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Tesla Is Going Down, Musk Fluffers!

By OccasionalCortex following x   2019 May 28, 4:37pm 926 views   30 comments   watch   nsfw   quote     share    


If there is one type of post you can make here on PatNet that is GUARANTEED to generate a lot of comments it is the one that involves Tesla in particular and the Kool-Aide dispensing Cult Leader of the Musk Fluffers* in general. Preferably both.

So....here we go kiddies! Red Meat for the Cultists!

My Tesla Car Wreck
Why Elon Musk’s Car Company Is Headed for Disaster

https://americanconsequences.com/my-tesla-car-wreck/

* Musk Fluffer: People who worship Musk so much like cultists worship their cult leader, they will gladly drink whatever Kool Aid he serves up. Typical reaction of a Musk Fluffer to anyone who presents evidence of obvious short comings of Musk (even while praising his good points/accomplishments, of which Musk has several) is an instant and visceral reaction that usually is devoid of any logic/rationality. These guys make TDS sufferers look sane by comparison. Just wait and watch the comments by them to this post stack up like internet cord wood, kiddies. Just wait and watch...

1   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (0)   2019 May 28, 5:12pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

From the article: "competitors’ cars have many advantages – including better service networks, luxurious interiors, and the “newness” factor. The Audi e-tron, Porsche Taycan, and Jaguar I-PACE represent the biggest threats, followed by highly anticipated offerings from BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and others."

That's been my thinking, too, but Tesla is still doing well in mind-share and market-share and competitors still haven't put out a blockbuster true luxury electric. The BMW i3 thing, for example, is farther from "luxury" than any of the Teslas.

I also think that Tesla corporation is highly leveraged through and through. Honoring warrantees, taking back lease returns, and the extreme financial leverage on a money-losing (so far) enterprise is a recipe for a gigantic, fast-paced financial meltdown.
2   WineHorror1   ignore (1)   2019 May 28, 5:13pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sorry to disappoint you but Tesla will not be allowed to fail. Book it.
3   BayArea   ignore (1)   2019 May 28, 5:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Just bought Tesla stock today under 190.
4   Tenpoundbass   ignore (14)   2019 May 28, 5:55pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The high tech Edsel.
5   TrumpingTits   ignore (1)   2019 May 28, 9:00pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WineHorror1 says
Sorry to disappoint you but Tesla will not be allowed to fail. Book it.


WHO will not allow it to fail? Trump Admin will gladly let it fail. Plus, he's in contempt with this settlement with the SEC over his securities fraud tweets already.
6   Hircus   ignore (0)   2019 May 28, 9:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WineHorror1 says
Sorry to disappoint you but Tesla will not be allowed to fail. Book it.


Who do you think would save it?
7   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (41)   2019 May 28, 9:10pm   ↑ like (7)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It needs gun mounts. If it has seatbelts, it doesn't need doors.
8   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (0)   2019 May 28, 10:09pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hircus says
WineHorror1 says
Sorry to disappoint you but Tesla will not be allowed to fail. Book it.


Who do you think would save it?

It'll be bought by a competitor ... for about $25 per share. So, if you just bought at $190, that's pretty much a "fail."
9   Quigley   ignore (0)   2019 May 29, 7:20am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It owns too many cool patents to be allowed to fail, but it may be bought by another car manufacturer.
10   BlueSardine   ignore (3)   2019 May 29, 7:28am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Too many innuendos in this caption to process accurately..
OccasionalCortex says
Tesla Is Going Down, Musk Fluffers!
11   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2019 May 29, 8:46am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
It owns too many cool patents to be allowed to fail, but it may be bought by another car manufacturer.


Yeah, bought out at around what .share? Auto companies shares are priced with a P/E of around 5-10.
12   socal2   ignore (0)   2019 May 29, 9:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hircus says
WineHorror1 says
Sorry to disappoint you but Tesla will not be allowed to fail. Book it.


Who do you think would save it?


It would be almost pocket change for a Google, Apple or Amazon. I believe Apple already made an offer a few years ago. This is a pretty balanced analysis on the current situation IMO.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/tesla-is-dying-and-this-is-how-it-will-end/

I am not a Musk fanboy, but always amazed at the Tesla/Musk haters.

When was the last time a new American car company came along? Saturn? How did those work out despite heavy GM involvement?

You all prefer to buy Korean, Japanese and German cars who have had at least a half century head start building up the infrastructure required to mass produce cars?
13   OccasionalCortex   ignore (3)   2019 May 29, 12:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
It owns too many cool patents to be allowed to fail, but it may be bought by another car manufacturer.


That's still a 'fail'. A fire-sale-to-get-whatever-fail, but a fail nonetheless. I know, I've been an employee during those times TWICE now. IP was always 'involved'.
14   socal2   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 3, 7:46pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tesla is doomed!






*Tesla stock surges after setting new delivery and production records*

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/02/tesla-q2-2019-production-and-delivery-numbers.html
15   komputodo   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 3, 11:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
*Tesla stock surges after setting new delivery and production records*

tesla stock surges when the algos saw that headline...it doesn't matter if it's true or not.
16   WineHorror1   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 4, 7:34am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hircus says
WineHorror1 says
Sorry to disappoint you but Tesla will not be allowed to fail. Book it.


Who do you think would save it?

Has Ford, GM or Chrysler been allowed to fail? Tesla is right in line with the new electric car requirement al a big daddy government. CAFE standards are going up to 50 soon.
17   socal2   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 4, 8:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

komputodo says
socal2 says
*Tesla stock surges after setting new delivery and production records*

tesla stock surges when the algos saw that headline...it doesn't matter if it's true or not.


