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Will Trump beat Hillary (if she is the nominee?)

By Blurtman   2016 Apr 27, 10:53am   1 link   14,700 views   69 comments   watch (1)   quote      

Trump will blast Hillary's backing of job destroying trade deals, which will appeal to a good deal of the Rust Belt electorate. Hillary has a loyal following of women with a grudge man blaming career women, and uninformed African Americans. She also carries the close minded reflexively liberal and PC crowd. But can Trump bring on board enough of the anti-Hillary Democrat leaning independents and progressive Democrats, or Democrats of any stripe that just will not vote for a neocon warmonger with bizarre large bottom hiding clothes.

Grab the popcorn.

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30   zzyzzx   790/790 = 100% civil   2016 Apr 27, 6:22pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

HydroCabron says

paid for by higher prices on consumer goods and more cancer?

I'm thinking that these same factories in China and Mexico pollute way more than their previous US counterparts. Or don't you care about cancer deaths in China and Mexico?

31   zzyzzx   790/790 = 100% civil   2016 Apr 27, 6:38pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

http://www.progressivestoday.com/report-many-bernie-supporters-wont-back-hillary-even-endorses/

REPORT: Bernie Supporters Won’t Back Hillary EVEN IF HE ENDORSES HER

In the event that Bernie Sanders does not get the Democratic nomination in the 2016 presidential race, the Democratic party has a huge problem on their hands. Many of Sanders’ supporters are making it clear that they are “Bernie or Bust,” meaning that if he doesn’t get the nomination, they still won’t vote for Hillary Clinton. This spells big trouble for the Clinton campaign and will definitely make it hard for her to beat any Republican nominee.

32   zzyzzx   790/790 = 100% civil   2016 Apr 27, 6:54pm  ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike   quote    

33   HydroCabron     2016 Apr 27, 7:47pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

zzyzzx says

I'm thinking that these same factories in China and Mexico pollute way more than their previous US counterparts. Or don't you care about cancer deaths in China and Mexico?

Hard to shed a tear, really. Foreign countries are full of liberals..

34   APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   1161/1161 = 100% civil   2016 Apr 28, 2:55am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    


I'll WIN! I SUCK THE BANKSTER COCKS!

TRUMPLIGULA! just takes their fucking money and declares bankruptcy.

35   zzyzzx   790/790 = 100% civil   2016 Apr 28, 5:59am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/27/democratic-strategist-trump-will-beat-hillary-like-a-baby-seal/

Democratic Strategist: Trump Will Beat Hillary Like ‘A Baby Seal’

Democratic strategist Dave “Mudcat” Saunders believes Donald Trump will beat Hillary Clinton like a “baby seal,” and that working class whites who haven’t already left the Democratic Party for cultural reasons will due so now for economic ones.

“I know a ton of Democrats — male, female, black and white — here [in southern Virginia] who are going to vote for Trump. It’s all because of economic reasons. It’s because of his populist message,” Mudcat told The Daily Caller Wednesday.

Saunders has experience working with Jim Webb, helping getting him elected to the U.S Senate in 2006 and advised his failed bid for the presidency in 2016. Saunders was also an advisor to John Edwards in his 2008 presidential bid. The Democrat strategist is renowned for connecting politicians to “Bubbas” — white, working class Southerners.

“Working class whites in the South have already departed the Democratic Party for cultural reasons. Well the working class whites in the North are now deserting the Democrats because of economic reasons,” Mudcat told TheDC. He added, “this is the new age of economic populism, man. This is about survival for a lot of people.”

Hillary Clinton, throughout the Democratic primary, has relied heavily on the black vote, she has struggled to gain support from white men. In the SEC primary, she didn’t win over 60 percent of the white vote in any of the six states. She did however gain over 80 percent of the black vote in all of them. There has been one demographic this cycle that Clinton has lost consistently to Sanders — white men.

“I know less than half a dozen white male Democrats in my part of the world who are going to vote for Hillary,” Saunders told TheDC.

He added, “Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump have very similar messages, they’re just dressed in different clothes. I think you’re going to see a lot of Sanders people jump to Trump.”

