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And so it begins - Trump asks for military tanks on the Mall as part of grandiose July Fourth event

By willywonka following x   2019 Jul 1, 7:41pm 921 views   74 comments   watch   nsfw   quote     share    


The ongoing negotiations over whether to use massive military hardware, such as Abrams tanks or Bradley Fighting Vehicles , as a prop for Trump’s “Salute to America” is just one of many unfinished details when it comes to the celebration planned for Thursday, according to several people briefed on the plan, who requested anonymity to speak frankly.

White House officials intend to give out tickets for attendees to sit in a VIP section and watch Trump’s speech, but did not develop a distribution system before much of the staff left for Asia last week, according to two administration officials. Officials are also still working on other key crowd management details, such as how to get attendees through magnetometers in an orderly fashion.

Traditionally, major gatherings on the Mall, including inauguration festivities and a jubilee commemorating the start of a new millennium, have featured a designated event producer. But in this case, the producer is the president himself.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-asks-for-military-tanks-on-the-mall-as-part-of-grandiose-july-fourth-event/ar-AADGB0V

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35   BayArea   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 5, 11:11am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
I saw the video of Trump messing up the lyrics to God Bless America

"Stand beside Me" (instead of her)

Then he lays out for quite a few lines

Then he comes back in for the ending part

LOL


What about the part where he gave a great speech and headlined a beautiful patriotic successful event? Did you miss that part due to late stage TDS?
36   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 5, 11:28am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BayArea says
Did you miss that part due to late stage TDS?
Everybody there had TDS

I saw Melania's nipples through her dress on Facebook.

Did you see that part?

Everybody I know boycotted the TRUMP shit show.

This is when you know Trump is in trouble --I watched Hannity making sarcasm about candidates and running a non-stop reel of Trumped up "accomplishments"

LOL sometimes I watch Fox, just not with a straight face. Interesting what they DON'T cover, and shit like yesterday.
37   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 5, 11:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Not one man in Trump's family has served any military duty in 150 years. Let that sink in.

38   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 5, 11:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
Dem debates, there's not one I would vote for. That could change as the field thins out, but those debates were awful.
I saw that on Fox too.
39   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 5, 1:01pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Not one man in Trump's family has served any military duty in 150 years. Let that sink in.


Those tanks and other military assets should be defending the southern border instead of in a parade.
40   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Jul 5, 1:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Not one man in Trump's family has served any military duty in 150 years. Let that sink in.


Unlike, say, Barak Hussein Obama Senior.
41   mell   ignore (2)   2019 Jul 5, 1:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Not one man in Trump's family has served any military duty in 150 years. Let that sink in.



Nobody had to drink from filthy toilets. Stop lying. If you were unaware of this being a lie at least now you know.
42   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 5, 1:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

mell says
Nobody had to drink from filthy toilets. Stop lying. If you were unaware of this being a lie at least now you know.
This comment was published widely.

On the other hand there is you.

Now you know.
43   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 5, 1:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

“Would you settle for that agreement?” CNN’s Jake Tapper asked Rose.

“Absolutely not,” Rose shot back, adding:

This is a politics of foreign policy driven by this president’s deep, dark insecurities. Apparently, at this point, all you have to do is Twitter-flirt with this president and compliment his hair and you could get whatever you want.
Rose also called out how Trump had handled relations with China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Russia. Last week, Trump jokingly warned Russian President Vladimir Putin against meddling in the upcoming U.S. election ― as was done in 2016.

Putin laughed while Trump wagged his finger.

“At one point or another, this president has got to understand that Vladimir Putin is laughing at him, not with him,” Rose said. “We cannot reward attacks on the homeland and that’s exactly what Russia did in 2016.”

See his full conversation with CNN’s Jake Tapper.

44   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 5, 1:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Are they all white people?

45   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 5, 1:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trump's back up band sure is white.

46   mell   ignore (2)   2019 Jul 5, 1:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
mell says
Nobody had to drink from filthy toilets. Stop lying. If you were unaware of this being a lie at least now you know.
This comment was published widely.

On the other hand there is you.

Now you know.


Many lies get republished on twatter every day because people don't research claims anymore. If you want people to take you seriously in discussions, at least research a bit. No matter what side you're on. They have sinks and fountains on top of the toilets serving potable drinking water. Plus the non potable toilet water will make you far less likely ill than the 'drinking' water where they come from.
47   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 5, 1:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I never comment on race, but damn, how can you not notice the sea of white bodies?



mell says
If you want people to take you seriously in discussions, at least research a bit. No matter what side you're on.
That's good advice. Got something to back up your statement?
48   mell   ignore (2)   2019 Jul 5, 1:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
I never comment on race, but damn, how can you not notice the sea of white bodies?



mell says
If you want people to take you seriously in discussions, at least research a bit. No matter what side you're on.
That's good advice. Got something to back up your statement?


https://amp.businessinsider.com/photo-hybrid-toilet-drinking-fountain-cbp-centers-2019-7
49   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 5, 1:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

There are no photos showing the true extent of Trump's 4th of July audience. There are mentions of "thousands." The vagueness here shows the underlying truth is not as desired.

