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Trump has brought us much greater peace and prosperity than any other president in decades

By Patrick following x   2019 Mar 23, 9:37am 1,693 views   134 comments   watch   nsfw   quote     share    


No matter what you think of Trump the person, he has so far led us to much greater peace and prosperity than we had before him.

* No new wars. In fact, Trump has been extricating our military from unwise incursions, in Syria, for example
* Record stock market highs
* Tax cuts for the large majority of US citizens
* Dramatic increase in US manufacturing jobs
* The economy has achieved the longest positive job-growth streak ever
* Black unemployment at record low
* Overall unemployment lowest in nearly 50 years
* Repealed Obamacare mandate for the self-employed to pay private insurers whatever they demand
* Greatly improved relations between US and N. Korea, and N. and S. Korea too
* Confronted China and other countries about unfair trade deals which were sucking jobs out of the US
* ISIS-held territory wiped out
* Signed executive order requiring universities to protect free speech on campus or lose federal funding
* Signed order requiring hospitals to publish price lists

None of these are even debatable. They are objective facts.

http://www.magapill.com/

https://www.redstate.com/diary/davenj1/2019/03/21/trumps-greatest-accomplishment-date/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trumps-list-289-accomplishments-in-just-20-months-relentless-promise-keeping

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1   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (3)   2019 Mar 23, 9:40am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Economy is really good now. That’s for sure. I worry about California though.

We have high taxes here, when economy does eventual bell curve, shit will be bad here. Pensions are underfunded, which means services get cut and taxes constantly increased to pay that.
2   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Mar 23, 9:42am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

That's all the fault of California alone.
3   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (3)   2019 Mar 23, 9:47am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Government gave all unions nice golden parachutes. Their corporate friends are well cared for too. Taxpayers can’t prevent that. Taxpayers are individuals, unions are collective. 10,000 vs 1 is kind of one sided. That’s how it feels.

Patrick says
That's all the fault of California alone.
4   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (3)   2019 Mar 23, 9:52am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Trump is amazing, and none of his deeds are celebrated, much less acknowledged.

The only thing the media acknowledges is: "The Assistant Deputy Secretary of Agriculture resigned yesterday. Is this the end of the Trump Administration? Also: Why Don Junior and Ivanka will be charged by the SDNY after Mueller provides irrefutable evidence the Trump Family is like Hitler."
5   d6rB   ignore (1)   2019 Mar 23, 9:57am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Trump has brought us much greater peace and prosperity than any other president in decades

Agreed about peace - as a minimum, he has not started any new wars.
The prosperity has been bought by unfunded tax cuts, thus planting a bomb under prosperity of future generations.
6   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (3)   2019 Mar 23, 10:18am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Between the Trade Deficit and Repatriating Earnings, the USA loses about $1T in Economic Activity, and thus likely around $300B in all Taxes, which would go a long way to reducing the Trade Deficit. More if IP theft is included, and much more if there was a 50% US-made value added requirement for non-North American based car manufacturers not to be subject to a whopping tariff.
7   d6rB   ignore (1)   2019 Mar 23, 10:44am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MisterLearnToCode says
IP theft

That part is 90+ % fault of companies. Eg Siemens sells a high-speed train to China, and now Chinese have a beautiful fleet of high-speed trains which are clones of that train. Pharma outsources something to China in order to save little bit of money (so that CEO can buy second helicopter), and suddenly all IP is known to Chinese and copied by them.

Edit: and just like some Patnetters here (quite justifiably) gloat about our left-wing comrades who were telling us for the longest time that Trump will be indicted by Mueller tomorrow, I am fairly certain that our left wing comrades will get back at majority here when Trump tax cuts finally detonate US budget.
8   just_dregalicious   ignore (0)   2019 Mar 23, 12:07pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

d6rB says
The prosperity has been bought by unfunded tax cuts,


Or inadequate spending reductions.
9   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Mar 23, 12:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

d6rB says
The prosperity has been bought by unfunded tax cuts, thus planting a bomb under prosperity of future generations.


