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Will Trump beat Hillary (if she is the nominee?)

By Blurtman   2016 Apr 27, 10:53am   ↑ like (9)   ↓ dislike   1 link   12,770 views   81 comments   watch (1)   quote     share

Trump will blast Hillary's backing of job destroying trade deals, which will appeal to a good deal of the Rust Belt electorate. Hillary has a loyal following of women with a grudge man blaming career women, and uninformed African Americans. She also carries the close minded reflexively liberal and PC crowd. But can Trump bring on board enough of the anti-Hillary Democrat leaning independents and progressive Democrats, or Democrats of any stripe that just will not vote for a neocon warmonger with bizarre large bottom hiding clothes.

Grab the popcorn.

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42   zzyzzx   442/442 = 100% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 28, 9:08am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

She will try to claim he's a 'misogynist' and that's why she doesn't want to debate him. She will say "I don't want to be on the same stage as someone who hates women!" and then do her little scripted town halls with hired audiences and paid-off interviewers. Calling it now. Then Trump can call her a coward for not going head to head. She will lose in either situation.

43   zzyzzx   442/442 = 100% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 28, 9:11am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

I think that when Clinton first started running she thought she would end up in the boxing ring with an Amateur. You know, make it look pretty for the crowd but she'd throw a few jabs and a left hook knock out. It's funny though, here she was banking on the amateur and now just before the main event, she finds out she's gonna face Mike Tyson back in his ear biting heyday! She's going to get her shit rocked!

44   tatupu70     private mesage   2016 Apr 28, 9:20am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   share  

Trump is Mike Tyson in his prime? Really?

He's no lock to win the nomination against the weakest crapshow the nomination process has ever produced. He has the worst unfavorables in history. He's losing every general election poll against either Dem. candidate. Most by double digits.

Methinks you might be a tad delusional.

45   Ironman   1673/1732 = 96% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 28, 9:33am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

tatupu70 says

He's no lock to win the nomination against the weakest crapshow the nomination process has ever produced.

Oh please... Just stop with your MSNBC, Salon and Mother Jones bullshit already...

tatupu70 says

He has the worst unfavorables in history.

Sure thing, that's why he's winning with 30% - 40% margins over the other two...

tatupu70 says

Methinks

That would be a first...

46   Blurtman   329/329 = 100% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 28, 10:16am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

tatupu70 says

Trump is Mike Tyson in his prime? Really?

He's no lock to win the nomination against the weakest crapshow the nomination process has ever produced. He has the worst unfavorables in history. He's losing every general election poll against either Dem. candidate. Most by double digits.

Methinks you might be a tad delusional.

You are looking at a snapshot in time and inferring that it will be predictive of future events. If that were to have been the case with Jeb, he'd be the Republican nominee. Hillary has tons of baggage which Trump will expertly exploit.

47   tatupu70     private mesage   2016 Apr 28, 10:40am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

Blurtman says

You care looking at a snapshot in time and inferring that it will be predictive of future events. If that were to have been the case with Jeb, he'd be the Republican nominee. Hillary has tons of baggage which Trump will expertly exploit.

If you are trying to say that polls change, I agree. But we are getting close to the time when they really start mattering.

And all of you guys seem to forget that Donald has just a little bit of baggage himself. He has alienated a large chunk of the population already.

I'm not saying he can't win, but I think the oddsmakers are about right when they have Hillary at 75% to win.

48   Ironman   1673/1732 = 96% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 28, 10:52am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

tatupu70 says

And all of you guys seem to forget that Donald has just a little bit of baggage himself. He has alienated a large chunk of the population already.

Are you running out of talking points to Troll??

49   dublin hillz   6/6 = 100% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 28, 11:00am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

zzyzzx says

Then Trump can call her a coward for not going head to head.

LOL, he will be out of ammo on that one considering that he has been dodging Ted Cruz for months now.

50   Blurtman   329/329 = 100% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 28, 11:14am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

tatupu70 says

If you are trying to say that polls change, I agree.

It's not just polls, it is how representative of the ultimate voting population they are. Perhaps they are well designed, I don't know, but by their very nature they can be artifactual.

