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By resistance following x   2007 Sep 11, 1:35am 247,108 views   946 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Originally from http://www.faithfreedom.org/

A Call to the Muslims of the World from a Group of Freethinkers and Humanists of Muslim Origins

Dear friends,

The tragic incidents of September 11 have shocked the world. It is unthinkable that anyone could be so full of hate as to commit such heinous acts and kill so many innocent people. We people of Muslim origin are as much shaken as the rest of the world and yet we find ourselves looked upon with suspicion and distrust by our neighbours and fellow citizens. We want to cry out and tell the world that we are not terrorists, and that those who perpetrate such despicable acts are murderers and not part of us. But, in reality, because of our Muslim origins we just cannot erase the stigma of Islamic Terrorism from our identity!

What most Muslims will say:

Islam would never support the killing of innocent people. Allah of the Holy Qur'an never advocated killings. This is all the work of a few misguided individuals at the fringes of society. The real Islam is sanctified from violence. We denounce all violence. Islam means peace. Islam means tolerance.

What knowledgeable Muslims should say:

That is what most Muslims think, but is it true? Does Islam really preach peace, tolerance and non-violence? The Muslims who perpetrate these crimes think differently. They believe that what they do is Jihad (holy war). They say that killing unbelievers is mandatory for every Muslim. They do not kill because they wish to break the laws of Islam but because they think this is what true Muslims should do. Those who blow-up their own bodies to kill more innocent people do so because they think they will be rewarded in Paradise. They hope to be blessed by Allah, eat celestial food, drink pure wine and enjoy the company of divine consorts. Are they completely misguided? Where did they get this distorted idea? How did they come to believe that killing innocent people pleases God? Or is it that we are misguided? Does really Islam preach violence? Does it call upon its believers to kill non-believers? We denounce those who commit acts of violence and call them extremists. But are they really extremists or are they following what the holy book, the Qur'an tells them to do? What does the Qur'an teach? Have we read the Qur'an? Do we know what kind of teachings are there? Let us go through some of them and take a closer look at what Allah says.

What the Qur'an Teaches Us:

We have used the most widely available English text of the Qur'an and readers are welcome to verify our quotes from the holy book. Please have an open mind and read through these verses again and again. The following quotes are taken from the most trusted Yusufali's translation of the Qur'an. The Qur'an tells us: not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (5:51), kill the disbelievers wherever we find them (2:191), murder them and treat them harshly (9:123), fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (9:5). The Qur'an demands that we fight the unbelievers, and promises If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them (8:65). Allah and his messenger want us to fight the Christians and the Jews until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued (9:29). Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (9:3). Our God tells us to fight the unbelievers and He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them (9:14).

The Qur'an takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and relegates those who disbelieve in Islam to hell (5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28), and orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (2:193). It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (14:17). It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter (5:34). And tells us that for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods (22:19-22) and that they not only will have disgrace in this life, but on the Day of Judgment He shall make them taste the Penalty of burning (Fire) (22:9). The Qur'an says that those who invoke a god other than Allah not only should meet punishment in this world but the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to them, and they will dwell therein in ignominy (25:68). For those who believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire! (48:13). Although we are asked to be compassionate amongst each other, we have to be harsh with unbelievers, our Christian, Jewish and Atheist neighbours and colleagues (48:29). As for him who does not believe in Islam, the Prophet announces with a stern command: Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin. (69:30-37) The Qur'an prohibits a Muslim from befriending a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (9:23), (3:28). Our holy book asks us to be disobedient towards the disbelievers and their governments and strive against the unbelievers with great endeavour (25:52) and be stern with them because they belong to Hell (66:9). The holy Prophet prescribes fighting for us and tells us that it is good for us even if we dislike it (2:216). Then he advises us to strike off the heads of the disbelievers; and after making a wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives (47:4). Our God has promised to instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers and has ordered us to smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them (8:12). He also assures us that when we kill in his name it is not us who slay them but Allah, in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself (8:17). He orders us to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies (8:60). He has made the Jihad mandatory and warns us that Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place (9:39). Allah speaks to our Holy Prophet and says O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed (9:73).

