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It's Happening!!! Trump signs EO tying Higher Ed Funding to Free Speech


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2019 Mar 21, 9:32pm   1,903 views  22 comments

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Under the order, the schools will themselves certify whether they are protecting students’ free speech rights, which are already guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment.

The order requires that schools ensure they allow students to express themselves in order to receive funds from 12 federal agencies that help fund universities and colleges.

Trump administration officials have suggested that the rights of speakers on college campuses have been trampled by student protesters, and that conservatives have been unfairly targeted.

Trump, who regularly decries the media as “fake news” and calls defamation laws “a sham,” has threatened retaliatory action related to free speech issues where he says the rights of conservatives are under attack.


In signing the order at the White House on Thursday, Trump took the fight to campuses, which receive billions of dollars a year from the federal government, including more than $30 billion for research.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-colleges/trump-signs-executive-free-speech-order-for-u-s-colleges-idUSKCN1R22G0?feedType=patrick.net

Biased Edge in italics. Defamation and News Presentation are about the accuracy/harm of speech, not about whether it is free or not.

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1   Patrick   2019 Mar 21, 9:36pm  

Oh man, that would be so fantastic!

It's almost too much to hope for - actual protection for freedom of speech.
2   Patrick   2019 Mar 21, 9:39pm  

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Thursday signed an executive order linking “free speech” efforts at public universities to federal grants in an effort to combat what he considers a clamp down on conservative students’ abilities to share their views.

Under the order, the schools will themselves certify whether they are protecting students’ free speech rights, which are already guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment.

The order requires that schools ensure they allow students to express themselves in order to receive funds from 12 federal agencies that help fund universities and colleges.

Trump administration officials have suggested that the rights of speakers on college campuses have been trampled by student protesters, and that conservatives have been unfairly targeted.

Trump, who regularly decries the media as “fake news” and calls defamation laws “a sham,” has threatened retaliatory action related to free speech issues where he says the rights of conservatives are under attack.

In signing the order at the White House on Thursday, Trump took the fight to campuses, which receive billions of dollars a year from the federal government, including more than $30 billion for research. ...

A senior U.S. administration official said schools, not the government, would attest to their compliance with the executive order.


I love it all except for that last line. Of course all schools will "attest" that they are not fucking over conservatives while continuing to fuck them over.
3   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Mar 21, 9:43pm  

Patrick says
I love it all except for that last line. Of course all schools will "attest" that they are not fucking over conservatives while continuing to fuck them over.



Yeah, that's the problem. It all depends on the wording. They may entrap themselves to look ridiculous, by claiming something that turns out to be demonstrably false.
4   marcus   2019 Mar 21, 9:56pm  

The excessive SJW nonsense on campuses would be going away anyway (or at least decreasing ALOT) becasue of maret competition and the respected people like Jonthon Haidt and Jordan Peterson campaigning against the lack of "diversity of thought" on campuses these days.

Schools can market themselves as pro free speech, and more and more young people get it, about the far left.

There's still a market place of ideas out there and colleges are losing ground if they don't snap out of it.

Trump getting involved actually hurts the cause.
5   marcus   2019 Mar 21, 9:58pm  

Really ? The word young gets the red you ? C'mon patrick.
6   SunnyvaleCA   2019 Mar 21, 11:55pm  

Schools like to claim that they need to hire additional security when conservatives come to speak. No. They need to throw the badly-behaving students out of school and file a restraining order. That behavior is not a problem of the speaker; it's a problem of the admissions policies.
8   Bd6r   2019 Mar 22, 9:13am  

marcus says
The excessive SJW nonsense on campuses would be going away anyway

Doubt it - as of now, it is increasing. Even in TX this nonsense is rearing its ugly head.

SunnyvaleCA says
They need to throw the badly-behaving students out of school and file a restraining order. That behavior is not a problem of the speaker; it's a problem of the admissions policies.