Hillary will lose a good chunk of Democrat leaning independents. A lot of these abhor Trump. Not all do.

The Trump hating Republicans hate the Clintons even more. I think a lot more of those voters will hold their nose when they vote Trump than the Dem leaning independents with regards to Hillary. In any event, it will be a great show.

51   tatupu70     private mesage   2016 Apr 28, 11:20am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

Blurtman says

Hillary will lose a good chunk of Democrat leaning independents. A lot of these abhor Trump. Not all do.

The Trump hating Republicans hate the Clintons even more. I think a lot more of those voters will hold their nose when they vote Trump than the Dem leaning independents with regards to Hillary. In any event, it will be a great show.

Yep--we'll have to wait and see. Most exit polling shows the opposite of what you say (Dems much more likely to unite for Clinton than Reps are for Trump) but this is obviously a very unusual election so who knows.

52   Blurtman   329/329 = 100% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 28, 11:25am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

tatupu70 says

ost exit polling shows

But keep in mind that independents could not vote in many state's primaries, and so exit polling is a bit of GIGO.

53   Ironman   1673/1732 = 96% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 28, 11:34am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

Blurtman says

But keep in mind that independents could not vote in many state's primaries,

That's definitely a wild card, as according to Gallup, 42% of the voting population say they are Indys.

54   Ironman   1673/1732 = 96% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 28, 11:35am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

Oh look, little Tatty is hiding again... poor soul... he can't handle the truth.. again

55   Lashkar_i_Trumpi   868/868 = 100% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 28, 11:47am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

And polls don't measure who is actually going to vote. The population might prefer somebody by 7%, but then 9% of them don't show up.

Trump has already surpassed Romney by hundreds of thousands of votes, and he's on track to surpass the number of Primary Voters for George Bush and create an all-time record for Republican Primary Votes.

The Democrats, on the other hand, are way down in primary participation over past Presidential Elections, even though Bernie voters seem to be jazzed.

In 2008, many voters went ape for Obama with enthusiasm. In 2016, nobody is going to go apeshit over Hillary.

56   tatupu70     private mesage   2016 Apr 28, 11:55am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

thunderlips11 says

And polls don't measure who is actually going to vote. The population might prefer somebody by 7%, but then 9% of them don't show up.

Trump has already surpassed Romney by hundreds of thousands of votes, and he's on track to surpass the number of Primary Voters for George Bush and create an all-time record for Republican Primary Votes.

The Democrats, on the other hand, are way down in primary participation over past Presidential Elections, even though Bernie voters seem to be jazzed.

In 2008, many voters went ape for Obama with enthusiasm. In 2016, nobody is going to go apeshit over Hillary

I agree with this--enthusiasm is Trump's best hope. The question is whether the Cruz/Rubio/Kasich voters will go the polls for Trump or not.

57   Tenpoundbass   792/793 = 99% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 28, 1:49pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

Trump and Bernie are the ones with voter headroom.
I think Hillary has maxed out. Anyone that would vote for Hillary now are admiting that they don't give a crap about none of the daming evidence toward her.
Those voting for Bernie, aren't in love with the fact that he's a socialist, they like that he is not HIllary. If she beats out Bernie, Trump will take away more votes from him than she will.
And Cruz and Kasich has a few that will go to Hillary rather than vote for Trump.

It's going to be a tight race. It might be another 2000 where just 4 votes decides the winner, in November.

I don't think Hillary is going to get a grassroots movement out to the polls, where the line wraps around many blocks and the pols has to stay open until midnight.

I think Hillary's general ection totals, will be about the same as her Primary numbers has been.

Now Trump keeps saying he's won more percentage wise, but the reality is, Hillary has actually had more Primary votes than anyone. If these numbers were being used to decide the winner, then Hillary would be the President after the primaries.

My hope is Trump breaks off Bernie, Cruz, and Kasich's numbers to make up the 10% deficit that Hillary has over him.

Otherwise he loses. I hate to say that, but that's the truth.

If Hillary doesn't have voters waiting in the wings and Trump takes supporters from those that dropped out, then he will win, if not count on a Hillary presidency.

