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It's going to get bad before it gets nasty?

By HEYYOU follow HEYYOU   2019 May 13, 11:21am 529 views   11 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


"We’re moving into a summer of grave discontent. I don’t believe that China-US trade relationship can be repaired. The disturbances we have set in motion will surely unleash the wicked animus against the USA that has been building among other nations since before 9/11/01. Even the Europeans, our old pals, have soured on us. The war hawks are steering our ship-of-state into reefy waters. The dithering Federal Reserve (America’s central bank) has painted itself into a corner with years of interest rate suppression and market manipulations. Bad weather in the American breadbasket portends rising food prices for us, and less to export (or give away) to the really hungry corners of the world. Less food makes for belligerent nations.

There is already enough tension in the world as it faces not just the end of a global trade fiesta, but a world-wide synchronized economic depression. This is the one from which there will be no “recovery” but only adaptation to lower standards of living and new arrangements for getting by. In other words, the contraction will be permanent. Our fantasies about the super high-tech nirvana of endless leisure with sex robots will dissolve with it. The dark apprehension of all this has already produced a psychotic break in US politics. We now live in a land where Nabisco uses transsexuals to sell Chips Ahoy cookies. Next to us, the old Weimar Republic looks like a Boy Scout camporee.

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/the-trend-is-not-your-friend/
1   OccasionalCortex   ignore (4)   2019 May 13, 12:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says
I don’t believe that China-US trade relationship can be repaired

Yeah, so? Like that is a bad thing?

HEYYOU says
The disturbances we have set in motion will surely unleash the wicked animus against the USA that has been building among other nations since before 9/11/01

Ah, so Kunstler decides to renew his bonafides as an Anti-American Globalist Fuck who believes selling out AmericaFirst is the way to go. That's nice.

HEYYOU says
Even the Europeans, our old pals, have soured on us

Woo-hoo! This is even better. And note: they never were our 'old pals'. Nations do not have friends, they have interests. And interests change.

HEYYOU says
The dithering Federal Reserve (America’s central bank) has painted itself into a corner with years of interest rate suppression and market manipulations

Yes, and no. All they have to do is force banks to suck depositor cock once again and the banks will have all the money they need to loan out. It's not that hard. That is how the system is supposed to work.

Kunstler is just ragging like a geopolitical Bob Dole. The world has changed and he hasn't. That's all. He's reminding me of Bill Kristol in that way.
2   Tim Aurora   ignore (3)   2019 May 13, 12:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

OK , so we go all gung-ho and alone instead of alliances , we have very little leverage. Since DT acts all alone, the leverage is little and will come back to bite us.

OccasionalCortex says
Woo-hoo! This is even better. And note: they never were our 'old pals'. Nations do not have friends, they have interests. And interests change.
3   OccasionalCortex   ignore (4)   2019 May 13, 1:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
OK , so we go all gung-ho and alone instead of alliances , we have very little leverage.

Only on Planet Tim Aurora.

Please tell us, O Great One, how well our 'alliances' are working in countering China when 80% of them are scared of pissing off China economically? It's Munich Agreement City with those turds, er...'allies'. It's bad enough that the Germans suck Russian natural gas cock while cutting back on the defense spending that they promised us but LIED in doing so. And you think we can depend/need Berlin for our trade war with China? If so, keep smokin' that crack pipe dude!

And, this is a trade war between us and China. Our allies don't want to get involved. In fact, NATO and other such alliances are military only ones anyway.

And we can unilaterally fight and win this, easy. People who are knowledgeable of how the worlds works know this while the Ignorant post cry-baby crap like 'Oohh..we need alliances!'.

Fact: We can cut off Chinese imports...not raise tariffs on them but actually cut them off from being imported...UNILATERALLY. The result would present supply chain hardship on the US but only temporary and our gangbusters economic growth can absorb the damage until we form new supply chains. We did the exact same thing both during and as a result of the War of 1812 with Britain. Look it up.

Fact: We can cut off ALL dollar financial transactions with all Chinese banks and any other bank that does business with China, much like we do for those who try to skirt the Iranian ones. This means that dollar transactions between China and other countries would be cut off, not just those between the US and China. And there is precious little any other country can do about it. And don't bring up the 'well, then the world will then create another reserve currency' BS: That is an empty threat. The last thing export-dependent nations want is their currency to become the world's reserve currency or tied to it. Any article you try to post back about otherwise is instant propaganda bullshit because of this reality. The Germans and French and Chinese just saying that they can form an alternative is yet more BS to hide from their people the reality of their impotence in actually trying to do so.

Fact: We can also cut off ANY Treasuries transactions we don't approve of. All selling, holding and buying of US treasuries by central banks and quite a few non-central bank financial institutions are done via electronically on a US Treasury/Federal Reserve system. So if China tries to dump US Treasuries they won't be able to transfer the actual ownership of said sold Treasuries if the US Treasury Secretary puts a hold on all such transactions. So, all that crap about China threatening to sell off US Treasuries is a bunch of wu mau bullshit to hide their gross impotence over this issue, too.

We hold ALL the cards here. We own the battlefields. Well, all the ones that matter. We could destroy China economically overnight. And this is before things get military at all. In fact, things won't get military unless the same Sino-nationalist factions that pushed Xi to back off what was negotiated in the first place force a military confrontation with us first. Which would be total stupidity on their part.

This isn't really about trade. This is about Thucydide's Trap being sprung. https://patrick.net/post/1324313/2019-05-07-thucydides-trap-a-primer
4   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (43)   2019 May 13, 1:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What AMERICA! needs is a

SEX! ROBOT! NEW! DEAL!
5   WookieMan   ignore (4)   2019 May 13, 1:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
OK , so we go all gung-ho and alone instead of alliances , we have very little leverage


OC mentioned some good stuff. Reality is our states have GDP that is greater than most of the world's countries on their own! https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/how-the-gdps-of-us-states-compare-to-countries-around-the-world/ss-BBVAJh3#image=2

Why are you even talking about leverage? California as an individual state has more leverage against China compared to ANY of the world's countries. Throw in 49 more and some other territories and we're the 800lbs gorilla sitting on the scale, while a 40lbs chimp is trying to tip the scale. Will the USA crumble at some point, almost certainly will. But right now to state we have zero leverage is just nuts.
6   OccasionalCortex   ignore (4)   2019 May 13, 3:54pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
But right now to state we have zero leverage is just nuts.

Yup, some people just don't understand the difference between actual capability vs globalist-pussy sellout caving by choice.

Of course for the Commie Butchers Wannabe Left Wing that is taking over the Dem Party, this doesn't fit their narrative, so...
7   HEYYOU   ignore (34)   2019 May 13, 6:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

OccasionalCortex says
Of course for the Commie


No one ever answers this.
How much COMMUNIST China crap have you bought?
8   rdm   ignore (2)   2019 May 13, 6:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
SEX! ROBOT! NEW! DEAL!

a sex robot that prints money, what else could possibly be needed?
9   Dholliday126   ignore (0)   2019 May 13, 6:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU just misses the good old days when Obama surrendered American greatness for global submission and racial politics.
10   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 May 13, 6:47pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Fascism always rises up to to save you from communism and make you great again.

We’re dancing down the road to the new tyranny of corporate fascism with Trump for those who need distraction.

The people are as far away from unity as they could possibly be. How convenient for our owners, hmmm.
11   Booger   ignore (5)   2019 May 13, 7:22pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
What AMERICA! needs is a

SEX! ROBOT! NEW! DEAL!


We need made in USA sex robots.

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