The RNC Peddled Donald Trump-Themed MAGA Merchandise On The Fourth Of July.

Also the RNC gave their favorite donors VIP tickets.

I read a lot of tickets were given away.
50   mell   ignore (2)   2019 Jul 5, 1:47pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I don't care if people don't like the parade and debate it's popularity. But the detention facility workers do a heck of a job and are much better friends to the migrants than pretty much anyone else out there. Anybody who isn't housing an immigrant (family) at their home should keep quiet on this instead of insulting and doxxing these hardworking Americans and spreading untruths.
51   Quigley   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 5, 1:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
insulting and doxxing these hardworking Americans and spreading untruths.


I don’t think Patrick likes you talking about other users like that, even the annoying panther ones with extremely debilitating TDS.
52   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 5, 2:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@mell, while you provided 'something' to back up your claim, that reference does not really back up your claim.

Ocasio-Cortez hit back, saying that, on the visit, they found the fountains weren't working, and "women were told they could drink out of the bowl."


Do you have a CREDIBLE reference that says AOC is lying here?
53   mell   ignore (2)   2019 Jul 5, 2:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
mell says
insulting and doxxing these hardworking Americans and spreading untruths.


I don’t think Patrick likes you talking about other users like that, even the annoying panther ones with extremely debilitating TDS.


Wasn't talking about jazz maybe should have made that clearer. But people like the woman spreading lies on Twitter which was posted here. There are currently all kinds of armchair self proclaimed migrant defenders - not on patnet at least I hope - taking their cell phones to detention centers and trespassing and harassing every officer, filming them and asking for their names. These people are criminals and deserve to go to jail or get harmed. And they are slowing down the proper care for those migrants in these centers with their bullshit.
54   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 5, 2:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
extremely debilitating TDS.
My heart goes out to you TDS sufferers
55   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 5, 2:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
self proclaimed migrant defenders - not on patnet
anybody who would post such things here can expect the subject to be changed to their life by people who have no basis to defend any comments.
56   mell   ignore (2)   2019 Jul 5, 2:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What's the alternative to closing the camps? None. You either have to completely close the border and defend it with armed force or you have to have these centers until you can either find a home for the migrants maybe some relatives or you send them back on safe transportation.
57   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 5, 2:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

So there are no estimates ANYWHERE on the size of Trump's 4th of July audience.

This must mean that access to this data is controlled.
58   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 5, 2:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

So to say that people are not drinking out of toilets and also to say that guards are not laughing at them in front of members of congress present you have to say that AOC is lying basically.

After New York Rep. Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez visited a US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) detention facility for migrants in El Paso, Texas, on Monday, she described shocking conditions and said officials were using "psychological warfare" against detainees.

The most alarming claim was that migrants were made to drink from toilets.

"Now I've seen the inside of these facilities. It's not just the kids. It's everyone," she wrote on Twitter.

"People drinking out of toilets, officers laughing in front of members Congress. I brought it up to their superiors. They said 'officers are under stress & act out sometimes.' No accountability," she added.


This is from your link you graciously provided to "Business Insider." I'm surprised to see someone quoting it instead of calling it fake news.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/adolfoflores/immigrants-drinking-toilets-water-aoc-border-patrol

Women Held In Border Patrol Custody Say They Were Told To Drink Water From Toilets
"There was a toilet but no running water for people to drink," Joaquin Castro said. "One of the women said she was told by an agent to drink water out of the toilet."
59   mell   ignore (2)   2019 Jul 5, 2:15pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-02/pastors-aoc-full-sht-border-facility-conditions

The burden of proof f is on AOC. Nobody has corroborated her statements yet.
60   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 5, 2:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
The burden of proof f is on AOC
Not true. You made a comment.

The burden of proof is on you.

Why don't you know that?
61   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 5, 2:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
Nobody has corroborated her statements yet.
Mery Christmas

AOC is Corroborated by Rep Chu

Rep. Judy Chu from California described what the delegation saw as appalling and disgusting. In addition to some immigrant women telling members of Congress they didn’t have access to running water, one epileptic woman said she been unable to obtain medication for her condition.


"One woman said that the Border Patrol agent told her if she wanted water to drink from a toilet," Chu said on Twitter.