@d6rB I'm not entirely sure about that. What would be the exact mechanism?

The US has a debt of about 100% of GDP. So it would take one year of GDP to pay it off. We're not nearly in as much debt per person as, say, Japan is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt
10   porkchopexpress   ignore (0)   2019 Mar 23, 1:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Winning.

I do wish he wouldn't act petty at times, but I'll take that any day of the week for MAGA
11   d6rB   ignore (1)   2019 Mar 23, 2:34pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
I'm not entirely sure about that. What would be the exact mechanism?

The US has a debt of about 100% of GDP. So it would take one year of GDP to pay it off. We're not nearly in as much debt per person as, say, Japan is:

If we extrapolate this idea, we do not need to work. Lets just borrow money and magically all will be fine...why not abolish all taxes then?
Japan will blow up as well in one or another way eventually. Only it will be more peaceful than US because it is more homogeneous and Japanese tend to follow rules.
12   d6rB   ignore (1)   2019 Mar 23, 2:51pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

just_dregalicious says
Or inadequate spending reductions.

Agreed - but in order to reduce taxes, one needs to cut spending first.
13   Quigley   ignore (0)   2019 Mar 23, 2:55pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

There was no need to cut taxes on the ultra wealthy in that tax bill. Especially since they made up the difference by eliminating a lot of tax breaks for the middle class. No more can we write off tools of our trade or union dues. And the SALT taxes do hurt much more for those of us unlucky enough to be in high tax states. Do you think our state governments will reduce taxes in response?
Fuck no.
14   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Mar 23, 3:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
We're not nearly in as much debt per person as, say, Japan is:


Makes me feel much much better.

While we are trumpeting the success of the Golden Golem - what happened to the Infrastructure Package ?

Hey, speaking of the Infrastructure Package and how much we will need to borrow think anyone in the administration has factored this in yet ?

Midwest floods: Ruptured levees could cost billions to repair

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/flooding-in-the-midwest-ruptured-levees-along-missouri-river-could-cost-billions-to-repair/

That's just a guesstimate on the levees with no mention of the rest of the losses and hit(s) to the GDP that is coming from the flooding that is going to go on for weeks
15   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Mar 23, 3:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Greatly improved relations between US and N. Korea, and N. and S. Korea too


Moon, Xi and Kim
16   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Mar 23, 3:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
ISIS-held territory wiped out


Kind of sort of but not really and they will be back in a big way
17   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Mar 23, 3:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Confronted China and other countries about unfair trade deals which were sucking jobs out of the US


And imposed tar riffs which the American consumers are paying for
18   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Mar 23, 3:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Overall unemployment lowest in nearly 50 years


Labor force participation rate ?

What kind of jobs, minimum wage, benefits included, living wages ?
19   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Mar 23, 3:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Signed executive order requiring universities to protect free speech on campus or lose federal funding
* Signed order requiring hospitals to publish price lists


Which they are fighting and doing at a turtle's pace
20   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Mar 23, 3:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Tax cuts for the large majority of US citizens


The Middle Class cuts are not permanent and phase out after 10 years but not for the top tier
21   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Mar 23, 3:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
hey are objective facts.


Can you please post some objective facts from sources other than right and far right biased sources ?
22   just_dregalicious   ignore (0)   2019 Mar 23, 3:46pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
reduce taxes in response?
Fuck no.


Hahaha.. Yeah.. I don't know where it went but I recall hearing something last year on the radio that some CA state politicians wanted to 'claw back', benefits from our FED tax reductions.
24   Quigley   ignore (0)   2019 Mar 23, 5:18pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

just_dregalicious says

Hahaha.. Yeah.. I don't know where it went but I recall hearing something last year on the radio that some CA state politicians wanted to 'claw back', benefits from our FED tax reductions.


