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Interesting! Get ready Lefties!

It's funny how Lefty Women act like abortion is the only method to stop pregnancy available.

Can't wait till the SCOTUS nulls & voids Roe vs. Wade.

All that means is that each State will set its own abortion laws. 10th Amendment style.

Yes, of course the fetal homicide crime previously rested upon the intent of the mother. It’s murder if a drunk driver kills both the mom and fetus she is carrying, assuming she intended to deliver and raise the child. But what if the mom were driving to an abortion clinic when the drunk driver runs into her?

Intent determines personhood? Ridiculous and an unsupportable position. But most women I have discussed abortion with didnt give a rats ass about whether the fetus was a human being or not. Its their body and they could do what they want.

Prohibit abortion or make it more difficult to get one - prepare for a YUUGE raise of crime in 14 years.

See also https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-in-1999-i-am-very-pro-choice-480297539914

willywonka says

Intent determines personhood? Ridiculous and an unsupportable position. But most women I have discussed abortion with didnt give a rats ass about whether the fetus was a human being or not. Its their body and they could do what they want.

That is what 4 decades of using euphemisms ("choice") does to a population. Many abortion supporters are really clueless on what they are "choosing" to do.

How much longer can abortion supporters count on people's ignorance?

www.youtube.com/embed/0xWQHhqOAcg

Many abortion supporters are really clueless on what they are "choosing" to do.

Abortion doctors and related providers are well aware of what they are doing, yet they are all for it. Even that abortion doctor who testified in Congress had performed thousands of abortions, often pulling out pieces at a time, before he decided to stop doing the procedure.

Honestly, if you’re pro-abortion, and fully understand all that is involved, you’re just heartless.
And yes, I back this up with my own life and relatives. When my brother knocked up a woman he barely knew, and was faced with her question to him about whether she should abort the fetus... he called me to talk about it. I told him, bro the situation isn’t ideal, not at all, but she has YOUR baby, your son or daughter in there. What would you do to stop someone killing your son? What would you sacrifice or give up? He thought about it and decided to marry her and have the kid.
My nephew is 6 now, and he’s amazing. My brother might have issues with his wife, but he absolutely loves his son.

https://www.abortionprocedures.com

Here is where you can find the video that the people watched in the other video.

HEYYOU says

All those in favor of abortion can simply boycott all Republican businesses.

Or they can not live in Alabama. This is one reason why we have states.

Just the beginning. Next: Bring back Criminal Conversation, lawsuits for monetary damages from Adultery and ban No Fault (good term: Unilateral) Divorce when there are children in the household. The latter alone will save hundreds of billions in Social programs at the Local, State, and Federal Level.

HonkpilledMaster says

Just the beginning. Next: Bring back Criminal Conversation, lawsuits for monetary damages from Adultery and ban No Fault (good term: Unilateral) Divorce when there are children in the household. The latter alone will save hundreds of billions in Social programs at the Local, State, and Federal Level.

Agreed. No fault divorce was the enabler of divorce rape for womyn. that's why 3/4 of divorces are initiated by womyn. I'm a proponent of a very short window (aside from rape and severe health risks) for abortion, mostly for decriminalization purposes, but it should be hard (and discouraged) to do, so should divorce. It's insane how we have degraded marriage from a once highly binding and bonding (spiritual) contract to a mere joke. Leftoids have desecrated lifelong bonds and human life itself.

whoopi and joy are afraid they will become pregnant by rape

Don’t kill babies, mmmkay?

I’d like to know how many women in the USA get pregnant each year. I’d also like to know how many of those women became pregnant by rape.

willywonka says

Its their body and they could do what they want

That is the sickness that rots the soul.

My guess is RvW will be overturned soon.

Liberals are too willing to snuff out a new born and sell the body parts to Ultra Millionaires to suck the marrow out of the bones.

WillPowers says

willywonka says

Its their body and they could do what they want

So women should be free to be hookers and sell a kidney if they want. It is their body, after all.

HeadSet says

So women should be free to be hookers and sell a kidney if they want. It is their body, after all.

Absolutely (and men also, not only women). If all-powerful Government can prohibit us from doing something with our bodies, then we are slaves for the State.
Interesting how people on the Left want government control over some issues, while on the Right they are fine with Gov't controlling other things. Please force others to do as I want - then huge Gov't control is fine!

