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By resistance following x   2007 Sep 11, 1:35am 316,371 views   1,379 comments   watch   nsfw   quote     share    


Originally from http://www.faithfreedom.org/

A Call to the Muslims of the World from a Group of Freethinkers and Humanists of Muslim Origins

Dear friends,

The tragic incidents of September 11 have shocked the world. It is unthinkable that anyone could be so full of hate as to commit such heinous acts and kill so many innocent people. We people of Muslim origin are as much shaken as the rest of the world and yet we find ourselves looked upon with suspicion and distrust by our neighbours and fellow citizens. We want to cry out and tell the world that we are not terrorists, and that those who perpetrate such despicable acts are murderers and not part of us. But, in reality, because of our Muslim origins we just cannot erase the stigma of Islamic Terrorism from our identity!

What most Muslims will say:

Islam would never support the killing of innocent people. Allah of the Holy Qur'an never advocated killings. This is all the work of a few misguided individuals at the fringes of society. The real Islam is sanctified from violence. We denounce all violence. Islam means peace. Islam means tolerance.

What knowledgeable Muslims should say:

That is what most Muslims think, but is it true? Does Islam really preach peace, tolerance and non-violence? The Muslims who perpetrate these crimes think differently. They believe that what they do is Jihad (holy war). They say that killing unbelievers is mandatory for every Muslim. They do not kill because they wish to break the laws of Islam but because they think this is what true Muslims should do. Those who blow-up their own bodies to kill more innocent people do so because they think they will be rewarded in Paradise. They hope to be blessed by Allah, eat celestial food, drink pure wine and enjoy the company of divine consorts. Are they completely misguided? Where did they get this distorted idea? How did they come to believe that killing innocent people pleases God? Or is it that we are misguided? Does really Islam preach violence? Does it call upon its believers to kill non-believers? We denounce those who commit acts of violence and call them extremists. But are they really extremists or are they following what the holy book, the Qur'an tells them to do? What does the Qur'an teach? Have we read the Qur'an? Do we know what kind of teachings are there? Let us go through some of them and take a closer look at what Allah says.

What the Qur'an Teaches Us:

We have used the most widely available English text of the Qur'an and readers are welcome to verify our quotes from the holy book. Please have an open mind and read through these verses again and again. The following quotes are taken from the most trusted Yusufali's translation of the Qur'an. The Qur'an tells us: not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (5:51), kill the disbelievers wherever we find them (2:191), murder them and treat them harshly (9:123), fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (9:5). The Qur'an demands that we fight the unbelievers, and promises If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them (8:65). Allah and his messenger want us to fight the Christians and the Jews until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued (9:29). Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (9:3). Our God tells us to fight the unbelievers and He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them (9:14).

The Qur'an takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and relegates those who disbelieve in Islam to hell (5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28), and orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (2:193). It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (14:17). It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter (5:34). And tells us that for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods (22:19-22) and that they not only will have disgrace in this life, but on the Day of Judgment He shall make them taste the Penalty of burning (Fire) (22:9). The Qur'an says that those who invoke a god other than Allah not only should meet punishment in this world but the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to them, and they will dwell therein in ignominy (25:68). For those who believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire! (48:13). Although we are asked to be compassionate amongst each other, we have to be harsh with unbelievers, our Christian, Jewish and Atheist neighbours and colleagues (48:29). As for him who does not believe in Islam, the Prophet announces with a stern command: Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin. (69:30-37) The Qur'an prohibits a Muslim from befriending a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (9:23), (3:28). Our holy book asks us to be disobedient towards the disbelievers and their governments and strive against the unbelievers with great endeavour (25:52) and be stern with them because they belong to Hell (66:9). The holy Prophet prescribes fighting for us and tells us that it is good for us even if we dislike it (2:216). Then he advises us to strike off the heads of the disbelievers; and after making a wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives (47:4). Our God has promised to instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers and has ordered us to smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them (8:12). He also assures us that when we kill in his name it is not us who slay them but Allah, in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself (8:17). He orders us to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies (8:60). He has made the Jihad mandatory and warns us that Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place (9:39). Allah speaks to our Holy Prophet and says O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed (9:73).

