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Old white dudes - deal with it - we really are all basically the same


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2010 Jul 31, 5:18am   10,797 views  82 comments

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I think that some of the fear and trends in politics, including recent posts about corporate dominance of our government,  can be traced to the older generation of white leaders who just can handle where demographics are headed. It is probably especially true for those who have led sheltered lives, and are now old, and set in their ways, and somehow never truly learned that we are all the same.They never learned what America's greatest strength actually is.

Satire:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-caucasians-will-soon-be-a-minority-in-their,4635/

Report: Caucasians Will Soon Be A Minority In Their Own Goddamn Country

PIKEVILLE, TN—According to Hormel-plant breakroom sources, if the Puerto Ricans and the Mexicans and the Orientals and the blacks don't stop having all those babies, whites will be a minority in their own goddamn country as early as 2010. "Someone looked at the census figures, and on account of how much faster they're multiplying, it's only a couple years before there's more of them than of us real Americans," foreman Ron Nelson announced Tuesday. "They're already making the kids learn Spanish at the high school." According to U.S. Census Bureau estimates, 80.7 percent of the current U.S. population is white.

The truth is more like 2050, but I did hear that as of 2012, less than half all births will be to "white" babies.

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1   elliemae   2010 Jul 31, 5:23am  

The onion rocks!

2   RayAmerica   2010 Jul 31, 7:59am  

Fine example of a racist thread. Way to go Marcus! Down with those white folks!!

3   elliemae   2010 Jul 31, 10:37am  

RayAmerica says

Down with those white folks!!

rayray, you racist bastard! I knew it! And I read your article on the onion, you narcissistic fool:

"One day, people will realize that fostering a worldview identical to my own is the most sensible course of action. From where I stand, it's the only course of action.

"The entire population of the United States and I simply can't see eye to eye on many of the key issues facing this country, and that is what tears us asunder. There are two Americas, and unfortunately, I'm the only person alive who is truly able to see things from my point of view. Thus we have a long way to go before our nation becomes a nation of rayrays.

And that saddens me.

How can we as a nation move forward if millions upon millions of people in this country can't get on board with even half my agenda?"

http://www.theonion.com/articles/we-will-never-be-united-as-a-nation-as-long-as-the,17764/

4   marcus   2010 Jul 31, 11:45am  

RayAmerica says

Fine example of a racist thread. Way to go Marcus! Down with those white folks!!

Most of the people with the most power, happen to be old white men. People are afraid of what they don't understand. It's human nature. Unfortunately race is one more factor dividing us. Not for too much longer. It's my hypothesis that the impending white people's loss of the majority of the population may be another big factor in the current political division that prevents us from finding sensible solutions. It's another part of the divide and conquer pattern, not that it's a conspiracy.

Would this fear lead to an irrational clinging to power that is a factor we see with the increasing dominance of corporate influence in our government ? (see BP thread). Even if not, it still is a part of the division within the masses, that can easily be exploited by right wing media.

I hope I'm wrong. And maybe the fear that I'm talking about has nothing to do with what's happening in Arizona either.

5   elliemae   2010 Jul 31, 12:06pm  

Marcus,

The problem is that rayray lacks the ability to understand satire. He enjoys attacking without understanding the issue - rendering his comments useless and displaying his ignorance. He didn't read what you posted, instead choosing to call you a racist.

It's self-serving, and tedious. His lack of ability to understand issues, yet to constantly assign blame, attempts to detract from every post that's not about him. It's as if he were a wee child screaming "look at me!" But so far there's been nothing to look at. It's a sad state of affairs, and each person who attempts to answer him in a serious manner is wasting their time.

6   RayAmerica   2010 Aug 1, 2:08am  

Ellie "I never, ever insult anyone" mae is so much fun to read. I laugh out loud every time I read one of her funny posts. Here, she comically defends Marcus after he posts a thread called "Old White Dudes ...." I wonder if someone posted a thread called "Old Black Dudes .... " what her response would be? No doubt, she would be screaming from the top of her imagined moral mountain top: “RACIST!!!!!!!!”