He promises us that in the fight for His cause whether we slay or are slain we return to the garden of Paradise (9:111). In Paradise he will wed us with Houris (celestial virgins) pure beautiful ones (56:54), and unite us with large-eyed beautiful ones while we recline on our thrones set in lines (56:20). There we are promised to eat and drink pleasantly for what we did (56:19). He also promises boys like hidden pearls (56:24) and youth never altering in age like scattered pearls (for those who have paedophiliac inclinations) (76:19). As you see, Allah has promised all sorts or rewards, gluttony and unlimited sex to Muslim men who kill unbelievers in his name. We will be admitted to Paradise where we shall find goodly things, beautiful ones, pure ones confined to the pavilions that man has not touched them before nor jinni (56:67-71).In the West we enjoy freedom of belief but we are not supposed to give such freedom to anyone else because it is written If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good) (3:85). And He orders us to fight them on until there is no more tumult and faith in Allah is practiced everywhere (8:39). As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (4:34). It advises to take a green branch and beat your wife, because a green branch is more flexible and hurts more. (38:44). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (2:228). It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the courts of law (2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Our Holy Prophet allows us to marry up to four wives and he licensed us to sleep with our slave maids and as many 'captive' women as we may have (4:3) even if those women are already married. He himself did just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women. Pakistani soldiers allegedly raped up to 250,000 Bengali women in 1971 after they massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed that Bangladeshis are un-Islamic. This is why the prison guards in Islamic regime of Iran rape the women that in their opinion are apostates prior to killing them, as they believe a virgin will not go to Hell.

Dear fellow Muslims:Is this the Islam you believe in? Is this your Most Merciful, Most Compassionate Allah whom you worship daily? Could Allah incite you to kill other peoples? Please understand that there is no terrorist gene - but there could be a terrorist mindset. That mindset finds its most fertile ground in the tenets of Islam. Denying it, and presenting Islam to the lay public as a religion of peace similar to Buddhism, is to suppress the truth. The history of Islam between the 7th and 14th centuries is riddled with violence, fratricide and wars of aggression, starting right from the death of the Prophet and during the so-called 'pure' or orthodox caliphate. And Muhammad himself hoisted the standard of killing, looting, massacres and bloodshed. How can we deny the entire history? The behaviour of our Holy Prophet as recorded in authentic Islamic sources is quite questionable from a modern viewpoint. The Prophet was a charismatic man but he had few virtues. Imitating him in all aspects of life (following the Sunnah) is both impossible and dangerous in the 21st century. Why are we so helplessly in denial over this simple issue? When the Prophet was in Mecca and he was still not powerful enough he called for tolerance. He said To you be your religion, and to me my religion (109:6). This famous quote is often misused to prove that the general principle of Qur'an is tolerance. He advised his follower to speak good to their enemies (2: 83), exhorted them to be patient (20:103) and said that there is no compulsion in religion (2:256). But that all changed drastically when he came to power. Then killing and slaying unbelievers with harshness and without mercy was justified in innumerable verses. The verses quoted to prove Islam's tolerance ignore many other verses that bear no trace of tolerance or forgiveness. Where is tolerance in this well-known verse Alarzu Lillah, Walhukmu Lillah. (The Earth belongs to Allah and thus only Allah's rule should prevail all over the earth.).Is it normal that a book revealed by God should have so many serious contradictions? The Prophet himself set the example of unleashing violence by invading the Jewish settlements, breaking treaties he had signed with them and banishing some of them after confiscating their belongings, massacring others and taking their wives and children as slaves. He inspected the youngsters and massacred all those who had pubic hair along with the men. Those who were younger he kept as slaves. He distributed the women captured in his raids among his soldiers keeping the prettiest for himself (33:50). He made sexual advances on Safiyah, a Jewish girl on the same day he captured her town Kheibar and killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives. Reyhana was another Jewish girl of Bani Quriza whom he used as a sex slave after killing all her male relatives. In the last ten years of his life he accumulated two scores of wives, concubines and sex slaves including the 9 year old Ayesha. These are not stories but records from authentic Islamic history and the Hadiths. It can be argued that this kind of behaviour was not unknown or unusual for the conquerors and leaders of the mediaeval world but these are not the activities befitting of a peaceful saint and certainly not someone who claimed to be the Mercy of God for all creation. There were known assassinations of adversaries during the Prophet's time, which he had knowledge of and had supported. Among them there was a 120 year old man, Abu 'Afak whose only crime was to compose a lyric satirical of the Prophet. (by Ibn Sa'd Kitab al Tabaqat al Kabir, Volume 2, page 32) Then when a poetess, a mother of 5 small children 'Asma' Bint Marwan wrote a poetry cursing the Arabs for letting Muhammad assassinate an old man, our Holy Prophet ordered her to be assassinated too in the middle of the night while her youngest child was suckling from her breast. (Sirat Rasul Allah (A. Guillaume's translation The Life of Muhammad) page 675, 676).The Prophet did develop a 'Robin Hood' image that justified raiding merchant caravans attacking cities and towns, killing people and looting their belongings in the name of social justice. Usama Bin Laden is also trying to create the same image. But Robin Hood didn't claim to be a prophet or a pacifist nor did he care for apologist arguments. He did not massacre innocent people indiscriminately nor did he profit by reducing free people to slaves and then trading them. With the known and documented violent legacy of Islam, how can we suddenly rediscover it as a religion of peace in the free world in the 21st century? Isn't this the perpetuation of a lie by a few ambitious leaders in order to gain political control of the huge and ignorant Muslim population? They are creating a polished version of Islam by completely ignoring history. They are propagating the same old dogma for simple believing people in a crisp new modern package. Their aim: to gain political power in today's high-tension world. They want to use the confrontational power of the original Islam to catalyse new conflicts and control new circles of power.