Unless Obama hates Hillary so bad, he's waiting until after the primaries, to sick his prosecutor guard dogs on him. I wouldn't put that past him.
Then when she's out of the way, the DNC could just install Joe Biden as the Democrat surrogate candidate.
If they time it right, just a few weeks for the election. They might be able to catch the election while they were running Biden's name up the flag pole, and he was the high before the lull.
If they do it too soon, he might peter out before the election. So I would expect Hillary getting served with papers late September to early October, Putting Biden in mid October, that gives him two weeks to pull the wool over the voters eyes, before they get voters remorse.

58   zzyzzx   442/442 = 100% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 28, 2:08pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

tatupu70 says

I agree with this--enthusiasm is Trump's best hope. The question is whether the Cruz/Rubio/Kasich voters will go the polls for Trump or not.

At least 90% of them will. The ones who won't will sit out.

59   zzyzzx   442/442 = 100% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 28, 2:21pm  ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

Tenpoundbass says

My hope is Trump breaks off Bernie, Cruz, and Kasich's numbers to make up the 10% deficit that Hillary has over him.

Trump is absolutely going to get most of those unaffiliated voters who couldn't vote in the closed primary states because they weren't a registered D or R. Those numbers are probably huge, and potentially big enough to give Trump a win in plenty of states. I suppose one could look at some of the closed primary states to see where their general election vote totals generally are and compare them to the primary totals to see what the numbers of non-affiliates voters are and guess how many more potential votes for Trump there are in those states.

60   Ironman   1673/1732 = 96% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 28, 2:30pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

Tenpoundbass says

Now Trump keeps saying he's won more percentage wise, but the reality is, Hillary has actually had more Primary votes than anyone.

Hillary looks like she has 2 M more actual popular votes right now than Trump.

Question, how many possible Trump votes were diluted away because of all the others Repubs that were running? It's been a Bernie/Hillary show for a long time without any other contestants.

There's 3 still in the Repub race, and as of last Tuesday, Rubio was still getting votes (DE, RI, PA, MD), even though he's been gone for over a month and a half. So there's 4 sucking away votes versus 2 in the Dem race. For Trump to be down only 2 Mil to Hillary at this point actually isn't that bad, based on the situation.

Plus, many of the primaries were closed, so the Indy's weren't able to have their voice heard. How will their votes enter into the mix?

61   Lashkar_i_Trumpi   868/868 = 100% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 28, 2:37pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

Ironman says

Hillary looks like she has 2 M more actual popular votes right now than Trump.

Democratic Primaries have higher participation overall than Republican ones.

62   Ironman   1673/1732 = 96% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 28, 2:49pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

thunderlips11 says

Ironman says

Hillary looks like she has 2 M more actual popular votes right now than Trump.

Democratic Primaries have higher participation overall than Republican ones.

I was comparing head to head votes at this point in time. TPB said Hillary had more than Trump, but if you look at total votes cast on the Repub and Dem sides, the total Repub votes exceed the Dems by 3 Million, but they've been diluted by all the candidates.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_vote_count.html

63   Tenpoundbass   792/793 = 99% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 28, 3:34pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

Ironman says

Plus, many of the primaries were closed, so the Indy's weren't able to have their voice heard. How will their votes enter into the mix?

zzyzzx says

I suppose one could look at some of the closed primary states to see where their general election vote totals generally are and compare them to the primary totals to see what the numbers of non-affiliates voters are and guess how many more potential votes for Trump there are in those states.

That's true as well. I wonder what is the split on life long independent voters like my self, that switched parties to be able to vote in the primaries.
vs those that say... "If Trump makes it to the election I'll vote for him."?

64   APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   671/671 = 100% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 28, 4:13pm  ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike   quote   share  


FUCKING CUNTS!
I OWN THE FUCKING WHITE HOUSE! I SUCKED THE BANKSTER COCKS TO GET THE DEED!
EIGHT MORE YEARS!
EIGHT MORE WARS!

I fucking KILLED Khadafifuck! I'll kill whatever sad fucking case runs Algeria and fucking Mali and shit on their FUCKING FACES!

