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1   Goran_K   ignore (3)   2019 May 10, 9:17am   ↑ like (8)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Less democrats. Far less.
2   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (5)   2019 May 10, 10:15am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Probably, but the Democrats have held everything in the state for quite a while and instead of designing a light rail system along the freeways and main streets in Los Angeles, the idiots proposed a totally unneeded rail system that will now connect Bakersfield and Merced.

Good job California Dems!
3   Blue   ignore (0)   2019 May 10, 11:10am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Fake news, its a generic show off meeting. Having an idea is not enough, it has to be market driven to make it happen.
CA housing is broken because of the disconnect from the market by Prop 13.
CA Prop 13 is worst than the disease that it was trying to cure, now what you observer in CA is its worst effects.
Repeal CA Prop 13 along with all tons of amendments and related legislation to restore market economy back and make CA great again.
Without CA Prop 13 repeal, do not expect any more significant building activity in CA.
4   OccasionalCortex   ignore (3)   2019 May 10, 11:12am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

No light rail system in America operates in the black. They are all subsidized. Else, a ride would cost ~$11 minimum.

This is why we should be building PRT instead.

http://www.gettherefast.org/

http://www.gettherefast.org/netadvantage.html

Only PRT is scalable horizontally and thus viable for California suburbs, unlike light rail.
5   Tenpoundbass   ignore (14)   2019 May 10, 11:12am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Needs less people so the Liberals can learn to scrub their own shit out of their underwear.

CA needs a depressed Real Estate market, because all of their pigeons they pluck and depend on all bailed to a new booming City.
We need 10 new booming and growing Cities in America. It would make the Liberals, Socialists and Progressives about as unpopular and brunt of every Joke they were for a good 20 years after Carter left office.
6   Tenpoundbass   ignore (14)   2019 May 10, 11:18am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

What the FUCK!!?!? That sounded like someone on the Good Coke we used to get in the 80's trying to explain the Universe but not making one connected thought.

All I can think about by reading that, is Richard Pryor saying "Everybody go back to work…Because this is a business, and we’re in the business of being in business and we’re doing business and nobody’s business…Do it! Business. Good! I want business done…Just the way it should be!" in Brewster's Millions.


OccasionalCortex says
This is why we should be building PRT instead. https://staff.washington.edu/jbs/itrans/PRT/
7   Iranian_Oil_Burse   ignore (5)   2019 May 10, 1:19pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

OccasionalCortex says
No light rail system in the world operates in the black. They are all subsidized.


FIFY
9   Booger   ignore (3)   2019 May 11, 5:48pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Deport all the illegal aliens. Easier and cheaper than building new roads and housing.
10   TrumpingTits   ignore (1)   2019 May 11, 9:09pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hat says
Even cheaper - mind our own fucking business and stop screwing around in every god damn country on earth to promote "democracy" and or regime change that benefits an extremely small percentage of Americans and their allies.


Sorry, but...We're America, Bitch! (and if Libtards don't like it, too damn bad!)

11   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (5)   2019 May 11, 9:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hat says
Booger says
Deport all the illegal aliens. Easier and cheaper than building new roads and housing.


Even cheaper - mind our own fucking business and stop screwing around in every god damn country on earth to promote "democracy" and or regime change that benefits an extremely small percentage of Americans and their allies.


Probably should address that to presidents Reagan, Clinton, Bush, and Obama.

It ain’t Trump that’s unnecessarily fucking around with foreign wars.
12   Iranian_Oil_Burse   ignore (5)   2019 May 11, 9:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hat says
Booger says
Deport all the illegal aliens. Easier and cheaper than building new roads and housing.


Even cheaper - mind our own fucking business and stop screwing around in every god damn country on earth to promote "democracy" and or regime change that benefits an extremely small percentage of Americans and their allies.


What the fuck one has to do with another?
13   rocketjoe79   ignore (0)   2019 May 12, 10:13am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Every time I drive around the SF side of the bay, all I see outside the city proper are single and low density housing. It's like a carpet. It's true that we need to go up in altitude to house more people. Then you could have higher density and more green space. Simple, but for Prop 13 keeping everyone in homes handed down generation after generation and likely rented out for $5000 a month.

Does anyone have data (or a link) on how many of these "South Bay" properties are simply used for income generation instead of primary residences?

I think we'll have to wait for the next huge quake to flatten everything and burn it all down, then we can rebuild better! Yeah, right. Didn't it take almost 20 years to rebuild the bay bridge? Thank the NIMBY's and pols for slowing everything down.
14   Iranian_Oil_Burse   ignore (5)   2019 May 12, 12:41pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rocketjoe79 says
It's true that we need to go up in altitude to house more people.


Who said we want the latter? And the former which comes with it?
15   Quigley   ignore (0)   2019 May 12, 1:15pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hugolas_Madurez says
Who said we want the latter? And the former which comes with it?