Dear conscientious Muslims, please question yourselves. Isn't this compulsive following of a man who lived 1400 years ago leading us to doom in a changing world? Do the followers of any other religion follow one man in such an all-encompassing way? Who are we deceiving, them or ourselves? Dear brothers and sisters, see how our Umma (people) has sunk into poverty and how it lags behind the rest of the world. Isn't it because we are following a religion that is outdated and impractical? In this crucial moment of history, when a great catastrophe has befallen us and a much bigger one is lying ahead, should not we wake up from our 1400 years of slumber and see where things have gone wrong? Hatred has filled the air and the world is bracing itself for its doomsday. Should we not ask ourselves whether we have contributed, wittingly or unwittingly, to this tragedy and whether we can stop the great disaster from happening?Unfortunately the answer to the first question is yes. Yes we have contributed to the rise of fundamentalism by merely claiming Islam is a religion of peace, by simply being a Muslim and by saying our shahada (testimony that Allah is the only God and Muhammad is his messenger). By our shahada we have recognized Muhammad as a true messenger of God and his book as the words of God. But as you saw above those words are anything but from God. They call for killing, they are prescriptions for hate and they foment intolerance. And when the ignorant among us read those hate-laden verses, they act on them and the result is the infamous September 11, human bombs in Israel, massacres in East Timor and Bangladesh, kidnappings and killings in the Philippines, slavery in the Sudan, honour killings in Pakistan and Jordan, torture in Iran, stoning and maiming in Afghanistan and Iran, violence in Algeria, terrorism in Palestine and misery and death in every Islamic country. We are responsible because we endorse Islam and hail it as a religion of God. And we are as guilty as those who put into practice what the Qur'an preaches - and ironically we are the main victims too. If we are not terrorists, if we love peace, if we cried with the rest of the word for what happened in New York, then why are we supporting the Qur'an that preaches killing, that advocates holy war, that calls for the murder of non-Muslims? It is not the extremists who have misunderstood Islam. They do literally what the Qur'an asks them to do. It is we who misunderstand Islam. We are the ones who are confused. We are the ones who wrongly assume that Islam is the religion of peace. Islam is not a religion of peace. In its so-called pure form it can very well be interpreted as a doctrine of hate. Terrorists are doing just that and we the intellectual apologists of Islam are justifying it. We can stop this madness. Yes, we can avert the disaster that is hovering over our heads. Yes, we can denounce the doctrines that promote hate. Yes, we can embrace the rest of humanity with love. Yes, we can become part of a united world, members of one human family, flowers of one garden. We can dump the claim of infallibility of our Book, and the questionable legacy of our Prophet.Dear friends, there is no time to waste. Let us put an end to this lie. Let us not fool ourselves. Islam is not a religion of peace, of tolerance, of equality or of unity of humankind. Let us read the Qur'an. Let us face the truth even if it is painful. As long as we keep this lie alive, as