codes.

I agree with Patrick that the banks who hold the mortgage notes to these homes in the gated communities do not want this as well.

I don't see any tradeoff benefit to the banks or the gated communities other than perhaps it may help to make the working class (i.e., the baristas who serve them at Starbucks, the nurses aides who tend to their aging parents, etc.) a little more affordable.
9   B.A.C.A.H.   ignore (0)   2019 Mar 11, 7:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says
I bet some people live in them.

Some of the homes on my street in East SJ have people living in backyard sheds, covered patio rooms, converted (and not-so-converted) garages, backyard 5th wheels, and a couple of 1970's genre RV's on the next block.

Needless to say it can be a challenge to find parking around here.
10   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (3)   2019 Mar 11, 7:50pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tiny houses would just pile people up. There needs to be more housing, but not more density. That’s what I think.
11   AD   ignore (0)   2019 Mar 11, 7:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayneIndiana says
Tiny houses would just pile people up. There needs to be more housing, but not more density. That’s what I think.


You should see the amount of people living in detached homes in places like Manassas Park, Virginia (about 20 miles east of downtown Washington DC). There are multiple families living under one roof. And then the county wonders why there are public school class oversize issues like Los Angeles. By the way, Manassas Park has the largest % of Hispanics in Virginia; about 45% of its population is Hispanic. Zip codes like this have relatively meager property value appreciation.
12   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2019 Mar 11, 8:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says
ery Very nice, do you think it's solid enough for a 3 piece rock band to practice in without the neighbors calling the Law?


Maybe not, the glass in the windows and doors isn't bullet proof/shatter proof, but I wouldn't mind the music.
13   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2019 Mar 11, 8:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Of I were paranoid, I might suspect that tiny houses are being restricted exactly because they might make housing more affordable.


Housing IS affordable, you just need to get out of the crap Bay Area and out into the real world. Trust me, there are tons more areas way more affordable and nicer to live in than S.F.
14   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2019 Mar 11, 8:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says
If Tiny Houses are going for $96K then it can effect what a house or a Condo Values keeping them artificially inflated.


You want a Tiny House? I'll build you one for half that price. I'm starting a build on a new one next week. Get your order in quickly!
15   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (3)   2019 Mar 11, 8:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

AD says
And then the county wonders why there are public school class oversize issues like Los Angeles


Lots of illegals here. They too live many families to a house often. Cities are a different story, just too many high rises, and not enough schools.

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