7   marcus   2010 Aug 1, 2:18am  

Guess what Ray. I'm an old white dude.

8   RayAmerica   2010 Aug 1, 2:25am  

marcus says

Guess what Ray. I’m an old white dude.

Should I be surprised? I wasn't thinking either way, but thanks for making your "type" known to the world. Funny thing, I seem to remember MLK saying something about a society that would basically be color blind and would concentrate on the "content" of one's character. In a society that hypes vulgarity in every venue, character is an old fashioned ideal that doesn't seem to matter anymore. I guess I'm an old antique in that sense too. Nice talking with you brother.

9   marcus   2010 Aug 1, 2:48am  

Seems like I struck a nerve.

Yes, I can tell that racism is still here.

It was a satire piece and fit with the whole divide and conquer idea. I wasn't saying all old white men are racist. Far from it.

By the way, if I were a republican, and not a racist, I would be bothered too. Republicans basically absorbed what used to be the old southern conservative democrats, add to that the fact that a majority of poor minority voters are democrats, and you therefore have the situation that I will quote from Bill Maher:

"I would never say and I have never said, because it's not true that Republicans, all Republicans are racists. That would be silly and wrong. But nowadays, if you are racist, you're probably a Republican.

Obviously, he meant if you're a white racist. Shock me Ray, and simply acknowledge that this is true, and that it bothers you to be in the same party with many racists.

10   rob918   2010 Aug 1, 4:20am  

Speaking of Bill Maher, I will be glad when he's back from hiatus in September. Friday night television just isn't the same without his wit, intelligence and guests. He was perfmorming here in Pasadena at the Ice House some time back and is a very nice and funny gentleman.

11   elliemae   2010 Aug 1, 4:29am  

elliemae says

The problem is that rayray lacks the ability to understand satire. He enjoys attacking without understanding the issue - rendering his comments useless and displaying his ignorance. He didn’t read what you posted, instead choosing to call you a racist.

Don't try to understand the troll. Was it you who said he should be ignored? He really should - but like a train wreck, we can't look away. He's driven away many posters from the forum with his drivel, and that's unfortunate. He's quick to attack others without the ability to understand that he's neither liked nor appreciated.

BTW: saw Bill Maher on stage. damn funny.

12   RayAmerica   2010 Aug 1, 4:31am  

marcus says

Obviously, he meant if you’re a white racist. Shock me Ray, and simply acknowledge that this is true, and that it bothers you to be in the same party with many racists.

Prepare yourself to be really, really shocked. I'm not a Republican. I'm not a Democrat either. I am a conservative independent. To tell you the truth, I'm sick of both major parties. There are racists everywhere, amongst Democrats (Sharpton, Jackson, etc.) including in the Black community. Who does the racist Farrakhan typically vote for, Republicans or Democrats? I'll give you one example reverse racism: years ago, my wife, while working herself through school, worked at a place where she was the only white girl. She and a black girl became very good friends. One day, the black girl told her she was being pressured by the other black girls "not to be friends" with my wife. Why? Simply because my wife is white. My wife also happens to be one of the sweetest people you will ever meet. Literally, everyone loves her. What was her crime? Tragically, the friend of my wife was killed in a car accident not long after the "not to be friends" incident. We went to the funeral. To say we were treated like outsiders is an understatement. There are plenty of racists in every community and it shows itself in a variety of ways. When I went to a racially mixed high school that was predominated by Italians, trust me, if you weren't Italian and wanted to date an Italian girl, you were in big trouble. What was that? I call that racism too. Racism is a part of fallen human nature and it knows no boundaries. I have always lived my life by treating people as individuals and am about as far away as you can get from being a racist.

13   RayAmerica   2010 Aug 1, 4:32am  

Marcus .... shock me. Admit there are racists amongst Democrats too.