The Left even wants to control how you speak with your mouth or type with your fingers. They have absolutely no standing for a “my body my choice” argument.

Sure, Left is much less reasonable - but the right should try to be somewhat consistent. I get the abortion issue - it is debatable and absolutely better if there are no abortions - but the Right is fucking stupid with respect to gambling, prostitution, and drugs, e.i. they try to legislate morality. Just make sure no tax money used.

mell says

that's why 3/4 of divorces are initiated by women

Only 3/4?
Thought that it was higher than that.

willywonka says

Its their body and they could do what they want.

Like not having sex if they aren't ready for kids?

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

God's hand has moved ALABAMA! to remind humanity that:

RAPE!

IS!

A!

SACRAMENT!

I don't think that's the most common reason women get abortions. And rape or no, killing a baby is still killing a baby.

d6rB says

Sure, Left is much less reasonable - but the right should try to be somewhat consistent. I get the abortion issue - it is debatable and absolutely better if there are no abortions - but the Right is fucking stupid with respect to gambling, prostitution, and drugs, e.i. they try to legislate morality. Just make sure no tax money used.

Gambling produces large debts and ruined lives as well as broke-ass elderly parents whom their children must support.
Prostitution produces abuse and abandonment of families, which costs must be born by tax payers and the innocents involved.
Drug use produces indigent individuals, sociopathy, crime to pay for more drugs, and abandonment of families.

All these have real costs to society, so it is in society’s interest to regulate them as best as possible.

Quigley says

Gambling produces large debts and ruined lives as well as broke-ass elderly parents whom their children must support.
Prostitution produces abuse and abandonment of families, which costs must be born by tax payers and the innocents involved.
Drug use produces indigent individuals, sociopathy, crime to pay for more drugs, and abandonment of families.

All these have real costs to society, so it is in society’s interest to regulate them as best as possible.

Incarceration of people for minor drug offenses is extremely costly as well, and somehow this is deemed OK by many. Furthermore, drinking tons of sugar and eating donuts makes people FAT which has real and very high costs for society as well. Why regulate one, and not the other?

drinking tons of sugar and eating donuts makes people FAT which has real and very high costs for society as well. Why regulate one, and not the other?

Are you saying regulate everything? Or nothing?

How about "Since kids are allowed to drink unhealthy sugary sodas, kids should be allowed to smoke cigarettes. Why regulate one thing and not the other?"

HeadSet says

Are you saying regulate everything? Or nothing?

Regulate nothing for adults.
For kids, line is more blurred. Italian kids are allowed to drink wine, and there are much fewer alcoholics in Italy than in US or N. Europe which have stricter restrictions.

why are the men on this forum arguing about this pro life/ pro choice thing?

Returning to OP: expect to see more anti-abortion stuff in coming months and years. Reason is very simple - Hispanic voters are the only large population group who can be swung to R side, and that can be done by using anti-abortion rhetoric.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/24/2020-hispanic-voters-donald-trump-225192

Hispanic Democrats are considerably less liberal than others in the party. Hispanics make up about 12 percent of those who identify as Democrats or who tend to lean Democratic; but they are 22 percent of Democrats who describe themselves as moderate or conservative. Hispanics, roughly half of whom are Catholic (and another quarter who are former Catholics), skew conservative on social issues, including abortion.

Trump, and other leading Republicans, are criticizing Democrats more on abortion, taxes and “socialist” positions on health care and climate change. He’s also made a targeted appeal to Cuban-Americans in Florida by vocally supporting the overthrow of Nicolás Maduro, the socialist dictator in Venezuela. There is good reason to think that those efforts will be effective on Hispanic voters—or, at least, effective enough.

Most importantly, things are pretty good for most Hispanic-Americans. Trump is correct that they have enjoyed record-low unemployment rates. Despite all of Trump’s rhetoric, and the fear it induced, not much has changed for most Hispanic families in the U.S. Deportations are a little down from Obama administration peaks, while immigrant arrests are a little up.

d6rB says

Incarceration of people for minor drug offenses is extremely costly as well, and somehow this is deemed OK by many.

Well - just look at San Francisco and Seattle these days. The vast majority of the homelessness, shit on the streets, syringes, and crime are being driven by drug addicts who can use drugs on the streets with no fear of arrest.

