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tovarichpeter says

The benefits of an ADU to home owners are big.

I bought into my neighborhood at great expense in part because existing regulations resulted in a neighborhood with qualities I enjoy: low congestion, plenty of free parking on the streets, low crime, etc. If everyone puts up an ADU, I feel the very things I bought are going to be ruined. What's so wrong with the local city having local laws not overrun at the state level.

And then there is something called property rights which, theoretically, say in our capitalist society that if it doesn’t violate health and safety I should be able to do what I want with my own property including building an ADU.

Now every neighborhood will look like East LA.

If it really is Grandma or Old Uncle Joe, great, but you have to prove to the city that that's who is residing there, with a copy of their USPS mail change and Soc Sec Checks correctly addressed.

Snap Inspect 1% of all ADUs per quarter, and if somebody lied, you fine $20,000 and refer the fraudulent Soc Sec/USPS docs to the SSA and USPS. Somebody will go to prison.

tovarichpeter says

And then there is something called property rights which, theoretically, say in our capitalist society that if it doesn’t violate health and safety I should be able to do what I want with my own property including building an ADU.

But before I bought my house, I checked local zoning and regulations. I bought the house because I liked the rules that were set up. If I wanted an ADU, then I would have bought a place that allowed them. Not coincidentally, those areas that allow them are all 3rd-world hellholes.

I'm just curious: Do ADU units have to pay a full share of sewage and garbage?

My guess adu will roll use into residence? Sewer is metered.

Fortwaynemobile says

My guess adu will roll use into residence? Sewer is metered.

Actually, around here, sewer is not metered. It's a fixed (and large) charge. Water is both metered (fairly small) and a fixed charge. Electricity and natural gas are both metered. With garbage, you pay a fixed charge for the size of the can you are allowed; you are not allowed to share with your neighbor and buy no can. The smallest can is 1/3 the size of the big one but about 60% of the price.

So, another thing I'll be paying for to support everyone else's ADU. To be sure, if ADUs are legal, then everyone will be creating one just to collect the rent. It's pretty much a tragedy of the commons situation.

SunnyvaleCA says

tovarichpeter says

The benefits of an ADU to home owners are big.

I bought into my neighborhood at great expense in part because existing regulations resulted in a neighborhood with qualities I enjoy: low congestion, plenty of free parking on the streets, low crime, etc. If everyone puts up an ADU, I feel the very things I bought are going to be ruined. What's so wrong with the local city having local laws not overrun at the state level.

This is NYMBYism at work. That’s just the reality. Like it or not.

E-man says

This is NYMBYism at work.

... and it's perfectly OK.

Building and running a rental ADU in your backyard and campaigning for your neighbors to do the same is akin to driving for Uber: in latter case you earn minimum wage by driving your own car into the ground while in the former you get a little bit of cash now while shitholizing your own neighborhood long term.

Iranian_Oil_Burse says

Building and running a rental ADU in your backyard and campaigning for your neighbors to do the same is akin to driving for Uber: in latter case you earn minimum wage by driving your own car into the ground while in the former you get a little bit of cash now while shitholizing your own neighborhood long term.

Since everyone else is "shitholizing" the neighborhood, you might as well do it to and at least get the benefit. (Otherwise you get shithole and no benefit.) That why I said it's a tragedy of the commons situation.