14   elliemae   2010 Aug 1, 4:35am  

RayAmerica says

I have always lived my life by treating people as individuals and am about as far away as you can get from being a racist.

Oh, I doubt that. All you must do is open your mouth and your anger identifies you. Why would you post all that, claiming to be a vcitim of so many other racists? Is that all in your life that defines you and makes you an angry troll on an interwebs real estate forum? Is your anger what drives you to attack me constantly?

Perhaps you were treated like an outsider at the funeral because you were one. Not the color of your skin, but your pervasive attitude.

15   marcus   2010 Aug 1, 4:46am  

RayAmerica says

Marcus …. shock me. Admit there are racists amongst Democrats too.

Obviously.

RayAmerica says

I have always lived my life by treating people as individuals and am about as far away as you can get from being a racist.

Then why so troubled by my post ? Do you wish to deny that most of the power is in the hands of old white men ? Do you deny that there is some ignorance and fear there in the form of racism ? The transition coming up, to being far more diverse even than we are now, where whites are a minority is kind of a big deal to those people no ? It's not discussed very much. Is it a factor in the fear mongering that gets perpetuated by the right wing media ?

16   jkl   2010 Aug 1, 5:06am  

People accept that males are generally more violent than females - this has to do with hormonal levels and brain chemistry - and there is no one screaming that there are too many males in prison versus females. So if African-Americans are shown to have slightly different brain chemistries or hormonal levels ON AVERAGE than white Americans then why cannot the same logic be applied? People accept all sorts of racial differences when it comes to how fast people can run, how high they can jump, how muscular and defined they are - but they cannot accept slight differences in testosterone levels or other differences in hormonal or brain chemistry? Is this the dark ages?

So blacks as a group are worse off, but a token amount of blacks are benefiting from the supposed "victimhood" of their people? I thought one of the main pillars of logic behind affirmative action was to help elevate black people as a group - but here we are, nearly a 700% increase in the number of black politicians yet the black community as a whole has deteriorated at an alarming rate - to the point where we once had 3x the number of blacks in college as in prison to where we have more blacks in prison than college.

What have all these years of screaming and protesting and objecting and being outraged gotten your people Reverend Jackson? Mr. Sharpton? Your people are worse off now than they were 20 years ago - why is that?

And now we have the newest black "victim" in the long line of black victims we are forced to hear about every February in this country - Shirley Sherrod saying that "If there were more African-Americans in the USDA perhaps I would not have been fired so hastily". So the myth perpetuates itself - the more blacks in "power" = better lives for African-Americans - but it actually seems to be quite the opposite.

Africa and Haiti serves the prime example, where once thriving cultures existed under colonial rule, since the whites were forced to leave the living conditions have deteriorated even as GDP grew because all the money was funneled into the coffers of Black Dictators, part of the problem is that blacks dont understand politics or participate in them at all except for immediate direct benefit and it always leads to their self impalement. Blacks should rejoice in having the benevolant white ruler to care for and guide them like a son and daughter. Blacks must accept that they need whites to thrive and embrace the truth, as white should respect that blacks should be helped and treated as children who need our love and attention.

17   elliemae   2010 Aug 1, 6:50am  

surfingerman says

Blacks should rejoice in having the benevolant white ruler to care for and guide them like a son and daughter. Blacks must accept that they need whites to thrive and embrace the truth, as white should respect that blacks should be helped and treated as children who need our love and attention.

ummmmmmmmmmm... where to start?

surfingerman, have you been reading up on Charles Manson? His belief was that there would be a race war, the blacks would win and become the ones in power - only to find that they aren't smart enough to run things. Enter Manson, who along with his "family" would assume that role.

Only the racial uprisings weren't occuring fast enough, so he helped it along by the massacre of innocent people, writing incendiary sayings on the walls and carving the word "War" into one of the victims. It was his hope that he could help start the process.

Did I just compare you to Charles Manson? Nope. I just pointed out that the words that you wrote, in the order in which you wrote them, indicated that you believe African Americans (and black people in general) aren't as smart as the rest of the world - and that they require white people to guide them.

