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Do health reform advocates use tactics like this?

By MarkInSF following x   2010 Mar 27, 4:00pm 2,679 views   11 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    

Here is a great example to the blatant lies being throw around by those that oppose health care reform. It was posted on another thread and I decided to repost here (as encouraged by the OP.)

These are not misunderstood facts like "US is ranked 37th in infant mortality", that on the face of it appear to imply the US medical system is inferior, but when digging a little deeper more subtle causes are found that do not implicate the US medical system.

These statements below are BLATANT LIES.

I am waiting for the opponents of health care, who accuse supporters of the bill as using equally vile tactics, to please find an example that comes anything close to this. I didn't even have to dig for vile examples like this. It showed up right here on it's own.

twelc says

Here’s a sample of what is included in Federal Health Care Reform:

Thomas Edwards, editor of The River Cities Tribune, was contacted to get

legal permission to quote David Kithil’s comments. Permission was

granted, so here are excerpts from the article, giving EXACT pages and

paragraphs in the bill and why it is so bad.

hits everything right on the head, and the opposition you may encounter

cannot argue over these points:


“I have reviewed selected sections of the bill and find it unbelievable

that our Congress, led by Speaker Nancy Pelosi, could come up with a bill

loaded with so many wrong-headed elements.

We do need to reform the health insurance system in America in order to

make coverage affordable and available to everyone. But, how many of us

believe our federal government can manage a new program any better than

the bankrupt Medicare program or the underfunded Social Security program?

“Both Republicans and Democrats are equally responsible for the financial

mess of those two programs.

“I am opposed to HB 3200 for a number of reasons. To start with, it is

estimated that a federal bureaucracy of more than 150,000 new employees

will be required to administer HB3200. That is an unacceptable expansion

of a government that is already too intrusive in our lives. If we are

going to hire 150,000 new employees, let’s put them to work protecting

our borders, fighting the massive drug problem and putting more law

enforcement/firefighters out there.”

NOW, here comes the good stuff:

JUDGE KITHIL continued: “Other problems I have with this bill include:

** Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S.

residents, even if they are here illegally.

** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an

individual’s bank account and will have the authority to make electronic

fund transfers from those accounts.

** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government)

for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations

(such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now -


** Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section will not be

treated as a tax. (How could anybody in their right mind come up with


** Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of

specialty, and the government will set all doctors’ fees.

** Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care according to

the patient’s age.

** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital

expansion;however, communities may petition for an exception.

** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning

consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an

“end-of-life planning” seminar every five years.

** Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify which doctors can

write an end-of-life order.

HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on:

“Finally, it is specifically stated this bill will not apply to members

of Congress. Members of Congress are already exempt from the Social

Security system and have a well-funded private plan that covers their

retirement needs. If they were on our Social Security plan, I believe

they would find a very quick ‘fix’ to make the plan financially sound for

the future.”

Honorable David Kithil

Marble Falls , Texas

…and more…

Obama included a revision to the healthcare bill that provides hime with his very own private army…didn’t see THAT coming:


Please copy and paste and send to everyone you know.


2   Bap33   ignore (7)   2010 Mar 27, 10:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"snopes" .... honestly? LMAO

3   Nomograph   ignore (0)   2010 Mar 27, 11:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Bap33 says

“snopes” …. honestly? LMAO

Every part if it is blatantly and patently false, and you know that. Snopes has nothing to do with that, they just point it out. If you want to believe and lies and falsehoods, and worship those who spread them, be my guest. As you sit in church today, Bap, think about who or what is the source and propagator of lies and falsehood, and think about who and what you worship and venerate in your daily life.

Who's work are you doing?

Don't believe me. Speak with your pastor, priest, or spiritual advisor about this. It's much more important than you realize.

4   Nomograph   ignore (0)   2010 Mar 27, 11:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MarkInSF says

Here is a great example to the blatant lies

But what if you really, really, want it to be true? Does it count then?

twelc says


Sometimes it really disturbs me that people who are as weak-minded and easily manipulated as twelc are allowed to vote. I suppose in a Democracy you have to take the good with the bad.

5   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2010 Mar 27, 11:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Bap33 says

“snopes” …. honestly? LMAO

you have a problem with snopes?

6   Kevin   ignore (2)   2010 Mar 28, 6:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I hear that the healthcare reform bill will cause me to grow a second penis.

7   elliemae   ignore (0)   2010 Mar 28, 11:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You'd be popular with those women with two vaginas, there was a "Tyra" show dedicated to that very subject:


8   simchaland   ignore (0)   2010 Mar 29, 8:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

elliemae says

You’d be popular with those women with two vaginas, there was a “Tyra” show dedicated to that very subject:

Does that mean that they have two separate menstrual cycles or do they act in synchronicity? YIKES!

9   Bap33   ignore (7)   2010 Mar 29, 10:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lmao ... thats funny/scary

10   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2010 Mar 29, 11:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I like to find the most extreme opinions I can, coming from every which side of the debate. I then attempt to disprove every claim until I am left with what seems to be an accurate picture. One google search provided the snopes reply to twelc's link.

11   elliemae   ignore (0)   2010 Mar 29, 1:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

simchaland says

elliemae says

You’d be popular with those women with two vaginas, there was a “Tyra” show dedicated to that very subject:

Does that mean that they have two separate menstrual cycles or do they act in synchronicity? YIKES!

It would be a menstrual cycle built for two that she rides through life...

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