He promises us that in the fight for His cause whether we slay or are slain we return to the garden of Paradise (9:111). In Paradise he will wed us with Houris (celestial virgins) pure beautiful ones (56:54), and unite us with large-eyed beautiful ones while we recline on our thrones set in lines (56:20). There we are promised to eat and drink pleasantly for what we did (56:19). He also promises boys like hidden pearls (56:24) and youth never altering in age like scattered pearls (for those who have paedophiliac inclinations) (76:19). As you see, Allah has promised all sorts or rewards, gluttony and unlimited sex to Muslim men who kill unbelievers in his name. We will be admitted to Paradise where we shall find goodly things, beautiful ones, pure ones confined to the pavilions that man has not touched them before nor jinni (56:67-71).In the West we enjoy freedom of belief but we are not supposed to give such freedom to anyone else because it is written If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good) (3:85). And He orders us to fight them on until there is no more tumult and faith in Allah is practiced everywhere (8:39). As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (4:34). It advises to take a green branch and beat your wife, because a green branch is more flexible and hurts more. (38:44). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (2:228). It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the courts of law (2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Our Holy Prophet allows us to marry up to four wives and he licensed us to sleep with our slave maids and as many 'captive' women as we may have (4:3) even if those women are already married. He himself did just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women. Pakistani soldiers allegedly raped up to 250,000 Bengali women in 1971 after they massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed that Bangladeshis are un-Islamic. This is why the prison guards in Islamic regime of Iran rape the women that in their opinion are apostates prior to killing them, as they believe a virgin will not go to Hell.

Dear fellow Muslims:Is this the Islam you believe in? Is this your Most Merciful, Most Compassionate Allah whom you worship daily? Could Allah incite you to kill other peoples? Please understand that there is no terrorist gene - but there could be a terrorist mindset. That mindset finds its most fertile ground in the tenets of Islam. Denying it, and presenting Islam to the lay public as a religion of peace similar to Buddhism, is to suppress the truth. The history of Islam between the 7th and 14th centuries is riddled with violence, fratricide and wars of aggression, starting right from the death of the Prophet and during the so-called 'pure' or orthodox caliphate. And Muhammad himself hoisted the standard of killing, looting, massacres and bloodshed. How can we deny the entire history? The behaviour of our Holy Prophet as recorded in authentic Islamic sources is quite questionable from a modern viewpoint. The Prophet was a charismatic man but he had few virtues. Imitating him in all aspects of life (following the Sunnah) is both impossible and dangerous in the 21st century. Why are we so helplessly in denial over this simple issue? When the Prophet was in Mecca and he was still not powerful enough he called for tolerance. He said To you be your religion, and to me my religion (109:6). This famous quote is often misused to prove that the general principle of Qur'an is tolerance. He advised his follower to speak good to their enemies (2: 83), exhorted them to be patient (20:103) and said that there is no compulsion in religion (2:256). But that all changed drastically when he came to power. Then killing and slaying unbelievers with harshness and without mercy was justified in innumerable verses. The verses quoted to prove Islam's tolerance ignore many other verses that bear no trace of tolerance or forgiveness. Where is tolerance in this well-known verse Alarzu Lillah, Walhukmu Lillah. (The Earth belongs to Allah and thus only Allah's rule should prevail all over the earth.).Is it normal that a book revealed by God should have so many serious contradictions? The Prophet himself set the example of unleashing violence by invading the Jewish settlements, breaking treaties he had signed with them and banishing some of them after confiscating their belongings, massacring others and taking their wives and children as slaves. He inspected the youngsters and massacred all those who had pubic hair along with the men. Those who were younger he kept as slaves. He distributed the women captured in his raids among his soldiers keeping the prettiest for himself (33:50). He made sexual advances on Safiyah, a Jewish girl on the same day he captured her town Kheibar and killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives. Reyhana was another Jewish girl of Bani Quriza whom he used as a sex slave after killing all her male relatives. In the last ten years of his life he accumulated two scores of wives, concubines and sex slaves including the 9 year old Ayesha. These are not stories but records from authentic Islamic history and the Hadiths. It can be argued that this kind of behaviour was not unknown or unusual for the conquerors and leaders of the mediaeval world but these are not the activities befitting of a peaceful saint and certainly not someone who claimed to be the Mercy of God for all creation. There were known assassinations of adversaries during the Prophet's time, which he had knowledge of and had supported. Among them there was a 120 year old man, Abu 'Afak whose only crime was to compose a lyric satirical of the Prophet. (by Ibn Sa'd Kitab al Tabaqat al Kabir, Volume 2, page 32) Then when a poetess, a mother of 5 small children 'Asma' Bint Marwan wrote a poetry cursing the Arabs for letting Muhammad assassinate an old man, our Holy Prophet ordered her to be assassinated too in the middle of the night while her youngest child was suckling from her breast. (Sirat Rasul Allah (A. Guillaume's translation The Life of Muhammad) page 675, 676).The Prophet did develop a 'Robin Hood' image that justified raiding merchant caravans attacking cities and towns, killing people and looting their belongings in the name of social justice. Usama Bin Laden is also trying to create the same image. But Robin Hood didn't claim to be a prophet or a pacifist nor did he care for apologist arguments. He did not massacre innocent people indiscriminately nor did he profit by reducing free people to slaves and then trading them. With the known and documented violent legacy of Islam, how can we suddenly rediscover it as a religion of peace in the free world in the 21st century? Isn't this the perpetuation of a lie by a few ambitious leaders in order to gain political control of the huge and ignorant Muslim population? They are creating a polished version of Islam by completely ignoring history. They are propagating the same old dogma for simple believing people in a crisp new modern package. Their aim: to gain political power in today's high-tension world. They want to use the confrontational power of the original Islam to catalyse new conflicts and control new circles of power.

