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Onvacation
2019 Jul 26, 4:51am
Onvacation
2019 Jul 26, 4:51am
ohomen171 says
I used to call it a religion but now I think it's a cult.
If the globe is warming why are ALL temperature records in ever state set in the 20th century?
I believe in global warming
I used to call it a religion but now I think it's a cult.
If the globe is warming why are ALL temperature records in ever state set in the 20th century?
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komputodo
2019 Jul 26, 7:39am
komputodo
2019 Jul 26, 7:39am
ohomen171 says
In one of the 3 states known for their sanity and low taxes? CA, OR,or WA?
Elena and I live in what I describe as “a sweet spot.” We are in an area near the Pacific Ocean.
In one of the 3 states known for their sanity and low taxes? CA, OR,or WA?
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HeadSet
2019 Jul 26, 7:49am
HeadSet
2019 Jul 26, 7:49am
This AGW reminds me of the old "Nuclear Winter," The idea behind Nuke Winter is that we should not have a global nuke war because the fallout would block out the sun for years and plunge the world into an ice age. I can think of many reasons not to have a global nuke war without worrying about Nuke Winter. But the basic premise on the Nuke Winter cult was "We do not want Nuclear Winter, so we best give in to Soviet Demands."
The same with AGW. I can think of many reasons we need to conserve and work on renewables, such as pollution and resource depletion, without worrying about AGW. But the AGW crowd is more about "We need to vote Democrat, more government, and more taxes, or we will fry the Earth."
The best solution to pollution, resource depletion, and even AGW if it exists, is to limit 1st Worlds population and stop imports from high polluting countries. This action would allow the trend to wind, solar, geothermal, and conservation to be sustainable in a 1st World environment.
The same with AGW. I can think of many reasons we need to conserve and work on renewables, such as pollution and resource depletion, without worrying about AGW. But the AGW crowd is more about "We need to vote Democrat, more government, and more taxes, or we will fry the Earth."
The best solution to pollution, resource depletion, and even AGW if it exists, is to limit 1st Worlds population and stop imports from high polluting countries. This action would allow the trend to wind, solar, geothermal, and conservation to be sustainable in a 1st World environment.
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RWSGFY
2019 Jul 26, 12:29pm
RWSGFY
2019 Jul 26, 12:29pm
komputodo says
He's in Pacifica. This is one of the places which could actually benefit from some warming.
ohomen171 saysElena and I live in what I describe as “a sweet spot.” We are in an area near the Pacific Ocean.
In one of the 3 states known for their sanity and low taxes? CA, OR,or WA?
He's in Pacifica. This is one of the places which could actually benefit from some warming.
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SunnyvaleCA
2019 Jul 26, 3:13pm
Even if weather events are not getting more severe, people's actions are toward being less and less prepared. We'd be having more and more dire problems even if there were no global warming.
Many people no longer do their own home and yard maintenance. I'm probably the only person on my street who has a saw big enough to cut through the 50 year old trees that line the street; I'd be the only one able to clear my street of trees felled by a wind storm. Likewise, I'm likely the only one with tools able to repair roofs or electrical wiring. I have a ladder tall enough to easily reach the highest point of my house.
FEMA is a perfect example of encouraging bad ideas and government dependency. There's a reason people can't get private home insurance if they build in a floodplain or below a levee — it's unsafe to build there! FEMA allows people to build there by helping owners when the natural disaster, predictably, happens. At the very least, if you get helped, FEMA should not ever pay out more than once.
There are only a certain amount of desirable areas in which to build. However, people wanting to live near desirable ares sometimes settle for nearby areas that are in obviously bad locations. As we fill up the country by concentrating on quantity of life (over quality of life), we'll have more and more people "displaced" to the less suitable locations and thus more and more people living in disaster-prone areas.
Yes, there might be global warming. But, mostly, that's used as an excuse for people who don't plan ahead, aren't prepared, are stupid beyond belief, or are just damn lazy.
And the Al Gore types just use global warming to obtain wealth and power. Al Gore made a lot of money flying around the world on his private jet plane lecturing us about global warming.