When Sanders entered the primary he made a pledge to not go negative. This has hurt him as even the slightest attacks on Hillary have created a strong reaction from the Clinton campaign. When he called her unqualified to be president, Hillary’s spokesman, Brian Fallon, said it was “a new low.”

“Hillary hasn’t been shot at yet. I hear on TV people taking about Bernie Sanders being negative, he ain’t attack her, he just tapped on her,” Mudcat said. He added, “Trump’s going to take a wire-brush to her.”

Both Trump and Clinton have unfavorable ratings in polls, both at near 60 percent. Mudcat said, “I think [Trump] can drive her negs to 80.”

He thinks Trump will win the general election and said, “he’s going to knock her around like a baby seal.”

36   APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   1161/1161 = 100% civil   2016 Apr 28, 8:01am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    


YOU FUCKS! WHITE HOUSE FUCKING MINE! COFFEE'S COLD!

37   zzyzzx   790/790 = 100% civil   2016 Apr 28, 9:08am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

She will try to claim he's a 'misogynist' and that's why she doesn't want to debate him. She will say "I don't want to be on the same stage as someone who hates women!" and then do her little scripted town halls with hired audiences and paid-off interviewers. Calling it now. Then Trump can call her a coward for not going head to head. She will lose in either situation.

38   zzyzzx   790/790 = 100% civil   2016 Apr 28, 9:11am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

I think that when Clinton first started running she thought she would end up in the boxing ring with an Amateur. You know, make it look pretty for the crowd but she'd throw a few jabs and a left hook knock out. It's funny though, here she was banking on the amateur and now just before the main event, she finds out she's gonna face Mike Tyson back in his ear biting heyday! She's going to get her shit rocked!

39   tatupu70     2016 Apr 28, 9:20am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Trump is Mike Tyson in his prime? Really?

He's no lock to win the nomination against the weakest crapshow the nomination process has ever produced. He has the worst unfavorables in history. He's losing every general election poll against either Dem. candidate. Most by double digits.

Methinks you might be a tad delusional.

40   Blurtman   493/493 = 100% civil   2016 Apr 28, 10:16am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

tatupu70 says

Trump is Mike Tyson in his prime? Really?

He's no lock to win the nomination against the weakest crapshow the nomination process has ever produced. He has the worst unfavorables in history. He's losing every general election poll against either Dem. candidate. Most by double digits.

Methinks you might be a tad delusional.

You are looking at a snapshot in time and inferring that it will be predictive of future events. If that were to have been the case with Jeb, he'd be the Republican nominee. Hillary has tons of baggage which Trump will expertly exploit.

41   tatupu70     2016 Apr 28, 10:40am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Blurtman says

You care looking at a snapshot in time and inferring that it will be predictive of future events. If that were to have been the case with Jeb, he'd be the Republican nominee. Hillary has tons of baggage which Trump will expertly exploit.

If you are trying to say that polls change, I agree. But we are getting close to the time when they really start mattering.

And all of you guys seem to forget that Donald has just a little bit of baggage himself. He has alienated a large chunk of the population already.

I'm not saying he can't win, but I think the oddsmakers are about right when they have Hillary at 75% to win.

42   dublin hillz   16/16 = 100% civil   2016 Apr 28, 11:00am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

zzyzzx says

Then Trump can call her a coward for not going head to head.

LOL, he will be out of ammo on that one considering that he has been dodging Ted Cruz for months now.

43   Blurtman   493/493 = 100% civil   2016 Apr 28, 11:14am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

tatupu70 says

If you are trying to say that polls change, I agree.

It's not just polls, it is how representative of the ultimate voting population they are. Perhaps they are well designed, I don't know, but by their very nature they can be artifactual.

Hillary will lose a good chunk of Democrat leaning independents. A lot of these abhor Trump. Not all do.

The Trump hating Republicans hate the Clintons even more. I think a lot more of those voters will hold their nose when they vote Trump than the Dem leaning independents with regards to Hillary. In any event, it will be a great show.

44   tatupu70     2016 Apr 28, 11:20am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Blurtman says

Hillary will lose a good chunk of Democrat leaning independents. A lot of these abhor Trump. Not all do.