Dear conscientious Muslims, please question yourselves. Isn't this compulsive following of a man who lived 1400 years ago leading us to doom in a changing world? Do the followers of any other religion follow one man in such an all-encompassing way? Who are we deceiving, them or ourselves? Dear brothers and sisters, see how our Umma (people) has sunk into poverty and how it lags behind the rest of the world. Isn't it because we are following a religion that is outdated and impractical? In this crucial moment of history, when a great catastrophe has befallen us and a much bigger one is lying ahead, should not we wake up from our 1400 years of slumber and see where things have gone wrong? Hatred has filled the air and the world is bracing itself for its doomsday. Should we not ask ourselves whether we have contributed, wittingly or unwittingly, to this tragedy and whether we can stop the great disaster from happening?Unfortunately the answer to the first question is yes. Yes we have contributed to the rise of fundamentalism by merely claiming Islam is a religion of peace, by simply being a Muslim and by saying our shahada (testimony that Allah is the only God and Muhammad is his messenger). By our shahada we have recognized Muhammad as a true messenger of God and his book as the words of God. But as you saw above those words are anything but from God. They call for killing, they are prescriptions for hate and they foment intolerance. And when the ignorant among us read those hate-laden verses, they act on them and the result is the infamous September 11, human bombs in Israel, massacres in East Timor and Bangladesh, kidnappings and killings in the Philippines, slavery in the Sudan, honour killings in Pakistan and Jordan, torture in Iran, stoning and maiming in Afghanistan and Iran, violence in Algeria, terrorism in Palestine and misery and death in every Islamic country. We are responsible because we endorse Islam and hail it as a religion of God. And we are as guilty as those who put into practice what the Qur'an preaches - and ironically we are the main victims too. If we are not terrorists, if we love peace, if we cried with the rest of the word for what happened in New York, then why are we supporting the Qur'an that preaches killing, that advocates holy war, that calls for the murder of non-Muslims? It is not the extremists who have misunderstood Islam. They do literally what the Qur'an asks them to do. It is we who misunderstand Islam. We are the ones who are confused. We are the ones who wrongly assume that Islam is the religion of peace. Islam is not a religion of peace. In its so-called pure form it can very well be interpreted as a doctrine of hate. Terrorists are doing just that and we the intellectual apologists of Islam are justifying it. We can stop this madness. Yes, we can avert the disaster that is hovering over our heads. Yes, we can denounce the doctrines that promote hate. Yes, we can embrace the rest of humanity with love. Yes, we can become part of a united world, members of one human family, flowers of one garden. We can dump the claim of infallibility of our Book, and the questionable legacy of our Prophet.Dear friends, there is no time to waste. Let us put an end to this lie. Let us not fool ourselves. Islam is not a religion of peace, of tolerance, of equality or of unity of humankind. Let us read the Qur'an. Let us face the truth even if it is painful. As long as we keep this lie alive, as long as we hide our head in the sands of Arabia we are feeding terrorism. As long as you and I keep calling Qur'an the unchangeable book of God, we cannot blame those who follow the teachings therein. As long as we pay our Khums and Zakat our money goes to promote Islamic expansionism and that means terrorism, Jihad and war. Islam divides the world in two. Darul Harb (land of war) and Darul Islam (land of Islam). Darul Harb is the land of the infidels, Muslims are required to infiltrate those lands, proselytise and procreate until their numbers increase and then start the war and fight and kill the people and impose the religion of Islam on them and convert that land into Darul Islam. In all fairness we denounce this betrayal. This is abuse of the trust. How can we make war in the countries that have sheltered us? How can we kill those who have befriended us? Yet willingly or unwillingly we have become pawns in this Islamic Imperialism. Let us see what great Islamic scholars have had to say in this respect.Dr. M. Khan the translator of Sahih Bukhari and the Qur'an into English wrote: Allah revealed in Sura Bara'at (Repentance, IX) the order to discard (all) obligations (covenants, etc), and commanded the Muslims to fight against all the Pagans as well as against the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) if they do not embrace Islam, till they pay the Jizia (a tax levied on the Jews and Christians) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued (as it is revealed in 9:29). So the Muslims were not permitted to abandon the fighting against them (Pagans, Jews and Christians) and to reconcile with them and to suspend hostilities against them for an unlimited period while they are strong and have the ability to fight against them. So at first the fighting was forbidden, then it was permitted, and after that it was made obligatory [Introduction to English translation of Sahih Bukhari, p.xxiv.] Dr. Sobhy as-Saleh, a contemporary Islamic academician quoted Imam Suyuti the author of Itqan Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an who wrote: The command to fight the infidels was delayed until the Muslims become strong, but when they were weak they were commanded to endure and be patient. [ Sobhy as_Saleh, Mabaheth Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an, Dar al-'Ilm Lel-Malayeen, Beirut, 1983, p. 269.]Dr. Sobhy, in a footnote, commends the opinion of a scholar named Zarkashi who said: Allah the most high and wise revealed to Mohammad in his weak condition what suited the situation, because of his mercy to him and his followers. For if He gave them the command to fight while they were weak it would have been embarrassing and most difficult, but when the most high made Islam victorious He commanded him with what suited the situation, that is asking the people of the Book to become Muslims or to pay the levied tax, and the infidels to become Muslims or face death. These two options, to fight or to have peace return according to the strength or the weakness of the Muslims. [ibid p. 270]Other Islamic scholars (Ibn Hazm al-Andalusi, Ga'far ar-Razi, Rabi' Ibn 'Ons, 'Abil-'Aliyah, Abd ar-Rahman Ibn Zayd Ibn 'Aslam, etc.) agree that the verse Slay the idolaters wherever you find them (9:5) cancelled those few earlier verses that called for tolerance in the Qur'an and were revealed when Islam was weak. Can you still say that Islam is the religion of peace? We propose a solution.