long as we hide our head in the sands of Arabia we are feeding terrorism. As long as you and I keep calling Qur'an the unchangeable book of God, we cannot blame those who follow the teachings therein. As long as we pay our Khums and Zakat our money goes to promote Islamic expansionism and that means terrorism, Jihad and war. Islam divides the world in two. Darul Harb (land of war) and Darul Islam (land of Islam). Darul Harb is the land of the infidels, Muslims are required to infiltrate those lands, proselytise and procreate until their numbers increase and then start the war and fight and kill the people and impose the religion of Islam on them and convert that land into Darul Islam. In all fairness we denounce this betrayal. This is abuse of the trust. How can we make war in the countries that have sheltered us? How can we kill those who have befriended us? Yet willingly or unwillingly we have become pawns in this Islamic Imperialism. Let us see what great Islamic scholars have had to say in this respect.Dr. M. Khan the translator of Sahih Bukhari and the Qur'an into English wrote: Allah revealed in Sura Bara'at (Repentance, IX) the order to discard (all) obligations (covenants, etc), and commanded the Muslims to fight against all the Pagans as well as against the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) if they do not embrace Islam, till they pay the Jizia (a tax levied on the Jews and Christians) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued (as it is revealed in 9:29). So the Muslims were not permitted to abandon the fighting against them (Pagans, Jews and Christians) and to reconcile with them and to suspend hostilities against them for an unlimited period while they are strong and have the ability to fight against them. So at first the fighting was forbidden, then it was permitted, and after that it was made obligatory [Introduction to English translation of Sahih Bukhari, p.xxiv.] Dr. Sobhy as-Saleh, a contemporary Islamic academician quoted Imam Suyuti the author of Itqan Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an who wrote: The command to fight the infidels was delayed until the Muslims become strong, but when they were weak they were commanded to endure and be patient. [ Sobhy as_Saleh, Mabaheth Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an, Dar al-'Ilm Lel-Malayeen, Beirut, 1983, p. 269.]Dr. Sobhy, in a footnote, commends the opinion of a scholar named Zarkashi who said: Allah the most high and wise revealed to Mohammad in his weak condition what suited the situation, because of his mercy to him and his followers. For if He gave them the command to fight while they were weak it would have been embarrassing and most difficult, but when the most high made Islam victorious He commanded him with what suited the situation, that is asking the people of the Book to become Muslims or to pay the levied tax, and the infidels to become Muslims or face death. These two options, to fight or to have peace return according to the strength or the weakness of the Muslims. [ibid p. 270]Other Islamic scholars (Ibn Hazm al-Andalusi, Ga'far ar-Razi, Rabi' Ibn 'Ons, 'Abil-'Aliyah, Abd ar-Rahman Ibn Zayd Ibn 'Aslam, etc.) agree that the verse Slay the idolaters wherever you find them (9:5) cancelled those few earlier verses that called for tolerance in the Qur'an and were revealed when Islam was weak. Can you still say that Islam is the religion of peace? We propose a solution.

