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Single Dad With Two Teenage Daughters


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2010 Aug 29, 2:22pm   2,030 views  5 comments

by Electric_Jeff   ➕follow (0)   💰tip   ignore  

I've been studying the housing market here in Southern Oregon and reading this forum for some time. I wanted to share my observations and why I want to buy a home. After my divorce in 2006 I was essentially starting over in life at the age of 44 with a bk and no assets. I earn $50,000 a year and I have two teenage daughters, ages 15 and 13 who live with me full time. We live in a cramped 2 bedroom apartment because it's what I can afford. (By the way, the median household income here is well below the national average. $42k to $52k, depending on which web site you visit) Using the 25% of take home pay rule, I can spend a maximum of $775/mo on housing costs. My little apartment rents for $700/mo. If I was by myself I might stay here indefinitely. But it is very small for me and two teenage daughters and their two cats. To rent a crappy 3bd 2 bath tract home here runs $1000 to $1200/mo. There are no decent 3bd homes to rent here in my price range. Plus, very few landlords here accept pets, and when they do the deposits are extortionary. While house prices have plummeted here, rent has stayed about the same. I can now buy a home with 3.5% down for $700 to $800/mo total costs including pmi. I don't have 20% down and even if I managed to save 10% of my take home pay, it would still take 6 years to save it up. My girls will be out of the house by then. I know prices here still have a way to fall. I believe 15 to 20%. At some point I'm tempted to take my best shot, knowing I will probably end up with some initial negative equity and hope I don't have to sell for many years. I would definitely prefer to rent now, but rent prices haven't budged and apparently they're not going to. Not sure I understand why. But buying is starting to make more sense to me, even with the likelihood of some eventual negative equity. Any thoughts?

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1   rob918   2010 Aug 29, 2:54pm  

My first question would be what kind of interest rate would you get with a BK that's only 4 years old? I have no idea, but I would think it's a lot more than the best interest rates of 4.25% for good credit, so that would factor into any decision I would make about buying right now. Maybe it would be a lot cheaper in a year or two? I don't know the answer to this, but I am sure you've asked a mortgage broker. Trying to pick tops and bottoms of any market are impossible whether it's the housing market or the stock market. If you need to move and can afford a 30 year fixed rate loan with 20% down I would do it, but you don't have the down payment, so I would wait until you have 20% down even if that is 5 or 6 years away. That would be another question to ask the mortgage broker about.......I don't know the answer to this, but I would guess that with a 4 year old BK they will want more down. You want this home purchase to be a blessing to you, not a curse. I don't know if you've ever owned a home before, but what you pay in rent doesn't translate to what you would pay as a home owner.......it's more expensive to own a home so you can't say I pay X amount every month in rent so I will just pay the same X amount for a mortgage. There are lots of extras such as taxes, insurance, A/C repairs, furnace repairs, maintenence, roofs, and everything else that goes along with home ownership as well as whatever can go wrong probably will at some time or another, especially if you don't have a huge emergency fund. A large emergency fund turns just about any situation in life from a catastrophe to a minor nuisance.

2   elliemae   2010 Aug 29, 3:18pm  

Do you have 3.5% to put down? Is there any program that can help with this? What about finding a lease to own in your price range?

I can see your need in getting into a place - but you should only buy if it makes financial sense and if it's right for you. Look around and see if there's a deal out there.

And congrats for keeping your sanity, living with 2 teenage girls. I lost mine over one lovely young woman - wouldn't trade the experience for the world, but she did drive me nuts sometimes.

3   anonymous   2010 Aug 29, 11:35pm  

at some point here, if interest rates of 4% become the norm, housing will appear affordable or 'investment' worthy when the alternative is renting, because there is so much demand for rentals. not to mention all the obfuscating done with the supply of used houses for sale/inventory. Although some on this site have suggested that you should be able to negotiate better deals on rentals, i've heard some of the opposite from people that rent apartments. make sense, as there are so many people that have foreclosed or gotten out of housedebtorship in one way or another, they are now competing for prime rentals, driving up those prices, which in turn should create some homebuying demand, especially with rates so low.

even though things are very bad in the economy when compared to the last decade, things are still ok to good for many people, maybe just not as good as they once were. plenty of people never participated in the madness, never bothered with equity extraction from their house or hyperleveraged themselves with credit vehicles. plenty of people lived with in their means while others went mad and dug their own financial graves. so while many are hurting, and many areas are still overpriced, there is another side to the story. If you pay 700 per month to be cramped, and can afford 775 and can buy for 800, i'd say go for it and maybe pick up a couple extra hours a month or cut out a couple bucks of unnecessary spending. good luck.

4   RayAmerica   2010 Nov 23, 12:16am  

Jeff ... IMO, I would tuff it out. Especially considering that you believe your area will drop another 15-20%. That's a considerable chunk of future equity loss. I think interest rates are going to drop further along with prices. Those that have patience will be rewarded. As far as your BK, provided you have re-established your credit, you should be able to buy FHA. I believe the down payment requirement is now up to 3.25%. Find a reputable mortgage lender and get yourself pre-qualified (if you haven't already) to find out exactly where you stand. At least you'll know where you stand and what you'll need to do in order to get to where you want to be.

5   zzyzzx   2010 Nov 23, 12:50am  

Are the girls old enough to work?
Can you shack up with someone?

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