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How To Stop Mass Shootings

By jazz_music following x   2019 Mar 14, 11:19am 369 views   8 comments   watch   nsfw   quote     share    


https://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiamond/2015/06/18/charleston-deaths-are-an-american-tragedy-mass-shootings-are-rising/#72f9bb61787b

Mass Shootings Are Rising. Here's How To Stop Them.
Dan Diamond
"It's not a matter of if, but when and where the next mass shooting will happen," Mother Jones editor Mark Follman wrote — eight months ago.

He could've been writing on Wednesday night.

Nine people were shot and killed in Charleston, South Carolina's Emanuel AME Church.

They had met at church for bible study. Their killer appears to have walked in off the street.

"Tragedy" doesn't do it justice.

While a suspect is in custody, we still don't know key details about the shooting, which police are calling a hate crime. But we do know that it's emblematic of a deeper problem plaguing America.

The frequency of mass shootings has skyrocketed — and no one has been able to stop it.

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It's important to be clear here. Yes, mass shootings remain exceedingly rare compared to overall firearm deaths. (About 34,000 people died from being shot in 2013, versus 40-odd people killed in mass shootings.)

But mass shootings can be so devastating because they frequently touch the youngest and most vulnerable members of our society. Take school shootings: Between 2000 and 2010, there were as many multi-fatality school shootings in the United States as there were in China, England, France, Germany, India, Russia and 30 other countries — combined.

And the overall trend is very, very disturbing.

According to a report released last October, researchers at the Harvard School of Public Health found that the rate of all mass shootings in America had essentially tripled in the previous three years.

Between 1982 and late 2011, mass shootings occurred about every 200 days. But after September 2011, the rate of mass shootings increased to about once every 64 days, according to the Harvard researchers.

And they can't explain why.

"While many mass shooters had mental-health problems," the researchers write, "there is no reason to believe that there has been an increase in mental illness rates in the last several years that could help explain the rise in mass shootings."

However, experts do think there are ways to stop mass shooters, or at least reduce their risk. Here are three of the leading ideas.

1. Do better screening for risk factors.

Psychiatrists say that it's incredibly difficult to forecast potential killers, and we certainly don't want to proactively arrest every angry person who happens to have a gun.

But researchers say that with mass murderers, there are typically red flags in hindsight, which could have been identified through comprehensive screening and led to early interventions.

Take Elliot Rodger, the troubled California student who went on a shooting spree at UC-Santa Barbara last May. Police had actually questioned Rodger in 2013, after Rodger reportedly attacked someone, and again checked in with him just three weeks before Rodger committed mass murder. Yet both times, they let Rodger go.

"Police might have done more to find out about access to firearms, just given the family's concern about Rodger’s emotional state," Duke professor Jeffrey Swanson argued in an interview with the Washington Post last year. "There's no reason that police responding to people in crisis couldn't routinely address gun risk - talk about it, try to remove guns in various ways - instead of focusing on trying to predict when exactly somebody is going to be violent."

2. Don't glorify the shooter.

Mass shooters typically have personality disorders and feel marginalized by society. As such, there may be a copycat effect at work — some shooters want to revel in the massive media attention that comes with committing a horrible act.

But withholding that attention may dim the appeal of mass shootings, experts say. Especially if killers are isolated from their potential audience and never publicized in the media, just as we would isolate someone with a contagious disease.

"Treating mass killings as a kind of epidemic or contagion largely frees us from having to understand the particular causes of each act," Ari Schulman writes at the Wall Street Journal. "Instead, we can focus on disrupting the spread."

3. Pass stricter gun controls.

After a mass shooter murdered 35 people in Australia in 1996, the nation enacted strict gun control laws — and as of 2013, they hadn't had a mass shooting since, Will Oremus wrote at Slate.

The plan included many ideas that would be anathema in the United States: Australia repurchased more than 600,000 shotguns and rifles, nixed private sales of firearms, and dramatically raised the bar for would-be gun owners.

Australia's gun controls turned out to be wildly successful, but the nation's prime minister doubted that Americans would have the will to make a similar move.