We know too well that it is not easy to denounce our faith because it means denouncing a part of ourselves. We are a group of freethinkers and humanists with Islamic roots. Discovering the truth and leaving the religion of our fathers and forefathers was a painful experience. But after learning what Islam stands for we had no choice but to leave it. After becoming familiar with the Qur'an the choice became clear: It is either Islam or humanity. If Islam thrives, then humanity will die. We decided to side with humanity. Culturally we are still Muslims but we no longer believe in Islam as the true religion of God. We are humanists. We love humanity. We work for the unity of humankind. We work for equality between men and women. We strive for the secularisation of Islamic countries, for democracy and freedom of thought, belief and expression. We decided to live no longer in self-deception but to embrace humanity, and to enter into the new millennium hand in hand with people of other cultures and beliefs in amity and in peace.We denounce the violence that is eulogized in the Qur'an as holy war (Jihad). We condemn killing in the name of God. We believe in the sanctity of human life, not in the inviolability of beliefs and religions. We invite you to join us and the rest of humanity and become part of the family of humankind - in love, camaraderie and peace.

Arabic translation الترجمة العربية

See http://www.centerforinquiry.net/isis and http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ for more.

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907   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 23, 3:40pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Muslim goes on rampage. Takes hours to release name, continuing to prove the "Needs Name Law" where the longer it takes to release a name, the probability of the attacker having a Muslim name approaches 1.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/police-id-danforth-shooter-1.4757566
908   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 23, 4:24pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

"Family of 29-year-old shooter says he had severe mental health problems"

Anyone who reads and follows the crap in the Koran has severe mental health problems
909   rando   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 23, 5:26pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Faisal Hussain, the man identified as the assailant in Sunday's deadly shooting rampage on Toronto's Danforth Avenue, had severe mental health problems, according to his family.

Ontario's police watchdog, the Special Investigations Unit (SIU), released Hussain's identity on Monday evening, hours after investigators say the 29-year-old Toronto resident opened fire on a number of Danforth Avenue restaurants in an attack that has left the city in shock.

Witnesses captured several chilling images and videos of the attack, which took place around 10 p.m. on Sunday and left a 10-year-old girl and 18-year-old Reese Fallon dead. More shooting victims remain in hospital, with some having undergone multiple life-saving surgeries, according to doctors.


The Koran is hate speech, and so such murders of non-Muslims are to be expected everywhere there are believing Muslims. Read the original post above.
912   curious2   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 25, 2:32am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Today I did a quick search on Google News for suicide bomb, without quotation marks. As usual, all the hits are Islamic, going back several weeks. There are so many that I will link only the most recent two days:

"Fourteen people were killed and 60 injured in a suicide bomb attack Sunday near Hamid Karzai International Airport in Afghanistan's capital of Kabul, according to a spokesman for Kabul's police chief.
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The Islamic State claimed responsibility for the attack, according to SITE intelligence group.
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[See this PatNet thread for more information about SITE and who is eligible to subscribe.]

"[ISIL/Daesh] has claimed responsibility for a deadly bomb attack near a polling station in Quetta, Pakistan, on the day of the country's general election.

Officials say the death toll has risen to at least 32, with scores more wounded. [ISIL/Daesh] claimed in its Amaq news agency that the attack was carried out by a suicide bomber, but did not provide further detail or evidence for its claim.
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"At least three suicide bombing attacks by suspected 'Islamic State' militants have left dozens dead in southern Syria."

At least eight people were killed after a suicide bomber detonated explosives in a mosque in north-east Nigeria, police told CNN.
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[P]olice in Borno said they suspect [Islamic] terror group Boko Haram, whose militants have waged a decade-long war bombing mosques, markets and other public places in northern Nigeria.
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Last month, at least 20 worshippers were killed and scores wounded in a double bomb blast targeted at a mosque in Damboa town in Borno State. Around 24 people were also killed after two bombs exploded in a mosque in Mubi, Adamawa State in May.

Boko Haram continues deadly attacks in villages in Nigeria's northeast despite claims by the military that its troops have reclaimed territories [previously] inhabited by the militant group.

Nigeria's army on Sunday said some of its soldiers were killed in an ambush by Boko Haram militants in Yobe, one of the states that has borne the brunt of attacks.
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Apologists for Islam say non-Muslims have occasionally done somewhat similar things, but that misses the point: in terms of both lethality and the number of participants, nothing comes close to Islam in producing self-organizing lethal attacks. Perpetrators include whole families, small groups, large groups, and lone individuals, and different ethnicities across different continents with different cultures and histories and speaking different languages. Perpetrators include the gregarious and the awkward; some always devout and others who had rarely gone to mosque and had been seen recently drinking alcohol. Perpetrators can be male, female, or any combination conspiring together, although most are male. Contrary to widely repeated myth, wealth and education are actually risk factors among Muslims. In western countries, Muslim immigrants' western-born children are even more dangerous than the immigrants, and that's really saying something. Wealth, education, and 2nd generation western are risk factors only among Muslims, and are usually harmless or even beneficial among non-Muslims. Aside from those risk factors and usually being male, Islamic suicide terrorists have almost nothing in common, except Islam itself.
913   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 27, 9:41am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

No Go Zone in Sydney Neighborhood.


"No Go Zones are a Conspiracy Theory"
914   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 27, 10:24am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
No Go Zone in Sydney Neighborhood.