We know too well that it is not easy to denounce our faith because it means denouncing a part of ourselves. We are a group of freethinkers and humanists with Islamic roots. Discovering the truth and leaving the religion of our fathers and forefathers was a painful experience. But after learning what Islam stands for we had no choice but to leave it. After becoming familiar with the Qur'an the choice became clear: It is either Islam or humanity. If Islam thrives, then humanity will die. We decided to side with humanity. Culturally we are still Muslims but we no longer believe in Islam as the true religion of God. We are humanists. We love humanity. We work for the unity of humankind. We work for equality between men and women. We strive for the secularisation of Islamic countries, for democracy and freedom of thought, belief and expression. We decided to live no longer in self-deception but to embrace humanity, and to enter into the new millennium hand in hand with people of other cultures and beliefs in amity and in peace.We denounce the violence that is eulogized in the Qur'an as holy war (Jihad). We condemn killing in the name of God. We believe in the sanctity of human life, not in the inviolability of beliefs and religions. We invite you to join us and the rest of humanity and become part of the family of humankind - in love, camaraderie and peace.

Arabic translation الترجمة العربية

See http://www.centerforinquiry.net/isis and http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ for more.

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1324   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 28, 10:57am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

That meme is exactly correct. The mainstream media, government, and all politicians refuse to acknowledge that Islam itself is the cause of almost all terrorism.

Even in the NY Times this morning, there was a laughable quote from a representative of the Muslim community in Sri Lanka, claiming that "we will never know what motivated this bombing."

What utter bullshit.

The bombing was motivated by Islam, as usual. How many attacks will it take before we all stand up and tell the truth about Islam? There are been more than 34,000 such attacks since 9/11 alone, all of them motivated explicitly by Islam:

https://thereligionofpeace.com/

No one is safe when Muslims are around.

"It's far easier to act as if critics of Islam have a problem with Muslims as people than it is to accept the uncomfortable truth that Islam is different."
1326   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (4)   2019 May 1, 10:46am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I used to know a man whose family were German aristocracy prior to World War II. They owned a number of large industries and estates. I asked him how many German people were true Nazis, and the answer he gave has stuck with me and guided my attitude toward fanaticism ever since.

“Very few people were true Nazis,” he said, “but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.”

We are told again and again by experts and talking heads that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unquantified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars world wide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave.
It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or execute honor killings. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. The hard, quantifiable fact is that the “peaceful majority” is the “silent majority,” and it is cowed and extraneous.

Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China’s huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people. The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a war-mongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across Southeast Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians - most killed by sword, shovel and bayonet. And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery? Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were “peace loving”?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt; yet, for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points. Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by the fanatics. Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don’t speak up, because, like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Bosnians, Afghanis, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians and many others, have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late. As for us, watching it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts: the fanatics who threaten our way of life.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/6996
1328   Blue   ignore (0)   2019 May 2, 10:24am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

zzyzzx says


Brits became so dumb and ignorant. They still have time to take u-turn and save them-self before it becomes next Islamic ..-stan country in few decades.
1329   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 May 4, 5:50pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HonkpilledMaster says
History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt; yet, for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points. Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by the fanatics. Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don’t speak up, because, like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.


Excellent point.

Muslims who are silent about the horrors of Islam are already owned by the fanatics.
1330   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 May 7, 8:00am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6999163/Man-tried-detonate-car-bomb-outside-Chicago-bar-sentenced-16-years-prison.html

Man, 25, who tried to detonate what he thought was a car bomb outside a crowded Chicago bar in terror plot is sentenced to 16 years in prison

Adel Daoud was 18 years old when he drove to the Cactus Bar with an FBI agent who was posing as a terrorist in 2012
He was arrested after twice pushing a button on a remote that he believed would set off a car bomb that was powerful enough to kill hundreds of people
Judge said she factored in Daoud's mental health when she decided to impose a sentence much lower than prosecutors requested
Criticized FBI for taking advantage of his immaturity and said prosecutors were wrong to continually challenge indications he suffered from mental illness
Prosecutors wanted a 40-year prison sentence term while the defense wanted him released as soon as 2021


The mental illness is simply Islam.