Not saying that we should lock every drug user up either..........but I think the pendulum swung too far into a Liberal/Libertarian position on drugs in those cities causing them to become shitholes.

socal2 says

d6rB says

Incarceration of people for minor drug offenses is extremely costly as well, and somehow this is deemed OK by many.

Well - just look at San Francisco and Seattle these days. The vast majority of the homelessness, shit on the streets, syringes, and crime are being driven by drug addicts who can use drugs on the streets with no fear of arrest.

Not saying that we should lock every drug user up either..........but I think the pendulum swung too far into a Liberal/Libertarian position on drugs in those cities causing them to become shitholes.

Locking them up worked, it kept society in order.
Liberalism is anarchy, it's disorder.

socal2 says

Well - just look at San Francisco and Seattle these days. The vast majority of the homelessness, shit on the streets, syringes, and crime are being driven by drug addicts who can use drugs on the streets with no fear of arrest.

Not saying that we should lock every drug user up either..........but I think the pendulum swung too far into a Liberal/Libertarian position on drugs in those cities causing them to become shitholes.

Arrest for making city a shithole and littering, not because someone is using drugs. In some European countries, semi-legalization of drugs and giving out FREE! drugs to addicts decreased crime rate, panhandling, and general public nuisances. If my memory is right, Basel or Basel canton saw 60% property crime drop after this type of program was instituted.
Furthermore, WAR! on DRUGS! has not changed anything in last 50 years, other than filling pockets of druglords and strengthening police unions. Continuing to do what has not worked for last 50 yrs and expecting to get a different result is absolute insanity.

d6rB says

Why regulate one, and not the other?

I would answer that the three examples i responded to are very old problems with well-known effects spanning hundreds or thousands of years.
The sugary drink problem is new, and already being addressed by some places like NYC.
And yes, many states are beginning to count the costs of incarceration of people for minor drug offenses as more expensive a “cure” than the disease. Society and culture should change to meet new challenges.

d6rB says

Arrest for making city a shithole and littering, not because someone is using drugs. In some European countries, semi-legalization of drugs and giving out FREE! drugs to addicts decreased crime rate, panhandling, and general public nuisances. If my memory is right, Basel or Basel canton saw 60% property crime drop after this type of program was instituted.

So why isn't it working in Seattle, Los Angeles and San Francisco? Crime and shithole conditions have dramatically increased since these cities started handing out free needles and being lax with drug enforcement.

socal2 says

So why isn't it working in Seattle, Los Angeles and San Francisco? Crime and shithole conditions have dramatically increased since these cities started handing out free needles and being lax with drug enforcement.

Perhaps because they do not incarcerate for public nuisances? Enforcement is lax because they can not arrest homeless people because they are afraid of being called racist/whatever?

d6rB says

socal2 says

So why isn't it working in Seattle, Los Angeles and San Francisco? Crime and shithole conditions have dramatically increased since these cities started handing out free needles and being lax with drug enforcement.

Perhaps because they do not incarcerate for public nuisances? Enforcement is lax because they can not arrest homeless people because they are afraid of being called racist/whatever?

You can't always apply a program and expecting similar results everywhere. I agree on the goal of getting government out of the business of regulating drugs and making them unnecessarily expensive. The problem is the make-up of US society and the current problem of it having developed into a peak-consumerism society. Drugs is the ultimate form of consumerism with the fastest high and instant gratification, of course the abuse consequences show much later and then spiral out of control. From early childhood on most US citizens are bombarded with the notion that they must consume and experience as much stimulation and gratification as possible while outrunning everyone else. There's not much difference between a heroin addict and a shopping addict or someone addicted to status symbols in general. It will take a general shift in the US back to moderation, traditional values, experiencing the joy of parenthood and marriage and the nuclear family while forgetting about keeping up with the Joneses, a retreat from social media back to nature and solid rejection of leftoid and feminazi politics to also see a reduction in drug use which is often simply a patch for masking physical and emotional pain and emptiness. Womym will stop abusing SSRIs once they experience the joy of family and motherhood again after trading in the cock carousel and their drone careerist shrike jobs for family and men will stop binge drinking and doing drugs when they see they have a purpose of providing and a voice again. Abortion rates will drop naturally like they did in Hungary while births and families will rise. It's happening, Trump, Salvini, Orban, Kurz etc. are only the beginning.