"No Go Zones are a Conspiracy Theory"


Wow. You cannot go into a Muslim area and criticize Islam, even though the constitution allows it. You will be arrested.
A Muslim can go into a Christian area and criticize Christianity, and if you stop him, you will be arrested.
Sharia laws, even though a tiny percent of the total population are Muslims. And there is nothing we can do. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. This is what creates hate and resentment towards Muslim. This is why I hate this fucking religion. Our ancestors did not come here to be fucking Muslims. I want nothing to do with this 7th century barbaric religion, but I still have to abide by it's laws.
I say this because USA is in the same situation as Australia.
915   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 27, 11:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
I say this because USA is in the same situation as Australia.



No, we're nowhere near as cucked as Europe. Dearborn is really our only no-go area, and that is still not enforced with the help of the authorities like French Ghettos, Molenbeek, or Bradford.
916   RecentCost   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 27, 12:06pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

The cognitive dissonance of progressives supporting LGBT AND islam always amazes me. Logic be damned.
917   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 27, 5:47pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I think our own @curious2 got enlightened by the Orlando nightclub massacre. No offense intended.
919   curious2   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 28, 6:32pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
curious2 got enlightened by the Orlando nightclub massacre.


This thread had already done that.

The Orlando Pulse massacre alerted me to Democrats' absurd and arguably treasonous efforts to spread Islam, which hates us. The DoJ tried to censor all references to Islam in the 911 recordings. The Democratic nominee used the attack as an argument for gun control, even though the Islamic assailant was a courthouse security guard licensed to carry the weapons he used. The FBI had let him keep his license even after co-workers reported him as a terrorist. (The W administration renewed Mohammed Atta's visa after 9/11, so this is a bipartisan issue.) Donald Trump became the first major candidate to speak candidly about Islam since before Nixon's disastrous deals with KSA gave the Saudis undue influence over American politicians. In contrast, the Democratic nominee's campaign manager co-hosted a fundraiser with his brother Tony Podesta, who is literally a registered foreign agent for KSA.

I get annoyed when Democrats obsess over Russia, while ignoring the Democratic nominee's ties to her Saudi clients. From bragging falsely about dodging snipers in Tuzla, to hosting the first White House Iftar dinner, to Hillary's War in Libya (expanded into Syria including arming Sunni militias including ultimately al-Quaida), to campaigning on importing 60k "Syrian" Sunnis (including probably 1k ISIL/Daesh), she worked relentlessly for her Saudi clients.

BTW, some people refused to see the Orlando Pulse attack as Islamic or anti-gay, despite overwhelming evidence.

Glenn Greenwald still refuses to see any connection between the Orlando Pulse attack and the fact Pulse was a gay club. Several witnesses recalled seeing Omar Mateen at the club a dozen times, and talking with him, but FBI dismissed all of them and suddenly Greenwald believes the FBI.

IRL, some friends bought the DNC party line. One Latino friend called it anti-Latino, due to it happening on Latin night.

RecentCost says
The cognitive dissonance of progressives supporting LGBT AND islam always amazes me.


Me too. The DNC nominee had opposed marriage equality until 2013, when polls showed she couldn't get the nomination without supporting it. She has consistently supported Islam, even while her own emails showed she knew her Saudi clients were principal funders of terrorism, which she acknowledged was "clearly rooted in Islamic thinking."
920   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 28, 6:36pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
Dearborn is really our only no-go area


I went to the U of Michigan in Ann Arbor, and lots of students there were Arabs from Dearborn, a suburb of Detroit. About half of the Arabs were from the Christian minorities in Lebanon (Maronites) and Iraq (Assyrians and Chaldeans). I did get occasional feelings of hostility from Muslims, just a weird vibe like that I was definitely an outsider to them, but didn't ever hear that Dearborn itself was dangerous to walk around in. Detroit itself is spectacularly dangerous though.
922   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 28, 7:38pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

curious2 says
some people refused to see the Orlando Pulse attack as Islamic or anti-gay, despite overwhelming evidence


It was pretty astonishing me too, given how brazenly Islamic and anti-gay the massacre was:

Mateen identified himself as "Mujahideen", "Islamic Soldier", and "Soldier of God";[2][3] and pledged his allegiance multiple times to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the militant jihadist group Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.