"Millions of law-abiding Americans truly believe that it is safer to own a gun, based on the chilling logic that because there are so many guns in circulation, one's own weapon is needed for self-protection," Australia's PM John Howard wrote in an op-ed.

"To put it another way, the situation is so far gone there can be no turning back."
1   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (4)   2019 Mar 14, 11:49am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This whole article is wrong.

For starters, most mass shootings aren't in schools and not by kids. The ones that make the TV are.

The vast, vast majority of mass shootings happen in Chicago, Detroit, South Central, and usually don't involve kids.

But the wokeist most socially justified don't care, because that means they would have to criticize a protected oppressed minority they depend on for elections.

Instead, it is celebrated in pop culture. Got hollow points for the snitches! Rat ta tat tat like dis and like dat.
2   HEYYOU   ignore (26)   2019 Mar 14, 12:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The Right to keep & bear shall not be infringed regardless of how many Rep/Cons are killed & injured.
3   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2019 Mar 14, 1:34pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Mass Shootings Are Rising. Here's How To Stop Them.
Dan Diamond


What do we know about Dan Diamond:

I write sharp takes on the health, policy and wonk news of the day.

..., and a social media junkie. Posts are eclectic; views are personal. Let me know what I've missed


Well Dan, you missed a bunch..

First, this article was written: Jun 18, 2015, 04:30am

jazz_music says
It's important to be clear here. Yes, mass shootings remain exceedingly rare compared to overall firearm deaths. (About 34,000 people died from being shot in 2013, versus 40-odd people killed in mass shootings.)


And there's where he twists the narrative. The majority of that 34,000 are suicides, by people who have mental issues and want to kill themselves. To try and lump them into "Mass Murders" is just more TDS on display.

jazz_music says
"While many mass shooters had mental-health problems," the researchers write, "there is no reason to believe that there has been an increase in mental illness rates in the last several years that could help explain the rise in mass shootings."


It doesn't matter if there's an increase, we're only talking about a handful of mentally deranged people doing these shootings in a population of 320 million. Crazy will ALWAYS be walking around.
4   WillPowers   ignore (0)   2019 Mar 14, 6:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Freedom and liberty have a price. If you are for free speech then you have to put with hearing shit you don't like, like this news propaganda piece you shared which glosses over the facts and fails to show both sides of the argument. Like in the case of Roger, who police "let Rodger go" twice before he went on a shooting rampage. Maybe the police didn't have a good reason to arrest him. Maybe that would have been a violation of his civil liberties. The article doesn't explain, only leaves the impression in the readers mind that this could have been avoided.

That is the price of having freedoms. Perhaps you are for a police state where no one has the right to own a gun. The article advocates for gun confiscation laws. Maybe you are for a Soviet style democracy where the citizens have the right to shut up and eat crow.

Remember what Benjamin Franklin said about trading your freedoms for safety. Those who so choose safety over freedom deserve neither freedom nor safety. I paraphrase.
5   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2019 Mar 14, 6:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WillPowers says
The article advocates for gun confiscation laws

what circumstances?
6   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2019 Mar 14, 6:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Read the other thread about Australia and how they stopped mass shootings completely with a few laws.

Because we have these examples it seems that there is no debate any more.

Just do it or not.

Maybe tweak the Australian approach.

Does everything have to be an unsolvable problem for poor America? With endless debates and any solutions never good enough?

Just because profitability for political donors is involved?
7   Hugolas_Madurez   ignore (4)   2019 Mar 14, 6:58pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Read the other thread about Australia and how they stopped mass shootings


Except they didn't:





8   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2019 Mar 14, 7:04pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Read the other thread about Australia and how they stopped mass shootings completely with a few laws.

Because we have these examples it seems that there is no debate any more.

Just do it or not.

Maybe tweak the Australian approach.

Does everything have to be an unsolvable problem for poor America? With endless debates and any solutions never good enough?

Just because profitability for political donors is involved?


Australia is not USA. It is pedantic to think to even compare the two.

The quote above said "it seems there is no debate anymore." I'd be happy to debate that.

mass shootings are being used as propaganda to distract people from the real problems of the modern world. The rich contol (nearly) everything that is why the rich are funding gun control propaganda. They want to be the only ones with guns.

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