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/adolfoflores/immigrants-drinking-toilets-water-aoc-border-patrol



This is the link I gave you at the comment above.
62   mell   ignore (2)   2019 Jul 5, 2:27pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
mell says
Nobody has corroborated her statements yet.
Mery Christmas

AOC is Corroborated by Rep Chu

Rep. Judy Chu from California described what the delegation saw as appalling and disgusting. In addition to some immigrant women telling members of Congress they didn’t have access to running water, one epileptic woman said she been unable to obtain medication for her condition.


"One woman said that the Border Patrol agent told her if she wanted water to drink from a toilet," Chu said on Twitter.


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/adolfoflores/immigrants-drinking-toilets-water-aoc-border-patrol



This is the link I gave you at the comment above.


These are again heresays from some migrants. Also can't expect proper epileptic care in an overrun facility. Some Americans don't get that.
63   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 5, 2:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I'm doing all this research and all you followers have to do is say "fake news" and lie some more and say I'm lying and go on your way parroting Limbaugh and Fox.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/ocasio-cortez-detained-migrants-being-told-drink-out-toilets-n1025431

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Monday described the abysmal conditions she and other members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus and other House Democrats saw after visiting two immigration detention facilities in Texas, and said she'd learned that Customs and Border Patrol officers told detained women to "drink out of the toilets."

“After I forced myself into a cell w/ women & began speaking to them, one of them described their treatment at the hands of officers as ‘psychological warfare’ — waking them at odd hours for no reason, calling them wh*res, etc.,” she wrote. “Tell me what about that is due to a “lack of funding?”

Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., was part of a delegation of more than a dozen House members who toured two centers in El Paso and Clint, Texas.

"We came today and we saw that the system is still broken," said Rep. Joaquín Castro, D-Texas, who chairs the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, at a press conference after their tour. "These are the conditions that have been created by the Trump administration. These are the inhumane conditions that folks are facing," he said, as he and the other lawmakers were trying to speak above the din of hecklers shouting, "America First!"

Rep. Marc Veasey, also from Texas, wrote on Twitter, "we found children barely older than toddlers in cells; families that had been separated from one another; holding centers that were little more than animal sheds, with chainlink fences and pad-locks used to lock up men, women, and children."

The congressional members' tweets and comments to reporters came hours after Pro Publica reported that 9,500 Customs and Border Patrol agents had participated in a Facebook group replete with jokes about migrant deaths and sexist comments about lawmakers, including Ocasio-Cortez. NBC News has not independently verified this Facebook group and has not seen the posts.

“I see why CBP officers were being so physically and sexually threatening towards me,” Ocasio-Cortez wrote on Twitter. “Officers were keeping women in cells w/ no water & had told them to drink out of the toilets.”

“This was them on their GOOD behavior in front of members of Congress,” she added.

Castro, who told reporters that the Pro Publica report "shocks the conscience that these agents are entrusted with the lives of anybody in their custody," corroborated Ocasio-Cortez's tweets, stating that the group encountered a group of around 15 mothers — some of whom had been housed in the facility for more than 50 days — living in "indefensible" conditions.

"When we went into the cell, it was clear the water was not running," Castro said. "One of the women said she was told by an agent to drink water out of the toilet. These are the conditions folks are facing."

Ocasio-Cortez said she saw officers laughing and issued a complaint with their supervisors, but was told that the officers were “under stress and act out sometimes.”

Last week, the House passed a $4.6 billion emergency funding bill to provide resources and support for the influx of asylum-seekers on the southern border after learning that the facility in Clint was housing minors without providing adequate food or access to soap or toothpaste.

Later, speaking to reporters after leaving the first facility, Ocasio-Cortez pushed back against the narrative that the poor conditions could be attributed to a lack of resources.

“There’s abuse in this facility," Ocasio-Cortez told KTSM, NBC News’ El Paso affiliate. "This is them on their best behavior? And they put them in a room with no running water, and these women were being told by CBP officers to drink out of the toilet.”

Rep. Madeleine Dean, D-Pa., wrote on Twitter, "We were met with hostility from the guards, but this is nothing compared to their treatment of the people being held. The detainees are constantly abused and verbally harassed with no cause. Deprived physically and dehumanized mentally - everyday.This is a human rights issue."
64   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jul 5, 2:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
the non potable toilet water will make you far less likely ill than the 'drinking' water where they come from.
Your comment here is sourced from the notorius liar Rush Limbaugh who makes his riches by proding listeners anger and hate thereby turning off his audience from using their critical thinking to assess his lies.

https://www.mediaite.com/radio/rush-limbaugh-maybe-toilet-water-is-a-step-up-for-migrants-based-on-what-the-left-is-saying/

You guys are blindly following the propaganda paid for by the oligarchy. THOSE LIES ARE EVERYWHERE because of the inequality bringing unprecedented power to the oligarchs BUT THAT DOES NOT EXCUSE YOU FROM INFORMING YOURSELF WELL ENOUGH TO MAINTAIN MEANINGFUL DEMOCRACY.