Many people no longer do their own home and yard maintenance. I'm probably the only person on my street who has a saw big enough to cut through the 50 year old trees that line the street; I'd be the only one able to clear my street of trees felled by a wind storm. Likewise, I'm likely the only one with tools able to repair roofs or electrical wiring. I have a ladder tall enough to easily reach the highest point of my house.
FEMA is a perfect example of encouraging bad ideas and government dependency. There's a reason people can't get private home insurance if they build in a floodplain or below a levee — it's unsafe to build there! FEMA allows people to build there by helping owners when the natural disaster, predictably, happens. At the very least, if you get helped, FEMA should not ever pay out more than once.
There are only a certain amount of desirable areas in which to build. However, people wanting to live near desirable ares sometimes settle for nearby areas that are in obviously bad locations. As we fill up the country by concentrating on quantity of life (over quality of life), we'll have more and more people "displaced" to the less suitable locations and thus more and more people living in disaster-prone areas.
Yes, there might be global warming. But, mostly, that's used as an excuse for people who don't plan ahead, aren't prepared, are stupid beyond belief, or are just damn lazy.
And the Al Gore types just use global warming to obtain wealth and power. Al Gore made a lot of money flying around the world on his private jet plane lecturing us about global warming.
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Y
2019 Jul 26, 3:23pm
Y
2019 Jul 26, 3:23pm
hundreds of thousands of miles of shoreline envelopes the oceans.
where there's a shoreline, theres a boat.
no safe haven exists.
ohomen171 says
where there's a shoreline, theres a boat.
no safe haven exists.
ohomen171 says
Anyone seeking to go there must find a ship, a boat
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Onvacation
2019 Jul 26, 3:44pm
Onvacation
2019 Jul 26, 3:44pm
HEYYOU says
But not a state record. From Wikipedia:
Alaska 100 °F / 38 °C June 27, 1915 Fort Yukon
So a hundred years ago was the hottest temperature in Alaska EVER!
Temperatures in Anchorage, Alaska rose up to 32 °C (90 °F) on July 4, 2019, breaking the previous all-time record temperature for the city of 29.4 °C (85 °F) set in 1969. The city also broke its daily July 4 record of 25 °C (77 °F) set in 1999."
But not a state record. From Wikipedia:
Alaska 100 °F / 38 °C June 27, 1915 Fort Yukon
So a hundred years ago was the hottest temperature in Alaska EVER!
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Onvacation
2019 Jul 26, 3:59pm
Onvacation
2019 Jul 26, 3:59pm
This is how the cultists work. They claim record high temperatures.
"It has never been hotter on my roof, EVER, thus global warming is real"
"It has never been hotter on my roof, EVER, thus global warming is real"
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Jul 26, 4:04pm
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Jul 26, 4:04pm
if Global Warming was real, millionnaire liberals wouldn't be buying land ocean front lol. And rest of the world would you think just accept death?
God people are so fucking gullible and stupid, they think GW is real, and not just an attempt to sell more solar panels. And who invested billions into solar panels... liberal billionaires, just coincidence right?
God people are so fucking gullible and stupid, they think GW is real, and not just an attempt to sell more solar panels. And who invested billions into solar panels... liberal billionaires, just coincidence right?
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HeadSet
2019 Jul 26, 4:51pm
HeadSet
2019 Jul 26, 4:51pm
FEMA is a perfect example of encouraging bad ideas and government dependency.
Yes, people are building in bad locations. I like a local law here in coastal Virginia that specifies that if you build in certain low lying areas, your house must be able to withstand a 5 foot flood with NO damage. That is typically done by having a tall concrete garage under the house where the garage floor slopes down toward the entrance. This makes for some long steps and stairways, but that is the price you pay for low land builds. In CA, out in the areas where forest fires have been part of the ecology since the Ice Age, laws should require homes to be somewhat fireproof. That is, the house is poured, the roof shingles are steel, siding is stone or brick, and you have a firebreak around your property. Also, the area would need regular controlled burns or forest raking. Or zone an area for cheap trailer homes and understand that they will be taken out by forest fires every 20 years or so.