Fuck all Democrat slavers.
26   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (3)   2019 Mar 23, 8:39pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        



We all remember how tough Obama and the Democratic Congress were in 2008-2009 when it came to holding those banks accountable.
27   BayArea   ignore (1)   2019 Mar 23, 9:06pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I was very skeptical when he got elected but he’s been amazing. Easily the greatest president of my lifetime.
28   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Mar 23, 9:06pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Kakistocracy says
Patrick says
hey are objective facts.


Can you please post some objective facts from sources other than right and far right biased sources ?


@Kakistocracy which of the facts I listed in the OP can even be debated? They are all very easily looked up and confirmed.
29   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (3)   2019 Mar 23, 9:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

They still do.

LA is already arming to add another parcel tax.

just_dregalicious says
Quigley says
reduce taxes in response?
Fuck no.


Hahaha.. Yeah.. I don't know where it went but I recall hearing something last year on the radio that some CA state politicians wanted to 'claw back', benefits from our FED tax reductions.
30   marcus   ignore (7)   2019 Mar 23, 10:29pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
None of these are even debatable. They are objective facts.


Keep lying to yourself. We get it. You voted for TRump.

His Tax and tarrif policies are a disaster. How can running record deficits in supposedly great economic times be good ? DO you understand that most spending is somewhat fixed and not tied to the economy ? What happens when we have a recession and revenues drop and govt spending stays close to the same ? You better hope a democrat in in power so you dishonest hypocrites ("deficits are VERY VERY bad") can pin int on him or her. I know, you think that would be pretty cool. I say most or republicans (especially Trump Cucks) are totally dishonest scumbags.

TRump has gutted environmental regulations and more or less everything Obama did. The magnitude of his undoing of what the previous President did is unprecedented and it's a massively polarizing political move. IT's like some kind of assinine throwing down of the gauntlet. TRump will be seen as the most polarizing President ever. You may be jumping with glee that he totally spits on Obama's legacy.

Globally Trump is the laughing stock of the world and our image and reputation has taken a profoundly MASSIVE drop. It's a testament to the bubbles we live in now, that anyone can in their heart of hearts actually believe that Trump has been good for this country.

How do you square all the lies told about deficits when Obama was President ? Back then deficits were bad (I mean really scary terrible) even in deep recessions.

Dramatic increase in Manufacturing ? Give me a break, it's a smaller percentage of our economy than it was in 2011. The gross manufacturing jobs are no where near where they were in 2008

35   marcus   ignore (7)   2019 Mar 23, 10:53pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

There are honest and intelligent conservatives.

36   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Mar 24, 1:19am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
@Kakistocracy which of the facts I listed in the OP can even be debated? They are all very easily looked up and confirmed.


@Patrick - They are for the most part meaningless talking points lacking depth and detail which when digging further reveals the hollowness of them.

None of them really demonstrate any leadership (capable or otherwise) on the part of Trump.

In the 24 months the GOP had control of the White House, Senate and House the only meaningful piece of legislation to come out of that was the tax bill to appease the owners of the country as well as the elected officials. That would not have happened if the midterms were not in play.

Toss in a couple of executive orders - what else ?

How about some defining moments of "true leadership" in all of the national crisis moments we are having which also seem to fade from the headlines 3 or 4 days after being declared while the next distraction is unveiled.

No Health Care Reform, No Infrastructure Package, No Wall - nothing that really benefits the middle and lower middle class voters that put him in office.

Point # 1. The U.S. has not been engaged in an “official” declared war in decades. We are still aiding and abetting the House of Saud in Yemen, dying to get involved in Iran, possibly Venezuela. He has brought on board Elliot Abrams on John Bolton. The military extractions are not going as planned.

Define/name a policy, piece of legislation that shows a direct causal relationship between Trump, his “leadership” and lack of an "official" new war. We have "police" actions etc. all over, getting deeper into shit in Africa and god only knows what hasn't been uncovered.