The fact that the press and the Democrats absolutely refused to link Mateen with his overtly stated motives yet again confirmed for me that the press and the Democratic party cannot be trusted to tell the truth or act in the country's best interests. Republicans are only marginally better. Trump was doing well in telling the truth about Islam until his visit to Saudi Arabia. Then he stopped.
924   Rin   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 28, 10:37pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I'd written about Orlando ...

http://patrick.net/post/1296234/2016-09-27-rin-s-truth-orlando-shooter-was-a-closet-gay-guy

The Orlando gunman was a repressed, Islamic closet gay guy.

If his father had died, when he was a boy and he'd been raised by me, we would have gotten drunk, attended Metallica concerts together, and f.ucked hoes around the world.

And then one day ... he realizes that instead of poking the likes of a Selma Hayek look-a-like, he'd rather do a male Chippendale's model, well, at that point, we'd part ways at the hotel, so that I go into my private quarters with a busty lingerie model, whereas he goes back to his suite with an Adonis type. I don't need anymore details than that. Really ... I don't want to know.

In the morning, we meet up for breakfast. He's happy and then realizes, he doesn't need to go on a killing spree to be content in life.

He can f.uck man hoes and I can f.uck, female hoes. All is well in the world.

Once again, Rin-Wah proves that he's a better man than the other losers out there.
926   curious2   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 30, 2:22am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
Republicans are only marginally better.


That depends on the candidate. The Bush/Clinton/KSA relationship goes back decades: Bush 43 was worse than Obama, and Bush 41 was probably worse than Carter. During the 2016 campaign, Trump seemed sometimes better than Clinton, but only time will tell what happens in office.
927   Reality   ignore (5)   2018 Jul 30, 5:30am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Rin says
Once again, Rin-Wah proves that he's a better man than the other losers out there.


Well, you need to raise that (so far only hypothetical) kid into a rational adult in order to prove your point.

Just like SJW women, by jacking up living expenses for the rest of the population around them while refusing to breed, the action/behavior of life-long recreation-only sex is increasing the cost of reproduction for surrounding rational population, thereby enabling population replacement by the religiously-fanatical breeders. That's how Dark Ages come about: people wedded to rational self-interest not breeding, while the religiously-fanatical breed like rabbits.

I don't know about you, but I for one don't want to be surrounded by 7th century fanatics when I get old.
928   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 1, 6:18pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6015277/Washington-couple-quit-jobs-travel-world-bicycles-killed-terror-attack.html

American couple killed in a terror attack in Tajikistan: Tourists who were run down on their bikes by an SUV filled with knife-wielding men had quit their jobs and decided to travel around the world
Jay Austin and Lauren Geoghegan, both 29, were Americans killed in Tajikistan
The couple and two others were murdered in terror attack with car and knives
They had quit their jobs in July 2017 to see the world on their bicycles
On their blog the couple said humans in cars posed the most danger to them
Austin and Geoghegan had said bike tours were 'relatively safe' though
Family and friends mourned the 'larger-than-life' and 'warm-hearted' couple
929   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 1, 6:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
American couple killed in a terror attack in Tajikistan: Tourists who were run down on their bikes by an SUV filled with knife-wielding men had quit their jobs and decided to travel around the world
Jay Austin and Lauren Geoghegan, both 29, were Americans killed in Tajikistan
The couple and two others were murdered in terror attack with car and knives
They had quit their jobs in July 2017 to see the world on their bicycles


It's wonderful to do something like that when you are still young. Very foolish to do anything like that in Islamic Shit holes.
931   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 3, 8:49am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

zzyzzx says


Finally.....Allah -whore-Akbar

Score: Allah-1, Jesus-0
933   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 3, 10:00pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

A Paki friend, well assimilated into the west and very happy here, told me the other day that I had no idea what it was really like in Pakistan, how backward and insanely hostile the people are to anything that questions Islam in even the slightest way. He said they'd kill him if he went back, because he married a Christian woman and he did not insist that she convert to Islam.

I think I do have an idea, but probably not the full picture. He confirmed that idea for me by his comment.
935   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 6, 10:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
A Paki friend, well assimilated into the west and very happy here, told me the other day that I had no idea what it was really like in Pakistan, how backward and insanely hostile the people are to anything that questions Islam in even the slightest way. He said they'd kill him if he went back, because he married a Christian woman and he did not insist that she convert to Islam.