Yes, people are building in bad locations. I like a local law here in coastal Virginia that specifies that if you build in certain low lying areas, your house must be able to withstand a 5 foot flood with NO damage. That is typically done by having a tall concrete garage under the house where the garage floor slopes down toward the entrance. This makes for some long steps and stairways, but that is the price you pay for low land builds. In CA, out in the areas where forest fires have been part of the ecology since the Ice Age, laws should require homes to be somewhat fireproof. That is, the house is poured, the roof shingles are steel, siding is stone or brick, and you have a firebreak around your property. Also, the area would need regular controlled burns or forest raking. Or zone an area for cheap trailer homes and understand that they will be taken out by forest fires every 20 years or so.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Jul 26, 7:13pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Jul 26, 7:13pm
If Global Warming was Real, Greens and Leftists would be fighting against Turd World Migrants, since they would increase their CO2 output 500% just by setting foot in the First World.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Jul 26, 7:17pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Jul 26, 7:17pm
HeadSet says
This is a great observation, Thanks.
This AGW reminds me of the old "Nuclear Winter," The idea behind Nuke Winter is that we should not have a global nuke war because the fallout would block out the sun for years and plunge the world into an ice age. I can think of many reasons not to have a global nuke war without worrying about Nuke Winter. But the basic premise on the Nuke Winter cult was "We do not want Nuclear Winter, so we best give in to Soviet Demands."
The same with AGW. I can think of many reasons we need to conserve and work on renewables, such as pollution and resource depletion, without worrying about AGW. But the AGW crowd is more about "We need to vote Democrat, more government, and more taxes, or we will fry the Earth."
The best solution to pollution, resource depletion, and even AGW if it exists, is to limit 1st Worlds population and stop imports from high polluting countries. This action would allow the trend to wind, solar, geothermal, and conservation to be sustainable in a 1st World environment.
This is a great observation, Thanks.
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Blue
2019 Jul 26, 8:08pm
ohomen171 says
This is real and happening at alarming rate. I have observed in India that the summer heat waves causing multiple deaths in every region that became very common now a days that it is not even a news worthy anymore.
Human intelligence appears to be peaked (and reversing in some countries like northern Europe from 1990s in one study). If that is true, Global warming problem can not be solved but take a nose dive in less than 100 years. Look at insects, they are declining rapidly just the beginning of the ending current cycle.
As temperatures rise and droughts become worse, you face a heightened risk of wildfires that could take all you own and even your life.
This is real and happening at alarming rate. I have observed in India that the summer heat waves causing multiple deaths in every region that became very common now a days that it is not even a news worthy anymore.
Human intelligence appears to be peaked (and reversing in some countries like northern Europe from 1990s in one study). If that is true, Global warming problem can not be solved but take a nose dive in less than 100 years. Look at insects, they are declining rapidly just the beginning of the ending current cycle.
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ForcedTQ
2019 Jul 26, 8:46pm
Blue says
But this is a good positive feedback loop for India. We just need to turn up the PID loop rate a bit. Less of these third world dirty power consumers, no sewer shit spew to waterways and oceans, high pollution population = cleaner healthier earth, right?
ohomen171 saysAs temperatures rise and droughts become worse, you face a heightened risk of wildfires that could take all you own and even your life.
This is real and happening at alarming rate. I have observed in India that the summer heat waves causing multiple deaths in every region that became very common now a days that it is not even a news worthy anymore.
Human intelligence appears to be peaked (and reversing in some countries like northern Europe from 1990s in one study). If that is true, Global warming problem can not be solved but take a nose dive in less than 100 years. Look at insects, they are declining rapidly just the beginning of the ending current cycle.
But this is a good positive feedback loop for India. We just need to turn up the PID loop rate a bit. Less of these third world dirty power consumers, no sewer shit spew to waterways and oceans, high pollution population = cleaner healthier earth, right?
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komputodo
2019 Jul 26, 10:43pm
komputodo
2019 Jul 26, 10:43pm
Onvacation says
That was an anamoly...that doesn't count.