Sure - but based on Tesla massively increasing sales YOY and there still aren't any major auto-makers who have anything close to what Tesla has built in terms of product or infrastructure (charging networks, battery factories, institutional knowledge). I think Tesla is going to continue to be miles and miles ahead of the competitors for quite a while yet.

The vaunted Tesla killer Audi E-Tron already has a recall. The Porsche and Jaguar EV's are barely selling.

Here is Tesla 3 sales compared to other mid-sized luxury cars through May. I'd wager that over 90% of current Tesla drivers will never go back to conventional ICE cars after owning an EV with all of its benefits.

18   Booger   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 4, 9:34am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I'd rather have a Chevy Volt.
19   socal2   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 4, 9:39am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Booger says
I'd rather have a Chevy Volt.


The 2011 Volt's are still kicking with their original battery packs with very few failures thanks to the robust battery heating/cooling systems. Can't say the same thing for the Nissan Leafs.

I have a Chevy Bolt and prefer it to the Volt because it is quicker and more fun to drive around. That said, I would take a Tesla in a heartbeat if price wasn't an issue.
20   clambo   ignore (4)   2019 Jul 4, 12:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tesla is toast.

If GM sells the Bolt and loses money on each one, how the fuck is Tesla going to make a dime selling Model 3 when the taxpayer subsidy ends eventually?

Incidentally, I see Bolts all over the place lately; I bet GM wishes people would stop buying them and buy a Surburban instead.

I would actually consider a Bolt if my car ever died; I probably don't drive more than 200 miles per week so the range would not inconvenience me.

Tesla is not going to disappear probably, someone will probably buy the company someday if they have anything clever patented.

Musk is a kook and a liar. He should not be CEO of any company.
21   B.A.C.A.H.   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 4, 1:45pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
I'd wager that over 90% of current Tesla drivers will never go back to conventional ICE cars after owning an EV with all of its benefits.


Yep.

Unless they purchase their next EV soon, though, it'll probably be some other Status Symbol brand when the Tesla car company is gone. Unless another car company "buys" Tesla (ahem, assumes the liabilities I mean), and keeps the brand name.
22   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (41)   2019 Jul 4, 1:50pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hey, compare the cost per mile with anything you could pick up at a police auction.

Can of primer, a few bucks to a cousin who works at a gas station to get you a sticker, you're in like Flynn for at least a few weeks.

Even if the thing blow up, you can get another for $100 or two at the next auction.
23   HEYYOU   ignore (31)   2019 Jul 4, 2:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I looked deep into my eyes & didn't see anyone that gives a shit.
24   kt1652   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 4, 2:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
Booger says
I'd rather have a Chevy Volt.


The 2011 Volt's are still kicking with their original battery packs with very few failures thanks to the robust battery heating/cooling systems. Can't say the same thing for the Nissan Leafs.

I have a Chevy Bolt and prefer it to the Volt because it is quicker and more fun to drive around. That said, I would take a Tesla in a heartbeat if price wasn't an issue.

Tesla shorts are going down!
I'm long (5+) years holding horizon.
25   kt1652   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 4, 2:38pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Just want to come here and show that I put my money on Tesla. I bought $68,289 of TSLA stock (long, cash no margin) between 6/26/19 – 7/1/19. Adding my original position of 40 shares.
The shorts are going to get ass-raped. There will be panic covering which will pump the share price up. The Shanghai Gigafactory is ahead of schedule. When the G3 start ramping for the huge Chinese EV market demand for Model 3, it is going to be close to million units/year. Unbelievable? Believe it. The Chinese government wants to move rapidly away from ICE and they are partnering with Tesla to make it happen. Xi decided it wasn’t happening fast enough with domestic EV companies. Tesla is a premium brand, very high demand in China. They can lower the cost by building there by at least $7-10K usd per M3.
There is NO EV competition for Tesla, everyone is at least 3 years behind and falling. The ICE brand EV’s today can’t even touch the X or S, much less the M3. Model Y is coming. Then the pickup, semi.
Tesla is going to be the greatest American auto company in 5 to 10 years when ICE automaker finally wakes up. Happy 4th of July!
26   TrumpingTits   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 4, 8:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

kt1652 says
Just want to come here and show that I put my money on Tesla. I bought $68,289 of TSLA stock (long, cash no margin) between 6/26/19 – 7/1/19. Adding my original position of 40 shares.


Good for you, Musk Fluffer! Doesn't give you some excuse for not reading the article I posted, tho.

Meanwhile, on Planet Reality since this was posted:. Deposit levels have collapsed! AND current depositors are demanding their money back in droves. It's so bad, Tesla will be out of money unless sales pick up.
27   kt1652   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 4, 8:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

If you want an endless stream of investment schemes in your inbox, then American Consequences is the place for you
28   kt1652   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 5, 10:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

10s 1/4. Man, be fair and give the old tech a head-start.
29   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 5, 10:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

kt1652 says
10s 1/4. Man, be fair and give the old tech a head-start.


Yes, but it was all off the start. Hard to beat electric off the line. Notice that the Demon was catching up, and was actually faster speed when it crossed the finish line. Had this race been 1/2 mile, the Demon would have won.
30   socal2   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 5, 10:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
Yes, but it was all off the start. Hard to beat electric off the line. Notice that the Demon was catching up, and was actually faster speed when it crossed the finish line. Had this race been 1/2 mile, the Demon would have won.



Yep - but for practical day to day driving, I much rather have the instant torque and acceleration than an overall top speed. How often and where can you drive over 90 mph sustained?

I am still having a blast 6 months in driving my Bolt around and accelerating hard to quickly get to the speed limit.

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