The Trump hating Republicans hate the Clintons even more. I think a lot more of those voters will hold their nose when they vote Trump than the Dem leaning independents with regards to Hillary. In any event, it will be a great show.

Yep--we'll have to wait and see. Most exit polling shows the opposite of what you say (Dems much more likely to unite for Clinton than Reps are for Trump) but this is obviously a very unusual election so who knows.

45   Blurtman   493/493 = 100% civil   2016 Apr 28, 11:25am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

tatupu70 says

ost exit polling shows

But keep in mind that independents could not vote in many state's primaries, and so exit polling is a bit of GIGO.

46   TwoScoopsMcGee   1612/1612 = 100% civil   2016 Apr 28, 11:47am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

And polls don't measure who is actually going to vote. The population might prefer somebody by 7%, but then 9% of them don't show up.

Trump has already surpassed Romney by hundreds of thousands of votes, and he's on track to surpass the number of Primary Voters for George Bush and create an all-time record for Republican Primary Votes.

The Democrats, on the other hand, are way down in primary participation over past Presidential Elections, even though Bernie voters seem to be jazzed.

In 2008, many voters went ape for Obama with enthusiasm. In 2016, nobody is going to go apeshit over Hillary.

47   tatupu70     2016 Apr 28, 11:55am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

thunderlips11 says

And polls don't measure who is actually going to vote. The population might prefer somebody by 7%, but then 9% of them don't show up.

Trump has already surpassed Romney by hundreds of thousands of votes, and he's on track to surpass the number of Primary Voters for George Bush and create an all-time record for Republican Primary Votes.

The Democrats, on the other hand, are way down in primary participation over past Presidential Elections, even though Bernie voters seem to be jazzed.

In 2008, many voters went ape for Obama with enthusiasm. In 2016, nobody is going to go apeshit over Hillary

I agree with this--enthusiasm is Trump's best hope. The question is whether the Cruz/Rubio/Kasich voters will go the polls for Trump or not.

48   Tenpoundbass   1150/1152 = 99% civil   2016 Apr 28, 1:49pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Trump and Bernie are the ones with voter headroom.
I think Hillary has maxed out. Anyone that would vote for Hillary now are admiting that they don't give a crap about none of the daming evidence toward her.
Those voting for Bernie, aren't in love with the fact that he's a socialist, they like that he is not HIllary. If she beats out Bernie, Trump will take away more votes from him than she will.
And Cruz and Kasich has a few that will go to Hillary rather than vote for Trump.

It's going to be a tight race. It might be another 2000 where just 4 votes decides the winner, in November.

I don't think Hillary is going to get a grassroots movement out to the polls, where the line wraps around many blocks and the pols has to stay open until midnight.

I think Hillary's general ection totals, will be about the same as her Primary numbers has been.

Now Trump keeps saying he's won more percentage wise, but the reality is, Hillary has actually had more Primary votes than anyone. If these numbers were being used to decide the winner, then Hillary would be the President after the primaries.

My hope is Trump breaks off Bernie, Cruz, and Kasich's numbers to make up the 10% deficit that Hillary has over him.

Otherwise he loses. I hate to say that, but that's the truth.

If Hillary doesn't have voters waiting in the wings and Trump takes supporters from those that dropped out, then he will win, if not count on a Hillary presidency.

Unless Obama hates Hillary so bad, he's waiting until after the primaries, to sick his prosecutor guard dogs on him. I wouldn't put that past him.
Then when she's out of the way, the DNC could just install Joe Biden as the Democrat surrogate candidate.
If they time it right, just a few weeks for the election. They might be able to catch the election while they were running Biden's name up the flag pole, and he was the high before the lull.
If they do it too soon, he might peter out before the election. So I would expect Hillary getting served with papers late September to early October, Putting Biden in mid October, that gives him two weeks to pull the wool over the voters eyes, before they get voters remorse.

49   zzyzzx   790/790 = 100% civil   2016 Apr 28, 2:08pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

tatupu70 says

I agree with this--enthusiasm is Trump's best hope. The question is whether the Cruz/Rubio/Kasich voters will go the polls for Trump or not.

At least 90% of them will. The ones who won't will sit out.