But not a state record. From Wikipedia:
Alaska 100 °F / 38 °C June 27, 1915 Fort Yukon
So a hundred years ago was the hottest temperature in Alaska EVER!
That was an anamoly...that doesn't count.
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komputodo
2019 Jul 26, 10:47pm
komputodo
2019 Jul 26, 10:47pm
ohomen171 says
You could lose all that stuff you have stored in your overstuffed 2 car garage that can't be used to park your car anymore.
3) Are you in an area prone to wildfires? As temperatures rise and droughts become worse, you face a heightened risk of wildfires that could take all you own and even your life. My sister is the survivor of a wildfire that burned down her house. We lost 100 years of family photos and records when her house burned down.
You could lose all that stuff you have stored in your overstuffed 2 car garage that can't be used to park your car anymore.
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Onvacation
2019 Jul 27, 4:57am
Onvacation
2019 Jul 27, 4:57am
Blue says
Not here in northern Maine. The mosquitoes are voracious. Life has a way of going on.
Look at insects, they are declining rapidly just the beginning of the ending current cycle.
Not here in northern Maine. The mosquitoes are voracious. Life has a way of going on.
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Onvacation
2019 Jul 27, 5:00am
Onvacation
2019 Jul 27, 5:00am
The AGW cult goes on in spite of facts.
The world has a lot of problems. Global warming from too much co2 is not one of them. It's sad so many cultists BELIEVE!
The world has a lot of problems. Global warming from too much co2 is not one of them. It's sad so many cultists BELIEVE!
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mell
2019 Jul 27, 9:21am
Onvacation says
Actually warmer temperatures promote insect life as long as they have humidity/water to breed. I don't get the feeling mosquitoes have declined when summering in Maine either, if at all the opposite. Same for wine country CA. Plenty of bites. There are concerns of diseases taking a foothold due to warmer temps that were previously only present in tropical regions (West Nile, Malaria etc.)
Blue saysLook at insects, they are declining rapidly just the beginning of the ending current cycle.
Not here in northern Maine. The mosquitoes are voracious. Life has a way of going on.
Actually warmer temperatures promote insect life as long as they have humidity/water to breed. I don't get the feeling mosquitoes have declined when summering in Maine either, if at all the opposite. Same for wine country CA. Plenty of bites. There are concerns of diseases taking a foothold due to warmer temps that were previously only present in tropical regions (West Nile, Malaria etc.)
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Shaman
2019 Jul 27, 9:33am
Shaman
2019 Jul 27, 9:33am
Blue says
Plenty more Indians left. What’s the big deal?
/troll
This is real and happening at alarming rate. I have observed in India that the summer heat waves causing multiple deaths in every region that became very common now a days that it is not even a news worthy anymore.
Plenty more Indians left. What’s the big deal?
/troll
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Blue
2019 Jul 27, 10:12am
ForcedTQ says
Yes, it is obvious. I expect population should be controlled that is not happening based on the stupid religions (practice vary by place and political backing), also environmental footprint per person is equally if not more important.
But this is a good positive feedback loop for India.
Yes, it is obvious. I expect population should be controlled that is not happening based on the stupid religions (practice vary by place and political backing), also environmental footprint per person is equally if not more important.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Jul 27, 11:07am
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Jul 27, 11:07am
Mild Summer, Cold Winter: "Duh, you Redneck Science Deniers, Weather isn't Climate"
Hot Summer, Mild Winter: "SEE?! Climate Change is here, right in your face, Deniers!"
Hot Summer, Mild Winter: "SEE?! Climate Change is here, right in your face, Deniers!"
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Blue
2019 Jul 27, 1:06pm
Onvacation says
mosquitoes could be an outlier, try to look at the whole web of insects.
Not here in northern Maine.
mosquitoes could be an outlier, try to look at the whole web of insects.
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Blue
2019 Jul 27, 1:18pm
Quigley says
Of course. I know that is not important here. The point is to show that it is one of those signs that the global warming is happening and we are approaching to a point of no return with our "intelligence". Meanwhile just enjoy the ride.
Plenty more Indians left. What’s the big deal?