But then they will lose oversized tuition money from the student! As we all know, it is a SACRAMENT! to fuck students over with $50K tuition while giving them in return valuable skills in ethnic and gender studies.
9   NDrLoR   2019 Mar 22, 9:52am  

marcus says
The word young gets the red you
So does Youtube--any word with you in it.
10   Heraclitusstudent   2019 Mar 22, 10:06am  

marcus says
respected people like Jonthon Haidt and Jordan Peterson campaigning against the lack of "diversity of thought" on campuses these days.


These people are not "respected". They are hated by the left.
Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris were just all but blamed for the NZ attack in such mainstream venues as the New York Times, because of their demanding the right to criticize Islam.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/16/opinion/sunday/muslims-mosque-shooting-new-zealand.html
12   Tenpoundbass   2019 Mar 22, 10:14am  

He needed a broader reach.
And I say also revoke Student Aid at those Schools.

It's the Students that's doing Soros bidding. Make Soros and Alynski foot the bill for educating their Minions.
13   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2019 Mar 22, 11:19am  

Please do the same for schools practicing race-based discrimination.
14   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Mar 22, 4:52pm  

Why can’t schools just educate, instead of doing every other fucking thing they were not intended for.
16   anonymous   2019 Mar 23, 1:31am  

Trump’s Free-Speech Executive Order and the Right’s Fixation on Campus Politics

Exactly a year ago, at a forum for millennial Republicans at the White House, President Trump was asked by Charlie Kirk, the founder of the conservative youth group Turning Point USA, what he made of recent controversies involving the free-speech rights of conservatives on college campuses.

You go to the real campuses, and you go all over the country, you go out to the Middle West, you go out even to the coast in many cases, we have tremendous support,” he replied breezily, brushing off the purported crisis.“I would say we have majority support. I think it’s highly overblown. Highly overblown.”

He has since been better at sticking to the script. In a White House ceremony on Thursday afternoon, Trump signed an executive order barring colleges that are deemed unduly restrictive of free speech from receiving federal funds—a move that was previewed in the President’s speech to this year’s CPAC conference, earlier this month, and in a tweet that he posted in early 2017, in response to protests that had broken out at U.C. Berkeley over a scheduled appearance by the right-wing agitator Milo Yiannopoulos: “If U.C. Berkeley does not allow free speech and practices violence on innocent people with a different point of view - NO FEDERAL FUNDS?”

“Under the guise of speech codes, safe spaces, and trigger warnings,” Trump said on Thursday, “these universities have tried to restrict free thought, impose total conformity, and shut down the voices of great young Americans like those here today. All of that changes starting right now.”

One of the young Americans who was invited to speak at the signing ceremony was Ellen Wittman, of Miami University in Ohio, who had run a pro-life group on campus. “Universities are supposed to be marketplaces of ideas,” she said solemnly during her turn at the lectern. “They should be encouraging free speech, not shutting it down.”

According to Trump, Wittman had been told in 2017 to put a “trigger warning” next to her group’s annual display of crosses honoring aborted fetuses. In fact, according to a lawsuit against the university that was filed on Wittman’s behalf, her organization had simply been asked to put up signs that read “The Students for Life are displaying their annual Cross Display from October 29th–November 5th. Please contact Ellie Wittman with questions.” This, administrators said, was in keeping with regulations aimed at allowing students to view or not view campus displays as they wished, although Whitman claimed that other student organizations hadn’t been asked to put up similar signs.

This is the kind of college-administrative minutiae—material for a page-B story in a campus newspaper—that conservative and mainstream journalists have spent the past several years reframing as creeping totalitarianism. (It should be said that the small boom in campus stories that began with dustups at Yale and the University of Missouri, in 2015, seems to have died down in the mainstream press.) But the right thrives on tales like this, and has been eager to see Trump stick it to liberal campuses for some time. In October, 2017, the American Enterprise Institute published a report recommending that federal funding for schools thought to be insufficiently protective of free speech be withheld either by legislation, at the discretion of grant-making agencies, or, as Trump has now done, by executive action.