And that was horribly offensive.

The thread quoted the Onion.com, a site that's satire at its best. It was funny, it poked fun at racism, and is not to be taken seriously.

Neither are you - but you're not funny in the least.

18   jkl   2010 Aug 1, 8:09am  

"And that was horribly offensive. "

facts arn't swayed by sensitivities

19   jkl   2010 Aug 1, 8:11am  

"The thread quoted the Onion.com, a site that’s satire at its best."

irrelevant

20   jkl   2010 Aug 1, 8:11am  

"Neither are you"

irrelevant

21   jkl   2010 Aug 1, 8:11am  

"but you’re not funny in the least."

irrelevant

22   jkl   2010 Aug 1, 8:14am  

", have you been reading up on Charles Manson? His belief was that there would be a race war, the blacks would win and become the ones in power - only to find that they aren’t smart enough to run things. Enter Manson, who along with his “family” would assume that role."

no ones advocating race war im advocating racial harmony and peace as existed under apartheid in south Africa, lowest murder and violence rate in the entire history of south Africa, same goes for the south under slavery, lowest rate of violence by far, over 1700% less murders and 7900% less rape per capita (including only a total 126 document case of lynchings aka death sentence, mainly for murders)

23   jkl   2010 Aug 1, 8:30am  

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/world/detail/76392/
Israel to expel hundreds of migrant workers' kids
Israel on Sunday approved new residency criteria that could result in the deportations of hundreds of children of migrant workers. The decision by Israel's Cabinet represented a small step by Israel to clear up the status of thousands of foreign workers in Israel.
Israeli sees fit to expel anchor babies from their county, Israel is getting swamped with African Jews, however they are now forcibly sterilizing them and sending them packing form Israel, so will you condemn Israel for these actiond Ellie Mae? i suspect not

24   marcus   2010 Aug 1, 9:05am  

Ellie may, I think your friend Ray was correct. This thread was a mistake. There are some arguments that even I won't attempt. I'm not going to argue with this doofus, but I will answer one.

surfingerman says

case of superior creativity or intelligence or productivity

American culture, some say is not even really a culture, because we don't have a long enough history and because we are a "melting pot." But if there was one single cultural art form that is quintessentially American, it would be music, especially Jazz, the Blues, R&B, and yes now Hip Hop.

In time everything you say surfinger will be proven wrong. You need to read some of the research that talks about the importance of location relative to natural resources, food and so on. Over 10 or 20 centuries these things can lead to a very real advantage. The advantages that accrued to the lucky and aggressive Europeans had to do with many factors other than race. Sure they got a jump on modernity. So ?

I suppose that you think the reasons that Germans followed Hitler's madness so blindly was because too many of them had blond hair ?

25   elliemae   2010 Aug 1, 9:27am  

marcus says

Ellie may, I think your friend Ray was correct. This thread was a mistake

It was amusing - but you have a point. The interwebs have deep dark corners...

26   RayAmerica   2010 Aug 1, 1:08pm  

marcus says

Do you deny that there is some ignorance and fear there in the form of racism ?

The operative word is "some." As I stated in the above post, racism is inherent in human nature and is found everywhere in a variety of forms. Let me give you one more example: in America, SOME dark skinned blacks are prejudiced against light skinned blacks. This is a well known fact. I even saw this in San Juan, Puerto Rico. The light skinned in Puerto Rico are very prejudiced against the darker skinned people. Furthermore, in Africa right now there is black on black slavery being practiced. My point is that racism is not found only amongst whites, it is found amongst all races and ethnic groups all over the world.

27   RayAmerica   2010 Aug 1, 1:13pm  

elliemae says

Oh, I doubt that. All you must do is open your mouth and your anger identifies you.

You have, along with numerous other lies, accused me of being a "racist that hates blacks," a "follower of Hitler," etc. Now is the time to prove or disprove whether or not you are the liar I know you to be. Copy and paste here for all to see the quotes where I have EVER praised Hitler, attacked Black people, displayed racism in any way. Go ahead ellie. Prove yourself to be either an honest person or a shameless liar.