Point # 2. Define/name a policy, piece of legislation that shows a direct causal relationship between Trump, his “leadership” and the stock market performance. By the way if he is responsible for the upswing, then he takes responsibility for the downswing - not the Fed, not China, not Mncuhin, - Trump owns it both ways or no way.

Point # 3. The “Tax Cuts and Jobs Act” was hammered out by Ryan and McConnell in particular, especially the latter. Other than uttering threats show a direct causal relationship between Trump’s “leadership” and passage of the legislation.

Point #4. Define “dramatic increase” - The “Tax Cuts and Jobs Act” has enabled rounds of stock buybacks, not exactly been the windfall of jobs coming back to the country as in the advertising.

Other than uttering threats, show a direct causal relationship between Trump’s “leadership” and jobs coming back that in a lot of cases would have come back regardless because it is getting cheaper to make some things here now when factoring in wages in China and the supply chain costs to get the stuff back here.

Point #5. Define/name a policy, piece of legislation that shows a direct causal relationship between Trump, his “leadership” and the length of positive economic job growth streak that may or may not have occurred with or without him.

Point #6. Define/name a policy, piece of legislation that shows a direct causal relationship between Trump, his “leadership” and the lower black unemployment rate which by the way still is not worth a shit but may or may not have occurred with or without him.

Point #7. Define/name a policy, piece of legislation that shows a direct causal relationship between Trump, his “leadership” and the lower overall unemployment rate that still cleverly omits the job participation rate. Just like Obama those numbers are highly questionable.

Point #8. What has this been replaced with? How is the replacement better and why?

Point #9. Define/name a policy, piece of legislation that shows a direct causal relationship between Trump, his “leadership” and goings on over on the Korean Peninsula. Spin it as you may, Xi, Moon and Kim deserve the credit, Trump showed up for a photo op – twice.

Point #10. “Confronted” China and other countries about unfair trade deals which were sucking jobs out of the US – they are still doing it, the trade deal with China is a constantly moving deadline/set of goalposts, has not “resolved” much of anything with anyone, stuck the American consumers with the cost of tariffs, proved Trade Wars are Not Easy to Win, - still waiting for the adult leader to show up.

Confronting is one thing – achieving measurable results is another (still waiting) and with the 2020 elections coming up be careful – this is a photo op type of leader

Point #11. Kind of sort of in a roundabout way of looking at things but not really. Abū Bakr al-Baghdadi is still around, nice headlines but meaningless since we will be doing this again really soon. The Mission Accomplished banner has been hung up prematurely again.

Points #12 & 13. Nice headlines, the base sucks it up but no real teeth or enforcement mechanisms while point #12 I covered here: http://patrick.net/post/1323295?offset=0#comment-1579869

Once again – the sources used to gather the facts are not “objective” unless one considers heavy bias to the left or right “objective” but they are nice talking points to fire up the base and make the inept look capable.
37   Booger   ignore (2)   2019 Mar 24, 4:49am   ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Kakistocracy says
@Patrick - They are for the most part meaningless talking points lacking depth and detail which when digging further reveals the hollowness of them.

None of them really demonstrate any leadership (capable or otherwise) on the part of Trump.


38   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Mar 24, 4:59am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I can easily accept Trump won, as a matter of fact as I have stated many times before better Trump in the White House than Pence. With Trump you have a daily clown show, with Pence something would actually get done and it wouldn't be good things that get done either.
39   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2019 Mar 24, 5:05am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says


This is much worse than Watergate. Just wait Marcus, you'll find the cheese eventually.
40   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2019 Mar 24, 5:09am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Booger says
Kakistocracy says
@Patrick - They are for the most part meaningless talking points lacking depth and detail which when digging further reveals the hollowness of them.

None of them really demonstrate any leadership (capable or otherwise) on the part of Trump.




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