Of course. I know that is not important here. The point is to show that it is one of those signs that the global warming is happening and we are approaching to a point of no return with our "intelligence". Meanwhile just enjoy the ride.
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SunnyvaleCA
2019 Jul 27, 1:32pm
ForcedTQ says
Sadly, no. It just means the third-world is migrating to the first-world, making everything third-world.
But this is a good positive feedback loop for India. We just need to turn up the PID loop rate a bit. Less of these third world dirty power consumers, no sewer shit spew to waterways and oceans, high pollution population = cleaner healthier earth, right?
Sadly, no. It just means the third-world is migrating to the first-world, making everything third-world.
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Onvacation
2019 Jul 27, 7:24pm
Onvacation
2019 Jul 27, 7:24pm
Blue says
How long do we have?
the global warming is happening and we are approaching to a point of no return
How long do we have?
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Jul 27, 9:27pm
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Jul 27, 9:27pm
Onvacation says
According to AOC we all die instantly in 11 years from now.
Blue saysthe global warming is happening and we are approaching to a point of no return
How long do we have?
According to AOC we all die instantly in 11 years from now.
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zzyzzx
2019 Aug 1, 12:22pm
zzyzzx
2019 Aug 1, 12:22pm
I guess this means that I should plan on going to the beach in September and October:
https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/these-4-us-cities-will-feel-summer-warmth-linger-into-autumn/70008960
These 4 US cities will feel summer warmth linger into autumn
Much of the Northeast and the mid-Atlantic I-95 corridor can expect to have temperatures 3 to 3.5 degrees above normal this September. Also, for much of the Northwest above-normal warmth will continue deeper into fall,
https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/these-4-us-cities-will-feel-summer-warmth-linger-into-autumn/70008960
These 4 US cities will feel summer warmth linger into autumn
Much of the Northeast and the mid-Atlantic I-95 corridor can expect to have temperatures 3 to 3.5 degrees above normal this September. Also, for much of the Northwest above-normal warmth will continue deeper into fall,
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HeadSet
2019 Aug 1, 12:44pm
HeadSet
2019 Aug 1, 12:44pm
Much of the Northeast and the mid-Atlantic I-95 corridor can expect to have temperatures 3 to 3.5 degrees above normal this September. Also, for much of the Northwest above-normal warmth will continue deeper into fall,
Let's see if that actually happens.
Let's see if that actually happens.
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Automan Empire
2019 Aug 1, 12:45pm
Automan Empire
2019 Aug 1, 12:45pm
HonkpilledMaster says
It's a great straw observation that fits your preconceived notions by completely misrepresenting an opposing position. The actual sentiment was, "We do not want nuclear winter or any other of the consequences of global nuclear war, so we humans should end the nuclear arms race."
But the basic premise on the Nuke Winter cult was "We do not want Nuclear Winter, so we best give in to Soviet Demands."HonkpilledMaster says
This is a great observation, Thanks.
It's a great straw observation that fits your preconceived notions by completely misrepresenting an opposing position. The actual sentiment was, "We do not want nuclear winter or any other of the consequences of global nuclear war, so we humans should end the nuclear arms race."
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HeadSet
2019 Aug 1, 12:52pm
HeadSet
2019 Aug 1, 12:52pm
"We do not want nuclear winter or any other of the consequences of global nuclear war, so we humans should end the nuclear arms race."
No, the mantra was to disarm the West unilaterally.
No, the mantra was to disarm the West unilaterally.
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Automan Empire
2019 Aug 1, 1:03pm
Automan Empire
2019 Aug 1, 1:03pm
HeadSet says
Source? I was not only alive during the 80s, but personally engaged with nuclear disarmament movements, so quit your bullshit.
No, the mantra was to disarm the West unilaterally.
Source? I was not only alive during the 80s, but personally engaged with nuclear disarmament movements, so quit your bullshit.
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HeadSet
2019 Aug 1, 1:10pm
HeadSet
2019 Aug 1, 1:10pm
I was not only alive during the 80s, but personally engaged with nuclear disarmament movements, so quit your bullshit.