28   simchaland   2010 Aug 1, 1:44pm  

surfingerman says

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/world/detail/76392/
Israel to expel hundreds of migrant workers’ kids...
Israeli sees fit to expel anchor babies from their county, Israel is getting swamped with African Jews, however they are now forcibly sterilizing them and sending them packing form Israel...

1. I can speak as an American Jew. I'm not Israeli. I have never been there. I don't have any voting rights there. I'm an American Jew and therefore completely American, and a private citizen at that with no diplomatic power, and have no control over what this foreign country does or doesn't do.

2. I wouldn't quote too much from Ukrainian newspapers when they report on "Jews." They have a long standing hatred of Jews that goes back centuries and they will do anything to make Jews look bad on the international stage, and they will persecute their Ukrainian Jews enacting pogroms that would make your hair curl.

3. There is nothing in that article that says anything about Israel sterilizing anyone. That accusation is your own, has no basis in fact, and sounds like it's born out of unreasoned hate.

Thank you for illustrating the very nature of this entire thread.

29   jkl   2010 Aug 1, 1:47pm  

3. There is nothing in that article that says anything about Israel sterilizing anyone. That accusation is your own and sounds like it’s born out of unreasoned hate.
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=10427458787&topic=12819

NAZARETH, Israel // Health officials in Israel are subjecting many female Ethiopian immigrants to a controversial long-term birth control drug in what Israeli women’s groups allege is a racist policy to reduce the number of black babies.

The contraceptive, known as Depo Provera, which is given by injection every three months, is considered by many doctors as a birth control method of last resort because of problems treating its side effects.

However, according to a report published last week, use of the contraceptive by Israeli doctors has risen threefold over the past few years. Figures show that 57 per cent of Depo Provera users in Israel are Ethiopian, even though the community accounts for less than two per cent of the total population.

About 90,000 Ethiopians have been brought to Israel under the Law of Return since the 1980s, but their Jewishness has subsequently been questioned by some rabbis and is doubted by many ordinary Israelis.

Ethiopians are reported to face widespread discrimination in jobs, housing and education and it recently emerged that their blood donations were routinely discarded.

“This is about reducing the number of births in a community that is black and mostly poor,” said Hedva Eyal, the author of the report by Woman to Woman, a feminist organisation based in Haifa, in northern Israel. “The unspoken policy is that only children who are white and Ashkenazi are wanted in Israel,” she said, referring to the term for European Jews who founded Israel and continue to dominate its institutions.

Women’s groups were alerted to the widespread use of Depo Provera in the Ethiopian community in 2008 when Rachel Mangoli, who runs a day care centre for 120 Ethiopian children in Bnei Braq, a suburb of Tel Aviv, observed that she had received only one new child in the previous three years.

“I started to think about how strange the situation was after I had to send back donated baby clothes because there was no one in the community to give them to,” she said.

She approached a local health clinic serving the 55 Ethiopian families in Bnei Braq and was told by the clinic manager that they had been instructed to administer Depo Provera injections to the women of child-bearing age, though he refused to say who had issued the order.

Ms Mangoli, who interviewed the women, said: “They had not been told about alternative forms of contraception or about the side effects or given medical follow-ups.” The women complained of a wide range of side effects associated with the drug, including headaches, abdominal pain, fatigue, nausea, loss of libido and general burning sensations.

Depo Provera is also known to decrease bone density, especially among dark-skinned women, which can lead to osteoporosis in later life. Doctors are concerned that it is difficult or impossible to help women who experience severe side effects because the drug is in their system for months after it is injected.

The contraceptive’s reputation has also been tarnished by its association with South Africa, where the apartheid government had used it, often coercively, to limit the fertility of black women.

Traditionally, its main uses have been for women who are regarded as incapable of controlling their own reproduction or monitor other forms of birth control, and for women who suffer severe problems during menstruation.