I knew we were doomed to repeat history when Murdock (Fox news propaganda founder and far right wing Libertarian activist) bought the History Channel and removed any and all history from the programming.

Like when he bought the Wall Street Journal and removed any negative financial news about our rich man's economy.


This strangling of the media heralds the loss of a functioning democracy.

TDS!
65   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Jul 5, 3:15pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Rep. Judy Chu from California described what the delegation saw as appalling and disgusting. In addition to some immigrant women telling members of Congress they didn’t have access to running water, one epileptic woman said she been unable to obtain medication for her condition.


1. No Running Water = Bullshit
2. Medication = Why didn't you bring your own supply? Why is the US Taxpayer responsible for fake asylees fleeing massively increased standards of living (over a generation) to a free ride in the USA? That's no oppression.

Also, AOC and the rest of the Freshmen Democratic Socialists voted Against the Bill that Funded the Border Facilities, so she's a Total Grandstanding Hypocrite

Her lies, assisted by the Media, have long since been caught out, such as crying at a parking lot.



66   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 5, 4:05pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Do you have a CREDIBLE reference that says AOC is lying here?

It was from AOC. Q.E.D.

To be fair, AOC bends the truth just like President Trump... make a statement that isn't quite correct but is "directionally correct" to get endless free media coverage.

Trump: thousands dancing in the streets when Twin Towers came down --> some people were thrilled, and these people are anti-American
AOC: people drinking from toilets --> conditions in the holding centers aren't as nice as summer camp
67   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Jul 5, 5:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

And Omar Illhan: "Thousands died --> Some people did something and my professor said 'al Qaeda' with disgust in his voice, but not Britain or America with the same voice."
68   mell   ignore (2)   2019 Jul 5, 5:31pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

SunnyvaleCA says
Trump: thousands dancing in the streets when Twin Towers came down --> some people were thrilled, and these people are anti-American


Maybe in NYC there were only a hundred total or so expressing their joy (openly), but in other countries surely thousands were dancing.
69   mell   ignore (2)   2019 Jul 5, 5:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
I'm doing all this research and all you followers have to do is say "fake news" and lie some more and say I'm lying and go on your way parroting Limbaugh and Fox.


Who cares what Rush says. It's a fact. Anybody who traveled there knows this. Tainted water and alcohol are huge dangers. You think if everything would be better down there than the detention centers they wouldn't come in droves. Yet here they are so don't complain or go back.
70   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Jul 5, 5:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Fjordman (Peder Are Nøstvold Jensen), who was studying Arabic in Cairo, was offered to come out to parties. As a EuroLeft Norwegian, they'd thought he'd celebrate 9/11 with the rest of the city.

That's what turned him from the Leftist worldview.
71   WookieMan   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 6, 7:15am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
I saw Melania's nipples through her dress on Facebook.


So? Are you now offended by nipples on a woman? The source of food for our babies? We arguably have the most attractive first lady in history and you're worried about nipples? Our nation is in a scary place if this is a problem for the left.
72   6rdB   ignore (1)   2019 Jul 6, 7:53am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HonkpilledMaster says
1. No Running Water = Bullshit
2. Medication = Why didn't you bring your own supply? Why is the US Taxpayer responsible for fake asylees fleeing massively increased standards of living (over a generation) to a free ride in the USA? That's no oppression.

There is no reason as to why US should admit ANY persons without proper documents through Mexico or Canada borders. They should ask for asylum in the first country after getting out from their country of origin (assuming political oppression/war), which is international standard. Economic migrants do not have to be admitted.
73   WookieMan   ignore (3)   2019 Jul 6, 7:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

d6rB says
There is absolutely, positively no reason as to why US should admit ANY persons without proper documents through Mexico or Canada borders.


I know, it would be like some ground breaking shit that a country enforces its borders. Like, I mean, no country on the planet has EVER done that.... We are heartless pieces of shit for housing and feeding people for breaking our laws. What has this world come to?
74   Quigley   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 6, 9:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
jazz_music says
I saw Melania's nipples through her dress on Facebook.


So? Are you now offended by nipples on a woman? The source of food for our babies? We arguably have the most attractive first lady in history and you're worried about nipples? Our nation is in a scary place if this is a problem for the left.


He only likes man nipples.

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