I was around then as well, and while not "engaged," had plenty of interactions with Nuke Winter proponents. So, how much pressure did your "engaged" groups put on the Soviets to disarm?
I was around then as well, and while not "engaged," had plenty of interactions with Nuke Winter proponents. So, how much pressure did your "engaged" groups put on the Soviets to disarm?
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I believe in global warming after reading a mass of data and studying a lot of happenings. What is not clear in my mind is if global warming is part of a natural cycle such as those when we have an ice age or it is caused by fossil fuels and human activities. My son is a scientist and I have one other dear woman scientist friend also from Brasil who would know this better than me.
Regardless of how we got here, we all must learn to deal with it and make it a part of our planning for the future. If you live near Miami, you have already seen its affects with more sea water flooding requiring an expenditure of some $350 million dollars for pumps to try to keep the sea water out. Here in California we had massive droughts that lasted for several years. We are out of this cycle now. But we have had destructive wildfires that have cost tens of billions of dollars and hundreds of live. Other areas have suffered massive flooding. Western Europe right now is having the worst heat wave in a long time.
I always believe that people can lie or exaggerate things, but true numbers always show what is happening. The property and casualty companies worldwide have seen the worst payouts ever to reimburse clients for their losses due to hurricanes, fires, floods, etc. The last published figure was $168 billion dollars for a previous year. If you have a homeowner’s insurance policy, you have noticed that your insurance carrier has become very tough at renewal time. Even a small claim or potential small claim can lead to the cancellation of your insurance policy. In our case, a little 17- pound dog bit a postman. It was a one-fang small bite drawing no blood. Still we had to take the dog off our policy or else. I have been with this insurance company since 1971. In the past, they were very kind and generous to a fault with claims.
Here are some of the things you must consider when deciding where to live, work, etc. as follows:
1) Are rising sea waters going to flood my area?
2) Will increased rain falls or unusual storms cause massive flooding in my area? (If you’re in the US and are required to have flood insurance, good luck if you must file a claim. CBS 60 Minutes aired a special on the Federal health insurance program. People had to fight very hard to get a claim approved. They ended up getting paid far less than the actual loss.)
3) Are you in an area prone to wildfires? As temperatures rise and droughts become worse, you face a heightened risk of wildfires that could take all you own and even your life. My sister is the survivor of a wildfire that burned down her house. We lost 100 years of family photos and records when her house burned down.
4) If you live in a cold climate, you might take comfort in the fact that your area will get warmer. It could very well get warmer in the summer but colder in winter.
There is another serious dimension to this problem. Elena and I live in what I describe as “a sweet spot.” We are in an area near the Pacific Ocean. In our case we are over a half mile from the ocean and sit some 53 feet above sea level. We would not feel the affects of sea level rise like people near the water. Our area has not had a tsunami since the 1700’s. If a tsunami hit, we would not feel the worst affects. Fog covers our area and keeps the vegetation moist. The probability of a wildfire is low. We have a good water supply that rode the last drought with no problems except some minor water rationing. Our house sits on hard rock and is solidly bolted down. It would ride an earthquake well.
Here is where it gets uglier. Let us assume that you are lucky enough or smart enough to find “a sweet spot” like ours; you will not, as the saying goes, goes “live happily ever after.” You will not, as the old saying goes, “Be able to fiddle while Rome burns.” Those people not as fortunate as you will find themselves in flooded or burned out areas. Agricultural production will fall. This means food shortages. In the past decade Europe has suffered a huge inflow of refugees. If you are in the US, you only have to look to our border with Mexico to see all the people trying to seek asylum here. If you are in South America, you know all about refugees from Venezuela. You are going to have tens of millions of refugees trying to get into “your sweet spot.”
This means that in picking a place to live, you need to find a remote place that is hard to get to. Australia and New Zealand come to mind. Anyone seeking to go there must find a ship, a boat or an aircraft to take them there. I have found a wonderful place in Patagonia with a massive lake, reasonable temperatures, no forests to burn and no seismic problems. I shall leave this spot a secret as I do not want too many people to know about it.