Ms Eyal said she had been denied co-operation from government ministries, doctors and most of the health insurance companies while conducting her research.

Clalit, the largest health company, however, did provide figures showing that 57 per cent of its Depo Provera users were Ethiopian compared with a handful of women in other ethnic groups.

The health ministry was unavailable for comment.

When first questioned about Depo Provera in June 2008, the health minister of the time, Yaacov Ben Yezri, said the high number of Ethiopians in Israel using the drug reflected a “cultural preference” for injections among Ethiopians. In fact, according to figures of the World Health Organisation, three-quarters of women in Ethiopia using birth control take the oral pill.

“The answers we received from officials demonstrated overt racism,” Ms Eyal said. “They suggested that Ethiopian women should be treated not as individuals but as a collective group whose reproduction needs controlling.”

When Woman to Woman conducted an experiment by sending five non-Ethiopian women to doctors to ask for Depo Provera, all were told that it was prescribed only in highly unusual cases.

Ms Mangoli said it was extremely difficult to get immigrant Ethiopian families to speak out because they were afraid that their Jewishness was under suspicion and that they might be deported if they caused trouble.

However, women interviewed anonymously for the report stated that officials at absorption centres in Ethiopia advised them to take Depo Provera because there would be no funds to support their children if they got pregnant in Israel.

This policy appears to conflict with the stated goals of the country’s Demography Council, a group of experts charged with devising ways to persuade Jewish women to have more babies.

The council was established in response to what is widely seen in Israel as a “demographic war” with Palestinians, or the need to maintain a Jewish majority in the region despite high Palestinian birth rates. In a speech marking the council’s reconvening in 2002, the then social welfare minister, Shlomo Benizri, referred to “the beauty of the Jewish family that is blessed with many children”.

Yali Hashash, a researcher at Haifa University, said attempts to restrict Ethiopian women’s fertility echoed practices used against Jewish women who immigrated to Israel from such Arab countries as Iraq, Yemen and Morocco in the state’s early years, in the 1950s and 1960s.

Many, she said, had been encouraged to fit IUDs when the device was still experimental because Israel’s leading gynecologists regarded Arab Jews as “primitive” and incapable of acting “responsibly”.

Allegations of official racism towards Ethiopians gained prominence in 2006 when it was admitted that for many years all their blood donations had been discarded for fear that they might be contaminated with diseases.

There have also been regular reports of Ethiopian children being denied places in schools or being forced to attend separate classes.

In November a survey of employers in the main professions showed that 53 per cent preferred not to hire an Ethiopian.

Ruth Sinai, an Israeli social affairs reporter for Haaretz newspaper, wrote recently that the discrimination faced by the country’s 120,000 Ethiopians reflected in particular “doubts on the part of the country’s religious establishment about their Jewishness”.

30   simchaland   2010 Aug 1, 1:49pm  

surfingerman says

3. There is nothing in that article that says anything about Israel sterilizing anyone. That accusation is your own and sounds like it’s born out of unreasoned hate.
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=10427458787&topic=12819

Ooo, a quote from an anti-semitic facebook account. How much more outside of reality could you get? Thanks for playing and for making it more clear who you really are.

Oh and facebook is legendary for allowing lots of anti-semitic crap to exist and spread. Nice try, but really, it's still not evidence based on facts.

31   jkl   2010 Aug 1, 1:55pm  

and before anyone calls me racist i myself have helped 5 Haitians here, i know i cannot treat them as my equal, if i were they would stomp me to death, i keep them at gunpoint and let them know whos boss and thats me, i direct and police them and make sure their not up to shenanigans and behaving themselves, they were in prison before and now their doing much better as long as keep up with them and act as their parent and guardian and treat them as the irresponsible children they are, they are now flourishing and one even got married just last month, blacks mostly lack a strong fatherly figure to lay down the law with them, they have highly elevated testosterone levels and you have to keep them in fear or they will devour you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDh4NDqzRQQ&feature=player_embedded

^this is what happens when you let blacks unsupervised in a European style govt

32   simchaland   2010 Aug 1, 1:58pm  

Surfingerman, thanks for showing your true colors. I think that most reasonable people can tell who you really are.