Note that the judge was a woman. Woman are notoriously lenient on Islamic violence because they are sexually turned on by Muslims in comparison to the weak effete soy-laden "men" of the West who self-emasculated in the face of feminist demands.
1331   Blue   ignore (0)   2019 May 7, 11:56am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Woman are notoriously lenient on Islamic violence because they are sexually turned on by Muslims in comparison to the weak effete soy-laden "men"


This is a brilliant finding. This should explain the link between Islam and why women act like stupid. One should take a Ph.D. out of it, seriously. This should question the credibility of women and threw them under the lenses.
1332   mell   ignore (2)   2019 May 7, 12:48pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Blue says
Patrick says
Woman are notoriously lenient on Islamic violence because they are sexually turned on by Muslims in comparison to the weak effete soy-laden "men"


This is a brilliant finding. This should explain the link between Islam and why women act like stupid. One should take a Ph.D. out of it, seriously. This should question the credibility of women and threw them under the lenses.


Women are also notoriously turned on by men that never apologize - relationship 101 ;)
1334   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 May 12, 6:02pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Muslims like to justify their murder of random unarmed civilians all around the world by pointing to war casualties of Muslims.

"Dead is dead", they say.

But in a court of law, premeditated murder is very different from manslaughter.

Muslims intend to murder, because Islam commands murder. The West, at least, takes great pains to avoid civilian casualties during war.
1335   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 May 13, 9:21pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

http://marias.org.uk/murtada-british-secret-muslim-apostate/

On one hand I was being told that Allah loves us all and wants the best for us but on the other hand I was being told that Allah hates those who disbelieve in him, disobey him, question him, commit haram acts just in order to fit into kuffar (derogatory term for non Muslims) society and there will be a fit punishment for those people.

Now as you can imagine this confused me greatly, and I really started to struggle with holding onto my Muslim identity and my English identity. I couldn’t seem to find a way to make them both work together. It felt as if it was either I had to choose Islam or choose the dirty kuffar lifestyle. Because Islam makes it very clear the contempt and hatred it has for the non believers.

So I really started to feel like I was living in two worlds.
1336   Quigley   ignore (0)   2019 May 14, 7:26am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Note that the judge was a woman. Woman are notoriously lenient on Islamic violence because they are sexually turned on by Muslims in comparison to the weak effete soy-laden "men" of the West who self-emasculated in the face of feminist demands.


Maybe they just want regular beatings and 50 shades of domination?
1337   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2019 May 14, 7:37am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It's fucking Ramadan right now? Ugh... My mom is kind of on team left now (not much I care to do about that). She was a school teacher when she worked (retired now). The amount of additional shit she had to do because students weren't fucking eating or drinking was nuts (high muslim population in a Chicago suburb). You'd think logic was a thing, but not worth fighting with mom.

The world we live in is fucked up. Throw religion out the window. If I deprived my child of food and water during daylight hours, I'd lose my kids and go to jail. Muslims do it.... what eva. Religion is retarded, all of them, but Islam certainly takes it to the extreme. Giving up meat or alcohol for lent is a joke compared to what's required for Ramadan. (not sure why I capitalize it)
1338   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 May 14, 8:44am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Patrick says
Note that the judge was a woman. Woman are notoriously lenient on Islamic violence because they are sexually turned on by Muslims in comparison to the weak effete soy-laden "men" of the West who self-emasculated in the face of feminist demands.


Maybe they just want regular beatings and 50 shades of domination?


Heartiste (I hope he comes back online somewhere else) would explain this all pretty clearly. That's one reason they censored him, of course. Too much truth-telling.

Women who loved dominant men tended to survive better and have more successful children over millenia. This selected for genes which turn women on in the presence of dominant men. The worst thing for a woman is a weak man who cannot defend her or their children, and so women are sexually disgusted by weak men, as they should be.

It's not that women want to be beaten. What they want is a man with balls. Kinda the definition of a man, really.

Women will deny it till kingdom come, but if you just watch their actions and ignore their words, it all becomes clear.
1339   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 May 14, 8:52am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
Throw religion out the window.


@WookieMan I see your point, but religion seems to be something that the majority of people feel they need in some form. There may be a good evolutionary explanation for it. Even now, people who believe in a religion tend to have more kids and live longer than those who do not.

