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For those of us who recognize the truth

By marcus follow marcus   2011 Jun 12, 12:33pm 9,540 views   83 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


Kinda choice, right ?

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44   Â¥   ignore (3)   2011 Jun 19, 1:50am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Bap33 says

ON THE OTHER HAND. Lybia is a place. We have no issue with Lybia. Lybia has a governing system. It is having some private issues. There is no outside nation taking Lybian land or treasure. Congress was not asked to vote by Bozobama.

Bozobama? Why do you write like this? Do you have the mental capacity of a 5 year old?

45   elliemae   ignore (0)   2011 Jun 19, 2:41am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Bap33 says

Lybia is a place.

No, it's not.

Bap33 says

Isreal is a place.

Troy says

Why do you write like this? Do you have the mental capacity of a 5 year old?

Perhaps not the mental capacity, but certainly the ability to communicate effectively.

Bap33 says

When you are standing around hungry, with no electricity and now fuel and no food, remeber to thank a leftist/liberal/progressive for what their activism has brought to us all.

I'll "remeber." Whatever that means.

46   marcus   ignore (10)   2011 Jun 19, 3:12am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Bap says

The leftist/liberal/progresive mindset will be blamed for the destruction on America

But how do you really FEEL? I'm reminded of the sappy song. "Feelings, nothing more than feelings."

The interesting part to me, is that we are in troubled times to be sure, but progressivism or liberalism and the policies that get those names have been in decline for DECADES.

For anyone who wants to hate Obama, there are PLENTY of people you can listen to, and grow your ignorant hate. They are extremely well funded, but they aren't looking out for you. They will be perfectly okay with this becoming even more of a third world country than it already is.

Congratulations on your gullibility.

47   elliemae   ignore (0)   2011 Jun 19, 3:36am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says

But how do you really FEEL? I’m reminded of the sappy song. “Feelings, nothing more than feelings.”

OH MY GAWD! Marcus, you've ruined my day... that song shall be stuck inside my head for hours today.

Bap33 says

The leftist/liberal/progresive mindset will be blamed for the destruction on America. And the destruction of America will result in famine and darkness and death coving the entire planet. When you are standing around hungry, with no electricity and now fuel and no food, remeber to thank a leftist/liberal/progressive for what their activism has brought to us all.

And we'll all be forced to say about the liberals that...
"they had marvelous judgment, if not particularly good taste."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Boy_and_His_Dog

48   Â¥   ignore (3)   2011 Jun 19, 4:34am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It's really quite parlous that nobody understands the *central* importance of that $1T/yr+ spike in borrowing 2003-2006:

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=RS

People like Krugman and Reich make mouth-noises acknowledging the bubble machine:

Reich: "the vast middle-class, unable to borrow as it could before, no longer has the purchasing power need to get the economy growing again . . ."

without showing that growth in bubble debt.

$1T/year was ~$10,000/yr per household of free money. Doesn't sound like much but it's also TEN MILLION $100,000/year jobs, and probably THIRTY MILLION total global jobs, all funded via temporary debt infusion.

The first time I saw that CMDEBT chart my jaw dropped.

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/CMDEBT

Most of that was home bubble debt of course:

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=RT

49   bob2356   ignore (4)   2011 Jun 19, 5:27am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Bap33 says

The leftist/liberal/progresive mindset will be blamed for the destruction on America. And the destruction of America will result in famine and darkness and death coving the entire planet.

Interesting. The last two big economic crashes both happened at the end of 8 years of Republican presidency. As did the great depression. Let's see 24 beers in a case, 24 hours in a day. Coincidence, I think not.

50   bob2356   ignore (4)   2011 Jun 19, 5:33am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Bap33 says

Lybia is a place. We have no issue with Lybia

Ever hear of something called the Lockerbie bombing? We don't have any issue with Libya funding terrorists? Really? Really, Really? Just out of curiosity, does reality every crash in on you?