Interestingly, just months earlier, A.E.I. had issued another report, based on survey data, that challenged the panic over free speech and expression on campuses. “Recent protests against speakers at different colleges have raised questions about free speech on campus, with some critics characterizing universities as increasingly intolerant,” the report’s summary read. “Polls of college students and young people show little evidence of such a trend, although responses differ depending on the nature of the speech in question.”

The right’s fixation on campus politics has never had much to do with realities on the ground, of course. William F. Buckley’s jeremiad against the power and influence of leftists in the academy, “God and Man at Yale,” was published in 1951, a time when leftists were being hounded out of their jobs at American universities and elsewhere by a Second Red Scare.

The victimization narrative has changed little since then, even as the conservative movement has come to wield an extraordinary amount of power in American politics and life—so much so that they’ve managed to enlist a President of the United States as an ally in their undergraduate squabbles.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/current/trumps-free-speech-executive-order-and-the-rights-fixation-with-campus-politics
17   anonymous   2019 Mar 24, 7:45am  

Trump Wants Appeals Court to Let Him Block Critics on Twitter.

Judge ruled last year that president’s account is public forum - Trump says account is personal and not government controlled

U.S. President Donald Trump doesn’t take kindly to his Twitter critics, and like many users of the social network he’s used the block function to prevent them from engaging with him.

But for much of the past year, Trump has been constrained by a federal judge’s ruling that he couldn’t block users because his account is a public forum. On Tuesday, lawyers for the president will urge an appeals court in Manhattan to overturn that ruling, arguing that the account belongs to him personally and isn’t controlled by the government.

The case is likely to help further clarify how government officials will be able to communicate on social media as the networks become further ingrained in daily life. While U.S. District Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald’s ruling in May isn’t the only one to find that a public official can’t block critics on the networks, it’s the first to apply to the president’s feed.

"It’s a hugely significant case in terms of how government officials can use social media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter and whom they can permissibly block from following them," said Clay Calvert, director of the Marion B. Brechner First Amendment Project at the University of Florida.

"Government officials can still have private accounts without triggering First Amendment concerns if they use those accounts only for non-governmental purposes,” he added. “But when it’s Trump and he uses Twitter on a daily and nightly basis to comment on government issues and to criticize politicians, then that is where the First Amendment comes into play.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-24/trump-wants-appeals-court-to-let-him-block-critics-on-twitter?srnd=premium

Trump tweets because it allows him to express random thoughts without any discussion or going into anything resembling depth. Holding a press conference would require he respond to questions he can't intelligently answer. He literally thinks in 140 characters or less....
18   Onvacation   2019 Mar 24, 8:22am  

Kakistocracy says
Trump tweets because it allows him to express random thoughts without any discussion or going into anything resembling depth. Holding a press conference would require he respond to questions he can't intelligently answer. He literally thinks in 140 characters or less....

In other words TDS denies there is a problem.
19   MrMagic   2019 Mar 24, 8:25am  

Booger says
The victimization narrative has changed little since then,


20   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Mar 24, 11:03am  

Kakistocracy says
Judge ruled last year that president’s account is public forum


Hmmm, if Trump's Twitter is a Public Forum...

... then how can Twitter not be...
21   cmdrda2leak   2019 Mar 24, 11:07am  

MisterLearnToCode says
Kakistocracy says
Judge ruled last year that president’s account is public forum


Hmmm, if Trump's Twitter is a Public Forum...

... then how can Twitter not be...


Twitter is like a particle / wave duality. It is both until observed. If something causes liability for Twitter, it collapses into a neutral public forum, protected by CDA section 230. If wrongthink posters are ghosted or banned, it collapses into a publisher, with a private right to select their content.
22   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Mar 24, 11:18am  

Exactly. The GOPe Congress could have done something about this in all the hearings they had.

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