50   zzyzzx   790/790 = 100% civil   2016 Apr 28, 2:21pm  ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Tenpoundbass says

My hope is Trump breaks off Bernie, Cruz, and Kasich's numbers to make up the 10% deficit that Hillary has over him.

Trump is absolutely going to get most of those unaffiliated voters who couldn't vote in the closed primary states because they weren't a registered D or R. Those numbers are probably huge, and potentially big enough to give Trump a win in plenty of states. I suppose one could look at some of the closed primary states to see where their general election vote totals generally are and compare them to the primary totals to see what the numbers of non-affiliates voters are and guess how many more potential votes for Trump there are in those states.

51   TwoScoopsMcGee   1612/1612 = 100% civil   2016 Apr 28, 2:37pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Ironman says

Hillary looks like she has 2 M more actual popular votes right now than Trump.

Democratic Primaries have higher participation overall than Republican ones.

52   Tenpoundbass   1150/1152 = 99% civil   2016 Apr 28, 3:34pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Ironman says

Plus, many of the primaries were closed, so the Indy's weren't able to have their voice heard. How will their votes enter into the mix?

zzyzzx says

I suppose one could look at some of the closed primary states to see where their general election vote totals generally are and compare them to the primary totals to see what the numbers of non-affiliates voters are and guess how many more potential votes for Trump there are in those states.

That's true as well. I wonder what is the split on life long independent voters like my self, that switched parties to be able to vote in the primaries.
vs those that say... "If Trump makes it to the election I'll vote for him."?

53   APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   1161/1161 = 100% civil   2016 Apr 28, 4:13pm  ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike   quote    


FUCKING CUNTS!
I OWN THE FUCKING WHITE HOUSE! I SUCKED THE BANKSTER COCKS TO GET THE DEED!
EIGHT MORE YEARS!
EIGHT MORE WARS!

I fucking KILLED Khadafifuck! I'll kill whatever sad fucking case runs Algeria and fucking Mali and shit on their FUCKING FACES!

Just because I sit to pee doesn't mean I don't like to KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! Oh, fuck, Rosie, catch me!

54   tatupu70     2016 Apr 29, 5:06am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

For all those folks on here that think Trump doesn't have any skeletons that Dems will exploit in the general election:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/donald-trump-2016-campaign-biography-psychology-history-barrett-hurt-dantiono-blair-obrien-213835

Worthwhile reading.

And what do insiders think of a general election makeup?

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-november-insiders-222598

“There is positively no way for Trump to win in Pennsylvania,” said a Republican from that state.

“Trump cannot and will not carry Ohio,” a Republican from that state insisted. “He will do well in Appalachia and in the Mahoning Valley but he will get killed in the rest of the state. The danger for the GOP is losing Rob Portman which is a very real possibility under this match-up.”

Added a Florida Republican, who like all participants was granted anonymity in order to speak freely, “Trump is grinding the GOP to a stub. He couldn't find enough xenophobic, angry white Floridians to beat Hillary in Florida if he tried.”

55   APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   1161/1161 = 100% civil   2016 Apr 29, 5:50am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    


FUCK HER, THE FUCKING FASCIST!

BEAST FUCK, FUCK YOU! I AM YOUR ONLY HOPE!

56   TwoScoopsMcGee   1612/1612 = 100% civil   2016 Apr 30, 2:50pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

tatupu70 says

For all those folks on here that think Trump doesn't have any skeletons that Dems will exploit in the general election:

Unlikely. He's been a public figure and tabloid regular for around 30 years, or most of his adult life. His weddings, divorces, interventions, etc. have all been well documented.

The real news is that there are hundreds of thousands fewer Hillary voters in the 2016 Dem Primaries than in 2008. Big Enthusiasm Gap.

57   TwoScoopsMcGee   1612/1612 = 100% civil   2016 Apr 30, 2:53pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Ironman says

I was comparing head to head votes at this point in time. TPB said Hillary had more than Trump, but if you look at total votes cast on the Repub and Dem sides, the total Repub votes exceed the Dems by 3 Million, but they've been diluted by all the candidates.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_vote_count.html

Thanks - I didn't realize this. This is really really bad news for the Hillary crowd, and the RCP Rep one doesn't include Rubio and Carson voters.