51   elliemae   ignore (0)   2011 Jun 19, 7:09am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says

Let’s see, 24 beers in a case, 24 hours in a day. Coincidence, I think not.

I knew that it was a conspiracy!

52   bob2356   ignore (4)   2011 Jun 19, 8:12am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Bap33 says

@bob … The bombers are all cowardly arab muslaislamohamadites. So, what branch of the Libyan armed forces should we attack first? And what must be completed for the mission to be a success?

So let me get this clear in my head. We should have immediately attacked Iraq without letting liberals slow down the process long enough to ask questions for having nothing to do with 9/11 and not killing US citizens, but we have no interest in helping bring down Guadafi who has actually paid people to kill US citizens. Did I get this right?

Oh wait, that's right Hussein was an evil dictator. Not in the top 10 but one of the club. Plus, he had weapons of mass destruction. Nukes right? Just like North Korea, Pakistan, Israel, China, etc.. Well no, actually he might or might not of been trying to make nukes. But he did have biological and chemical right? Well yes, but so does everyone else on the planet that cares to bother. AHA! He was the only evil dictator with WMD sitting on lots of oil that the neocons thought could be knocked off on the cheap!!! Ding, ding, ding we have a winner. Let the good times roll.

53   elliemae   ignore (0)   2011 Jun 19, 11:01am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says

Oh wait, that’s right Hussein was an evil dictator. Not in the top 10 but one of the club...

We attacked Iraq because that's where President Cheney wanted to finish the job that Senior started. We attacked because it was convenient. Timeline:

March 19, 2003 - Bush/Cheney launch invasion of Iraq

March 30, 2003 - "We know where [the weapons of mass destruction] are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat." Rumsfeld [ABC This Week, 3/30/03]

May 1, 2003 - Mission Accomplished fiasco ("[M]y fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended). [Bush, 5/1/03]

May 29, 2003 - "We found the weapons of mass destruction. [Bush, 5/29/03]"
July 11, 2003 - "All that I can tell you is that if there were doubts about the underlying intelligence in the NIE, those doubts were not communicated to the President. [Condoleeza Rice, WH Gaggle, 7/11/03]"

July 14, 2003 - I think the intelligence I get is darn good intelligence. And the speeches I have given were backed by good intelligence. [Bush, 7/14/03]
NOVEMBER 6, 2003: Bush signs $87 billion supplemental spending bill into law [Bush, 11/6/03]

January 28, 2004 - No WMD found. "It turns out that we were all wrong, probably in my judgment, and that is most disturbing. [Kay, 1/28/04]"

March 24, 2004 - "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere" [Bush, 3/24/04] (he was joking, to be fair)

October 7, 2004 - CIA report: Saddam Hussein did not possess stockpiles of illicit weapons at the time of the U.S. invasion in March 2003 and had not begun any program to produce them, a CIA report concludes. [CNN, 10/7/04]

Read it yourself: http://thinkprogress.org/report/iraq-timeline/

54   elliemae   ignore (0)   2011 Jun 19, 11:03am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Oops, might I add that WMD were never recovered because, as was stated over & over, we had bad intel? Oops. We've spent billions overthrowing a dictator that had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. Unfortunately, we haven't gotten out - but a great read is "The Imperial Life in the Emerald City."

55   Bap33   ignore (7)   2011 Jun 19, 12:16pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

dang ... I forgot to take off my prime-rib shorts before jumping in the dog pen!! lol
@ellie,
I have a gut feeling, not much more. lol

@bob,
which branch should we hit first? And what will be a completed mission?

anyways, Happy Father's Day

56   elliemae   ignore (0)   2011 Jun 19, 1:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Bap33 says

dang … I forgot to take off my prime-rib shorts before jumping in the dog pen!! lol

That's a new one to me, and I shall quote you. ;)

57   CornPoptheOriginalGangster   ignore (5)   2011 Jun 19, 1:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Troy says

He won’t even explain why it doesn’t apply

They do, actually. Read your damn nyt article immediately above. They say that no Americans are being put in harm’s way, now that NATO is taking the lead and our efforts are RPV controlling and logistics.