City centers should build UP. If there’s a place where more people wish to live than there is existing housing, the housing needs to go high density. Don’t like living in dense areas? Don’t! But building up the city centers and making them high density will alleviate traffic rather than making it worse since people won’t need to drive long distances to get to their jobs. Less road time means fewer cars on the road, means less traffic for the commuters.
16   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (0)   2019 May 12, 3:27pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
If there’s a place where more people wish to live than there is existing housing, the housing needs to go high density. Don’t like living in dense areas? Don’t!

People want to live in some areas because of the low density. Having open spaces, low pollution, low noise, free-flowing traffic, etc. is a"benefit of the commons" enjoyed because of the purposeful zoning restrictions. Now builders and virtue signaling politicians want to over-use and destroy this public good for their high-density projects. It's a classic "tragedy of the commons" situation.

You can't build your way out of continuous exponential population growth. In the USA we could easily have a steady (or decreasing) population by enforcing existing immigration laws and ideas that were agreed to (verbally) only 20 years ago.
17   Iranian_Oil_Burse   ignore (5)   2019 May 12, 4:19pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Don’t like living in dense areas? Don’t


And I don't live in a dense area. Whoever likes to live on top of other people can go and live in the beautiful dense Tenderloin. I'm not campaigning for re-zoning of inner cities into SFH areas, why the fuck somebody comes to my town and tries to build a fucking highrise (and "affordable housing" which inevitable comes with it) next to my house?
18   Quigley   ignore (0)   2019 May 12, 8:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

SunnyvaleCA says
People want to live in some areas because of the low density.


The good news is that most places in the USA are extremely low density. So pick one that suits you! But locking up all the land near jobs and city center as low density just makes for extreme urban sprawl, extreme horrible traffic, and extremely long commutes for MOST people! Most places are not like LA or the Bay Area. California is its own little madhouse and the Left-leaning NIMBYs have made it that way.
19   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (0)   2019 May 13, 10:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
SunnyvaleCA says
People want to live in some areas because of the low density.


The good news is that most places in the USA are extremely low density. So pick one that suits you! But locking up all the land near jobs and city center as low density just makes for extreme urban sprawl, extreme horrible traffic, and extremely long commutes for MOST people! Most places are not like LA or the Bay Area. California is its own little madhouse and the Left-leaning NIMBYs have made it that way.
Maybe the solution is for the companies to not continue to grow in the Bay Area. Maybe companies should expand in existing high-density areas that have room for expansion instead of expanding near fully-built-out medium density areas.

Prop 13 (with something for everyone to hate!) has an unfortunate consequence that retirees have little incentive to move once they retire. Their tax basis is so low and likely to actually increase massively if they move.
20   TrumpingTits   ignore (1)   2019 May 13, 9:54pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

SunnyvaleCA says
Prop 13 (with something for everyone to hate!) has an unfortunate consequence that retirees have little incentive to move once they retire. Their tax basis is so low and likely to actually increase massively if they move.


No. They can move once and transfer their previous tax bill to the new house. BUT, they can't do that and downsize. The new house needs to be at least the same value as the previous one.

My parents did exactly this.

What needs to be done is to let them do the same with new houses being less in value than the previous one. Then they will empty out of their too big homes for condos, etc., freeing up housing for the newer generations*.

* 'newer generations' being American Citizens. No more flooding housing markets with immigrants like the Bay Area getting low or no money down mortgages. All homes purchased by non-citizens should be cash-only and they have to deposit an additional 15% into escrow, which they get back when they sell the house, or something like that.
21   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (0)   2019 May 13, 10:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TrumpingTits says
SunnyvaleCA says
Prop 13 (with something for everyone to hate!) has an unfortunate consequence that retirees have little incentive to move once they retire. Their tax basis is so low and likely to actually increase massively if they move.


No. They can move once and transfer their previous tax bill to the new house. BUT, they can't do that and downsize. The new house needs to be at least the same value as the previous one.

I think transferring your Prop 13 is more complicated than that, requiring also that the destination county (if different) reciprocates. Not all of them do. What single person really wants to buy a $2MM house in a lower-cost neighborhood. Old people will be getting lost in their new mansion! No. Old people want to buy a smaller, single-story house and have a huge bundle of cash extra so they can enjoy their retirement. They might even prefer a condo so they don't have to deal with maintenance all by themself.

Also, there's no Prop 13 transfer if looking out of state. I'm looking at nice retirement homes in Florida on the beach. It seems a $1MM house there would be about the price level of what I want and, after selling my shack in Sunnyvale and paying capital gains and exorbitant Realator™ fees, I could buy a $1MM Florida home and have money left over. Even with my modest Prop 13 advantage, I'd probably be paying more property tax in Florida. But several of my ancient neighbors, if they did the same, would see a huge increase in taxes.

Maybe Prop 13 is good for some things, but I think — most of the time — it's not prodding people to vacate their homes for newly-arriving young workers to live near work.
22   Booger   ignore (3)   2019 May 14, 4:54pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Seems to me that there is a ton of empty space between SF and Sacremento. Just need to learn how to build on an active fault line. Or just house the illegals there.

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