If a Muslim woman was to marry a Christian, she would be an instant target. Muslim women are forbidden to marry non Muslim men.
936   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 6, 11:17am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

The problem for this guy is really that he lets his wife raise their children as Catholics.
937   Rin   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 6, 2:28pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
It's wonderful to do something like that when you are still young.


What are you talking about? I go bike riding up in Vermont. And so far, I haven't run into any Islamic terrorists alongside Lake Champlain.

And yes, you can do that while you're young or old.
938   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 6, 3:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
The problem for this guy is really that he lets his wife raise their children as Catholics.


He must be an atheist. Wise choice.
939   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 6, 3:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Rin says
What are you talking about? I go bike riding up in Vermont. And so far, I haven't run into any Islamic terrorists alongside Lake Champlain.

And yes, you can do that while you're young or old.


Sex too. When my dick dies, I want to die with it.
940   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 6, 5:40pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
Patrick says
The problem for this guy is really that he lets his wife raise their children as Catholics.


He must be an atheist. Wise choice.


If anyone asks what he is, he answers "I am a human being."
941   curious2   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 6, 6:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Canada, which has been slavishly importing "Syrian" Muslims at Canadian expense, had recently the temerity to criticize the Saudi regime for arresting some of the women who had asked for some slight steps towards equal rights, e.g. being allowed to drive cars. KSA responded by cutting diplomatic ties, and a Saudi group with a Twitter following of more than 300,000 threatened an attack like 9/11, when 19 hijackers including 15 Saudis hijacked airliners and used them as missiles, murdering 3,000 people.

The lesson is clear: do not talk back to your Islamic superiors. Even the usually obedient Canadians are not allowed to voice the slightest criticism. Obey, submit, do not talk back. KSA proved they could get away with murdering infidels before, and there must be no doubt they can do it again.

942   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 8, 10:48am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

The Muppet Show tells the truth (parody):
943   curious2   ignore (1)   2018 Aug 13, 10:33pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

PBS Frontline has a new episode, "Our Man In Tehran." It presents a nuanced portrayal of Iran and Iranians, but I find most interesting the contrast between the politically correct PBS description and what the Iranians are actually saying.

One huge difference: the Iranians tend to be 100% certain of Islam. A father says repeatedly he feels happy that a son was killed fighting "for Islam" in the war with Iraq. The reporter asks multiple times, in multiple ways, and every time the father looks and sounds 100% sure, with no trace of ambivalence or uncertainty. Others have similar certitude. I doubt whether many irreligious westerners can even comprehend the certitude these Muslims show. Even the ones who criticize their government and want to emigrate to America do not express any doubt about Islam.

Paradoxically, many or most Iranians blame America for all their troubles. You might expect such religious people to attribute everything to the will of Allah. After all, who is the stronger, the USA or an omnipotent Allah? Surely, if the USA is stronger, then the Muslims should renounce Allah and worship Donald Trump. They don't, however. They persist in believing all good things come from Allah, and all bad things come from the Great Satan.

That is common among religious people. Even if they call their deity omnipotent, most do not accept things they dislike as being part of the will of the supposedly omnipotent deity. Instead, they see such things as the work of the devil, or tests or challenges that they must pass by editing the observable world to fit their own pre-existing belief, e.g. by suicide bombings or repressive laws.

When you combine religious certitude with Islamic doctrine, you get a result that cannot long coexist with anything contrary to Islam. That explains why most countries that have allowed themselves to become more than 20% Muslim are now more than 90% Muslim. Once you cross the 20% line, Islamic violence crushes liberty, and eventually everyone who does not want to submit to Islam must either flee or die.
944   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 14, 7:09am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

http://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Police-say-London-attack-was-deliberate-490811121.html

London police say that a car has crashed into barriers outside the Houses of Parliament and that there are a number of injured.

Police said that the driver of car, a man, was arrested at scene after the incident which took place at 7:37 a.m. Tuesday in London.
945   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 14, 7:17am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Lots of Arson in Sweet Den last night. "Dark Haired Youths" (*ahem*) used molotovs in a shopping plaza parking lot; reports of an "explosion" (yet another Grenade?)

Click on link for video.

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