The more you post, the more you dig yourself into a hole out of which you won't be able to climb.

Sadly I'm not amazed that people like you still exist in the world.

Everyone who reads the comment above should go to youtube and watch the video. Then read the comments below the video. I think it's self-explanatory what point of view is being expressed here.

33   jkl   2010 Aug 1, 2:01pm  

what is anti-semitism.. no such thing just a imaginary word

im actually 1/4 "jew" as well i find all this anti-semitism bull-crap completely ridiculous

35   simchaland   2010 Aug 1, 2:03pm  

Yes, and my Great Uncle who was 100% Jewish was the biggest racist and anti-semite I have ever known. So please, your denouncements fall on deaf ears here.

36   simchaland   2010 Aug 1, 2:08pm  

surfingerman says

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oljrngl5Iwc

And this is Russian television. Do I need to remind anyone what Russians really feel about Jews and the history of hate there?

37   RayAmerica   2010 Aug 2, 7:36am  

elliemae says

Oh, I doubt that. All you must do is open your mouth and your anger identifies you.

RayAmerica says

You have, along with numerous other lies, accused me of being a “racist that hates blacks,” a “follower of Hitler,” etc. Now is the time to prove or disprove whether or not you are the liar I know you to be. Copy and paste here for all to see the quotes where I have EVER praised Hitler, attacked Black people, displayed racism in any way. Go ahead ellie. Prove yourself to be either an honest person or a shameless liar.

Still there elliemae or have you left the building??

38   CBOEtrader   2010 Aug 2, 8:41am  

We owe the american institution of pork BBQ to African slaves. The slaves were tossed the comparatively inedible ribs and shoulder cuts of the pork, while the slave masters would eat high on the hog tenderloin and chop cuts. The slaves perfected the low and slow process of cooking ribs and pulled pork shoulder in a BBQ pit. That is huge in my book.

Also, I can't remember the exact quote, but Sitting Bull noted that the (paraphrased) "white man knows not how to live with the land. He leaves scars on Mother Earth everywhere he goes." So surfingerman thinks european culture, european values, and european morals should be held as the father figure over other lessor cultures. Tell me surfingerman, what European culture doesn't leave scars on the earth as a byproduct?

I think we have a lot to learn from those primitive people's you seem to scorn so much.

39   elliemae   2010 Aug 2, 2:46pm  

RayAmerica says

elliemae says


Oh, I doubt that. All you must do is open your mouth and your anger identifies you.

RayAmerica says

You have, along with numerous other lies, accused me of being a “racist that hates blacks,” a “follower of Hitler,” etc. Now is the time to prove or disprove whether or not you are the liar I know you to be. Copy and paste here for all to see the quotes where I have EVER praised Hitler, attacked Black people, displayed racism in any way. Go ahead ellie. Prove yourself to be either an honest person or a shameless liar.

Still there elliemae or have you left the building??

yawn.

read your own posts - I mean, really read them, rather than just be thrilled that your words are online, and you'll see how your anger is targeted toward everyone else. Look in the mirror, dude.

And your obsession with me is really creepy.

40   RayAmerica   2010 Aug 3, 1:01am  

elliemae says

read your own posts - I mean, really read them, rather than just be thrilled that your words are online, and you’ll see how your anger is targeted toward everyone else. Look in the mirror, dude.
And your obsession with me is really creepy.

What's really "creepy" is a "Jewish woman" that lies and slanders as if she's a clone of Joseph Goebbels and then pretends to play the high moral ground.

You didn't copy and paste one single comment made by me in which, as YOU claim, I "hate blacks," am a "racist," and an "admirer of Hitler." Why? Because not one exists.

Thanks for proving my point: your silence proves you are in fact one horrendous LIAR.

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