So I have a newfound appreciation for Christianity as a way of inoculating people against infection by Islam. It is far better for us if everyone is Christian than if everyone is Muslim, simply because Islam inspires its believers to insane levels of hatred for outsiders, while Christianity does not.
1340   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2019 May 14, 9:49am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
but religion seems to be something that the majority of people feel they need in some form


I'll never stop anyone from doing so. I generally believe in the most common sense principles of most religions. I don't claim to know the Koran, but I'm sure there's some positive in there after the beheading chapter. I'd generally say most modern day religious teachings and such are generally making people better.

At the end of the day though, the principle players in these religions are no different than Sauron. Shit, in 2000 years maybe hobbits will be the new elf on a shelf for JRR Tolkien's new religion for when Gollum was born.... It's simply made up. Islam's story is much more violent and less agreeable. Religion is science fiction is my point. I'm not even atheist so to speak, I just don't give a fuck about some books being used for thousands of years to extract money and goods from people. Let's call it what it is. I agree not to kill people or treat them like shit because it's common sense.

Religion as a whole thought process has caused insane amounts of harm to the people that believe in it throughout the life of humanity. Whether it's physical harm or monetary, Joel Osteen does exist as a religious human....
1341   socal2   ignore (0)   2019 May 14, 10:07am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
@WookieMan I see your point, but religion seems to be something that the majority of people feel they need in some form. There may be a good evolutionary explanation for it. Even now, people who believe in a religion tend to have more kids and live longer than those who do not.


Not only that, alot of people replaced religion with government. That is alot more dangerous in this day and age with millions of public school indoctrinated SJW's who are constantly losing their shit, trying to erase history and willing to use violence to push their "morality" on unwilling majorities. Secular Progressives are running around like the guys with the board signs in Times Square saying the world will end in 12 years unless you give their church (centralized government) more power to combat climate change.

Today's secular SJW's are not much different than the young Maoists and Commie radicals who were so cock-sure of their morality and logic - they ended up rounding up millions of intellectuals, teachers, religious leaders and dissidents into the gulags and death camps.

I think private religious institutions are a good buffer against radical secular zeal that destroyed millions of lives in the 20th century.
1342   socal2   ignore (0)   2019 May 14, 10:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
At the end of the day though, the principle players in these religions are no different than Sauron.


Jesus = Sauron?

Oookay!
1343   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2019 May 14, 10:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
WookieMan says
At the end of the day though, the principle players in these religions are no different than Sauron.


Jesus = Sauron?

Oookay!


I get this is a sensitive topic. It was a joke.

But, let me know when Jesus, God, Mohammed, etc. are ever verified as real. You get my point?
1344   Quigley   ignore (0)   2019 May 14, 4:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
But, let me know when Jesus, God, Mohammed, etc. are ever verified as real.


Has Aristotle been verified as real? There are a hundred times fewer sources confirming he ever existed than can confirm Jesus existed. Same with all the Roman emperors. The only way we know historical figures existed is by the sources that confirm their place in history. Jesus is confirmed by exponentially more sources than most historical figures. Want to prove me wrong? Do your own research.
1345   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2019 May 14, 7:37pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Has Aristotle been verified as real? There are a hundred times fewer sources confirming he ever existed than can confirm Jesus existed


Not gonna go down this rabbit hole too much. High school text books change history as recent as WWII, fucking 80 years ago, hell even Vietnam. There's little to no incentive to tell the truth in history as it gets further in the past. People are literally trying to erase history from our own civil war as we speak because white people bad. The modern news media lies endlessly. Yet we're supposed to trust some ancient culture/civilization to have an accurate record from 2,000 years ago? We don't even record current "history" so to speak correctly with the technology we have.

Religion is a manipulation. I have a feeling we'll never agree on this. But it's fact. This said, I'll never, ever tell someone not to believe. You're free to do what you want. Either way, ALL gods have failed in the creation or whatever people want to call it, of this earth and humanity. Epic failure. If this world/life was created by a God, it missed the mark by a long shot. Which begs the question as usual, which of the big 3 religions is "real" and the others fake or wrong?
1346   Rin   ignore (4)   2019 May 14, 8:24pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
There are a hundred times fewer sources confirming he ever existed than can confirm Jesus existed.


First of all, Aristotle's circle: Alexander the Great, Plato, etc, all have bios and Aristotle built a library at Lyceum with his writings and thus, Aristotle is verified. That's the price for international fame among A-listers in the ancient world.

The only historian of that time period who's mentioned Jesus was Josephus Flavius
( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus#Testimonium_Flavianum )
1347   Rin   ignore (4)   2019 May 14, 8:32pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
But, let me know when Jesus, God, Mohammed, etc. are ever verified as real.


Since Muhammed knew the first Caliphate, Abu Bakr, before his death, it's very likely that that delusional cult leader/psychopath existed, as Abu Bakr started the global invasion, forcing Islam onto non-Arabic ppls everywhere they could reach. It's kinda like the sith leader and his key disciple.
1348   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (4)   2019 May 14, 10:49pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
Not gonna go down this rabbit hole too much. High school text books change history as recent as WWII, fucking 80 years ago, hell even Vietnam. There's little to no incentive to tell the truth in history as it gets further in the past. People are literally trying to erase history from our own civil war as we speak because white people bad. The modern news media lies endlessly. Yet we're supposed to trust some ancient culture/civilization to have an accurate record from 2,000 years ago? We don't even record current "history" so to speak correctly with the technology we have.