58   tatupu70     2016 Apr 30, 3:35pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

thunderlips11 says

The real news is that there are hundreds of thousands fewer Hillary voters in the 2016 Dem Primaries than in 2008. Big Enthusiasm Gap.

Agreed--the problem for Trump is that he will bring as many Dems to the polls to vote against him as Hillary does to vote for her. Trump will generate the enthusiasm on both sides.

59   ChapulinColorado   1/1 = 100% civil   2016 Apr 30, 3:41pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

"I don't have anything against Mr Trump, but I firmly believe he will be the death of the GOP, and possibly the nation as we know it."

Let's see....

Corrupt GOP...check

Corrupt Demo's...check

Corrupt POTUS...check

Corrupt SCOTUS...check

Corrupt Congress...check

Corrupt DOJ...check

Un-constitutional laws....check

Protesters waving "We Need Socialism" signs....check

Americans confused about which bathroom to use...check

Hitlery not in Prison...check

Corrupt Banksters not in prison....check

NSA Police State...check

My labor stolen by the government....check

I guess I would have to say: I'm looking forward to it!

GO TRUMP.........BURN IT TO THE GROUND

60   TwoScoopsMcGee   1612/1612 = 100% civil   2016 Apr 30, 5:03pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

tatupu70 says

Agreed--the problem for Trump is that he will bring as many Dems to the polls to vote against him as Hillary does to vote for her. Trump will generate the enthusiasm on both sides.

Assuming that those who say they prefer Hillary aren't just kinda apathetic voters who are just going along with the rest of the School Office, but when it comes down to it, they'll stop and bring Boston Market home and Netflix away instead of going by a polling station.

We'll know more after the Conventions. I suspect a lot of Bernie voters will have a problem voting for Crooked Hillary, the poster child of Money in Politics.

61   Quigley   704/709 = 99% civil   2016 Apr 30, 5:36pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

ChapulinColorado says

GO TRUMP.........BURN IT TO THE GROUND

I'm with you. We couldn't really do much worse than our current crop of sociopaths ... I mean leaders.

62   Quigley   704/709 = 99% civil   2016 Apr 30, 5:38pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

thunderlips11 says

Crooked Hillary, the poster child of Money in Politics

She defines crooked politician in a way unequaled since Tammany Hall.

63   zzyzzx   790/790 = 100% civil   2016 May 4, 6:24pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Trump has so much material to work with, he's like a kid going to Disneyland! He can focus on a new scandal each and every day until Election Day and never hit the same scandal twice. Hillary's baggage could sink a battleship!

Trump is going to put Hillary's face next to the definition of nafta and run against that.......And probably win.

Because Trumps right- NAFTA is the worst trade agreement signed anywhere by anyone. What business does the American government have enriching Mexico? How does that help the US taxpayer in any conceivable way? Oh but it helps our corporations right? Only, they're ours one day and the very next day are just so happy to point out that they were really international all along and we're just a bunch of backwards hayseeds to have believed otherwise.

64   TwoScoopsMcGee   1612/1612 = 100% civil   2016 May 4, 6:29pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Ever notice that Clintonite Reactionaries have nothing to say other than "Trump, baaaaaad. Drumpf, Small Hands."

What are Clinton's accomplishments? What bold stance did she take when it was unpopular or difficult to do so? What policies is she planning on changing or implementing?

65   errc   570/578 = 98% civil   2016 May 4, 6:34pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Well, shes a woman, and the Clinton namesake. Thing is, Slick Willy doesnt seem so popular these days, or else we'd be seeing more of him.

66   TwoScoopsMcGee   1612/1612 = 100% civil   2016 May 4, 7:06pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

67   errc   570/578 = 98% civil   2016 May 4, 7:07pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

The most obviously simple solution is everyone should vote Sanders

68   Quigley   704/709 = 99% civil   2016 May 4, 7:34pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Doubt we will have that option ...

69   ChapulinColorado   1/1 = 100% civil   2016 May 4, 8:49pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

DieBankOfAmericaPhukkingDie says

Just because I sit to pee doesn't mean I don't like to KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! Oh, fuck, Rosie, catch me!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
A-pork-a-lips-now.... you have me rolling!

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