You mean this bit:

The theory Mr. Obama embraced holds that American forces have not been in “hostilities” as envisioned by the War Powers Resolution at least since early April, when NATO took over the responsibility for the no-fly zone and the United States shifted to a supporting role providing refueling assistance and surveillance — although remotely piloted American drones are still periodically firing missiles.

The US has been harping on "NATO" but it's pretty obvious what nationality the bulk of "NATO forces" are. There was a hilarious exchange a few weeks back when a Pentagon shill who just mouthed the "Mostly just Support" line had to admit to a reporter (based on the very charts and graphs behind him) that the "NATO forces" assigned to the Libyan Theatre were mostly American. I can't find it, but I did find this:

The revelation came as Pentagon officials laid out U.S. participation in the Libya conflict over the past 10 days, including that Americans have flown 35 percent of all air missions.

Those missions, they said, include bombing attacks against Libyan surface-to-air missile launchers, as well as surveillance and refueling operations. It was the first time the Pentagon acknowledged that airstrikes continued after the U.S. handed over control of the Libya mission to NATO on April 4.

According to Pentagon officials, eleven U.S. fighter jets were assigned to NATO to look for and take out the air defense systems.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/13/libya--us-airstrikes-nato_n_848817.html

Now granted, the President said "Early April", and in lawyer speak April 13th can be construed as "Early April", however, let's review what the War Powers Resolutions states.

The War Powers Resolution says "Hostilities". The word "Servicemen" or the phrase "Placing Servicemen at risk" or any similar language, does not appear anywhere in the Resolution.

Hostilities don't require the commitment of land forces. Violating another country's airspace with military aircraft, not to mention actually launching missiles and bombs from them, is certainly an act of overt warfare and thus hostilities. Drone attacks launching explosive devices is hostilities, even if they are unmanned. Cruise Missile attacks are also hostilities. If one country drops cruise missiles on another, I doubt the recipient wouldn't hesitate to characterize the missile attacks as "Hostilities".

The President may stopped all US "direct" hostilities- which doesn't even seem to be the case - he still needs to advise, report, and get Congressional approval. He will no doubt try to get around using a Technical "Color of Law" strategy by claiming the USMC Harriers, Drones, etc. are in some kind of temprary ersatz "NATO" unit and thus not under his "Direct Control."

While the President can certainly disagree and disregard OLC opinions, it's unusual. And unusual drops of protocol, require unusually good explanations, IMHO.

But I’m not losing sleep over this since the political situation of this counter is completely and totally fucked at the moment.

Couldn't agree more. If Bush had bombed Libya, almost every Republican Politician, Faux News, and the majority of the Republican base would be in favor of it.

Ghaddafyi has been very helpful in the "GWOT". After all, he himself faces radical Islam in his own country.

However, any chance to restrain the Imperial Presidency should be pursued. My wish here is to have a precedent for restraining a President engaging in Hostilities without pre-authorization, and Hostilities that were not initiated by attacks or overwhelming evidence of impending attacks on the US. A precedent, and hope-against-hope a mindset change, to encumber future Presidents' de facto unilateral war-making powers.

58   Bap33   ignore (7)   2011 Jun 19, 3:22pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@ellie,
Norm from Cheers gets the credit ... he had a million of 'em

59   simchaland   ignore (0)   2011 Jun 19, 3:34pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Guys, do you think that Anheuser-Busch is complicit in the conspiracy?

61   CornPoptheOriginalGangster   ignore (5)   2011 Jun 20, 2:21am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sun Bless George Carlin.

62   elliemae   ignore (0)   2011 Jun 20, 2:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Bap:
"It's a dog-eat-dog world, and I'm wearing Milkbone underwear."

Best line ever? Quite possibly.

63   Bap33   ignore (7)   2011 Jun 21, 12:42am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lol ... yep

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