Wookie, I was looking for a picture encyclopaedia/US History Book for my kid who is now entering kindergarten.

All the new ones from DK, etc. have "Islamic Golden Age", "Civil Rights Era", getting equal or more coverage than the entire Roman Empire or Colonial/Revolutionary War Era or the Industrial Age. I don't even need to read the chapters to know they're total BS.

Gonna hit up Ebay for Books written before the mid 90s. I'm also looking out for History/Science/etc. Comics, again before 1995-2000, gonna start reviewing them for other parents sometime this summer.
1349   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (4)   2019 May 14, 10:51pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
So I have a newfound appreciation for Christianity as a way of inoculating people against infection by Islam. It is far better for us if everyone is Christian than if everyone is Muslim, simply because Islam inspires its believers to insane levels of hatred for outsiders, while Christianity does not.


Myself also. I just got Pilgrim's Progress to finish after this Cromwell book. Coming to the realization I've been fed a lot of nonsense about Puritans and Calvinists generally.

People like Dr.s Money and Kinsey and others had a real thing against their religious upbringing that motivated their 50s-70s nonsense, and gave birth to the current stupidity.
1350   Rin   ignore (4)   2019 May 14, 11:49pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HonkpilledMaster says
Wookie, I was looking for a picture encyclopaedia/US History Book for my kid who is now entering kindergarten.

All the new ones from DK, etc. have "Islamic Golden Age", "Civil Rights Era", getting equal or more coverage than the entire Roman Empire or Colonial/Revolutionary War Era or the Industrial Age. I don't even need to read the chapters to know they're total BS.

Gonna hit up Ebay for Books written before the mid 90s. I'm also looking out for History/Science/etc. Comics, again before 1995-2000, gonna start reviewing them for other parents sometime this summer.


Also, has anyone noticed that there's practically no talk about the Persian Empire between Alexander the Great's invasions (328 BC) and the Islamic Invasions (651 AD)? That stretch of time exceeds the Spanish, Dutch, and British Empires of today, a.k.a all of the modern era. Alexander did not destroy Persian culture. A lot of brain dead ppl look at Alexander as if it satisfied some biblical prophecy of falling societies but it actually didn't.

The bible did not include the fact that Persia continued up until Islam and it was Islam which destroyed the ancient world.

I'd even argue that if it weren't for Persia, there would have never been a renaissance because Caliphates were not into advancing knowledge. They stole from the lands they'd conquered and then later pretended that it was their own wisdom/knowledge. Ppl like Rumi and Avicenna were children of ancient Persia, not Arabs. And it's the influence of Islam which is why today's territories of Azerbaijan, Iran, Afghanistan, and other Stans are loser Islamic states.
1351   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 May 15, 8:35am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rin says

I'd even argue that if it weren't for Persia, there would have never been a renaissance because Caliphates were not into advancing knowledge. They stole from the lands they'd conquered and then later pretended that it was their own wisdom/knowledge. Ppl like Rumi and Avicenna were children of ancient Persia, not Arabs.


I was just talking to an Iranian guy who said exactly that. The Arabs copied Greek and Persian texts into Arabic, but had and still have very few intellectuals of their own.

Islam strongly discourages the independent thought necessary for science.

As does our own version of Islam: liberal intolerance. We have already seen legitimate scientific articles revoked because they were outside the liberal dogma, for example the one which pointed out that men innately show greater variability than do women.
1352   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 May 15, 8:40am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HonkpilledMaster says
Gonna hit up Ebay for Books written before the mid 90s. I'm also looking out for History/Science/etc. Comics, again before 1995-2000, gonna start reviewing them for other parents sometime this summer.


This seems like a great idea: ranking kids books by their propaganda content.

We also need kids books which explain how they will be misrepresented and shamed if they dare to question "what everyone knows". A modern version of The Emperor's New Clothes.
1353   socal2   ignore (0)   2019 May 15, 9:04am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
This seems like a great idea: ranking kids books by their propaganda content.


Yep. Howard Zinn being one of the chief proponents of re-writing history with an anti-western and anti-American bent.

My youngest (boy) stumbled on "Simple History" cartoon videos on YouTube and is now obsessed with history. The videos are typically 3-5 minutes and just focus on individual events "Battle of the Bulge", "Japanese POW camps", "Largest tanks" and appear to be pretty straightforward without obvious Leftist bias.

Prager University videos are a nice corrective too.
1354   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 May 15, 9:06am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The "Cartoon History of the Universe" books by Larry Gonick are very good too, with only a tiny amount of PC spin:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cartoon_History_of_the_Universe
1355   Rin   ignore (4)   2019 May 15, 9:09am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
I was just talking to an Iranian guy who said exactly that. The Arabs copied Greek and Persian texts into Arabic, but had and still have very few intellectuals of their own.

Islam strongly discourages the independent thought necessary for science.


Believe it or not but Plato's Academy survived in exile of Greece (Byzantine), within the Persian Empire, all the way up until the Islamic Not-So-Golden Age.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato%27s_academy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_of_Gondishapur

This is why we need to study real history and not simply the biblical western blurp which is that Rome got corrupt and fell (see Biblical prophecies), Muslims took over the mideast (not in the Bible), Genghis Khan invaded and killed millions (also not in the Bible), and then, the Renaissance happened.

That's not a clear picture of the past.

Patrick says

I was just talking to an Iranian guy who said exactly that.


My biggest problem with Iranians is that they do not openly support Zoroastrianism, knowing perfectly well that it was their own and not an invading force from the outside. That's a mark of a conquered people, when their own cultural heritage exceeds that of the barbarians surrounding them but they can't acknowledge it.
1356   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (4)   2019 May 15, 11:47am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rin says
Also, has anyone noticed that there's practically no talk about the Persian Empire between Alexander the Great's invasions (328 BC) and the Islamic Invasions (651 AD)? That stretch of time exceeds the Spanish, Dutch, and British Empires of today, a.k.a all of the modern era. Alexander did not destroy Persian culture. A lot of brain dead ppl look at Alexander as if it satisfied some biblical prophecy of falling societies but it actually didn't.


Yes, and very important to history is the Byzantine-Sassanid War of the 600s. It was the WW1 of the day, huge casualties but no side really resolved anything.

The incredible taxation, the near bankruptcy, and the military weakness of both empires allowed Muhammed and his successors to conquer the Levant and beyond.

Had the Byzantines and Persians not beat on each other for years to the point of mutual near-breakdown, Muhammed would be yet another little known desert bandit, a footnote in the Chronicles of either Empire.
1357   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (4)   2019 May 15, 11:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
My youngest (boy) stumbled on "Simple History" cartoon videos on YouTube and is now obsessed with history. The videos are typically 3-5 minutes and just focus on individual events "Battle of the Bulge", "Japanese POW camps", "Largest tanks" and appear to be pretty straightforward without obvious Leftist bias.

Prager University videos are a nice corrective too.


Good on him, Socal2.

Maximum Whig History is where it's at.
1358   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (4)   2019 May 15, 12:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
The "Cartoon History of the Universe" books by Larry Gonick are very good too, with only a tiny amount of PC spin:


Thanks Pat! I have Gonick's other books on Science stuff.

He has a pro-liberty streak and mocks PoMo in the statistics book I have from him, he's a old style liberal like Dershowitz, so he's definitely on the "Try" list.
1359   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2019 May 15, 1:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rin says
This is why we need to study real history and not simply the biblical western blurp which is that Rome
Real history is a tough one. Consider that history is told by those nations who won wars and came into dominance and then all that shit gets rewritten into something that conforms to the going propaganda of the nation that runs the schools that teach the history to students.

Where is real history? Are there pure anthropologists that specialize in historical facts and truths? How do you recognize them from the propaganda written to make children ready to grow up and die for their oligarchs? Ever talk to some veterans who are into critical thinking? It's a damn shame what we do with our vast military might.

BTW, you are not a proponent of Zoroastrianism are you?
1360   Rin   ignore (4)   2019 May 15, 1:47pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HonkpilledMaster says
The incredible taxation, the near bankruptcy, and the military weakness of both empires allowed Muhammed and his successors to conquer the Levant and beyond.


Yes, but it was really the following gang of whack jobs: Caliphate Abu Bakr, Caliphate Umar ibn Khattab, and General Khalid ibn al-Walid who completed Mo's work. Remember, Mohammed was only able to do his dirty deeds within the Arabian peninsula. The model was set, however, for the rest of the world ... be vicious and brutal. I don't think either the Byzantines or the Persians had any idea that they were facing armies of the undead and not civilized ppl. This is why Alexander the Great's invasion wasn't as big of a defeat as ppl would like to believe.

The movie '300' was bullshit because it portrayed the ancient Persians as savage Islamic Arabs which they weren't. In fact, a number of notable Greeks like Alcibiades, Themistocles, etc, defected to Persia because of the politics of their own city-states. Persia was kinda the United States of America of the ancient world, multicultural and accepting of ppl of differing backgrounds, willing to serve one empire.

HonkpilledMaster says
Muhammed would be yet another little known desert bandit, a footnote in the Chronicles of either Empire.


Not even, because those notes will only mark the rantings of some unknown "Khalid Who?" village raider who claims to have had a village chief who spoke with God? At best, it would like the guy at Bellevue hospital talking about his dead uncle who's one with the almighty.

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