Just because I sit to pee doesn't mean I don't like to KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! Oh, fuck, Rosie, catch me!

65   tatupu70     private mesage   2016 Apr 29, 5:06am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   share  

For all those folks on here that think Trump doesn't have any skeletons that Dems will exploit in the general election:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/donald-trump-2016-campaign-biography-psychology-history-barrett-hurt-dantiono-blair-obrien-213835

Worthwhile reading.

And what do insiders think of a general election makeup?

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-november-insiders-222598

“There is positively no way for Trump to win in Pennsylvania,” said a Republican from that state.

“Trump cannot and will not carry Ohio,” a Republican from that state insisted. “He will do well in Appalachia and in the Mahoning Valley but he will get killed in the rest of the state. The danger for the GOP is losing Rob Portman which is a very real possibility under this match-up.”

Added a Florida Republican, who like all participants was granted anonymity in order to speak freely, “Trump is grinding the GOP to a stub. He couldn't find enough xenophobic, angry white Floridians to beat Hillary in Florida if he tried.”

66   APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   671/671 = 100% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 29, 5:50am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   share  


FUCK HER, THE FUCKING FASCIST!

BEAST FUCK, FUCK YOU! I AM YOUR ONLY HOPE!

67   Lashkar_i_Trumpi   868/868 = 100% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 30, 2:50pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

tatupu70 says

For all those folks on here that think Trump doesn't have any skeletons that Dems will exploit in the general election:

Unlikely. He's been a public figure and tabloid regular for around 30 years, or most of his adult life. His weddings, divorces, interventions, etc. have all been well documented.

The real news is that there are hundreds of thousands fewer Hillary voters in the 2016 Dem Primaries than in 2008. Big Enthusiasm Gap.

68   Lashkar_i_Trumpi   868/868 = 100% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 30, 2:53pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

Ironman says

I was comparing head to head votes at this point in time. TPB said Hillary had more than Trump, but if you look at total votes cast on the Repub and Dem sides, the total Repub votes exceed the Dems by 3 Million, but they've been diluted by all the candidates.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_vote_count.html

Thanks - I didn't realize this. This is really really bad news for the Hillary crowd, and the RCP Rep one doesn't include Rubio and Carson voters.

69   tatupu70     private mesage   2016 Apr 30, 3:35pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

thunderlips11 says

The real news is that there are hundreds of thousands fewer Hillary voters in the 2016 Dem Primaries than in 2008. Big Enthusiasm Gap.

Agreed--the problem for Trump is that he will bring as many Dems to the polls to vote against him as Hillary does to vote for her. Trump will generate the enthusiasm on both sides.

70   ChapulinColorado     private mesage   2016 Apr 30, 3:41pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

"I don't have anything against Mr Trump, but I firmly believe he will be the death of the GOP, and possibly the nation as we know it."

Let's see....

Corrupt GOP...check

Corrupt Demo's...check

Corrupt POTUS...check

Corrupt SCOTUS...check

Corrupt Congress...check

Corrupt DOJ...check

Un-constitutional laws....check

Protesters waving "We Need Socialism" signs....check

Americans confused about which bathroom to use...check

Hitlery not in Prison...check

Corrupt Banksters not in prison....check

NSA Police State...check

My labor stolen by the government....check

I guess I would have to say: I'm looking forward to it!

GO TRUMP.........BURN IT TO THE GROUND

71   Lashkar_i_Trumpi   868/868 = 100% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 30, 5:03pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

tatupu70 says

Agreed--the problem for Trump is that he will bring as many Dems to the polls to vote against him as Hillary does to vote for her. Trump will generate the enthusiasm on both sides.

Assuming that those who say they prefer Hillary aren't just kinda apathetic voters who are just going along with the rest of the School Office, but when it comes down to it, they'll stop and bring Boston Market home and Netflix away instead of going by a polling station.

We'll know more after the Conventions. I suspect a lot of Bernie voters will have a problem voting for Crooked Hillary, the poster child of Money in Politics.

72   Quigley   366/368 = 99% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 30, 5:36pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

ChapulinColorado says

GO TRUMP.........BURN IT TO THE GROUND

I'm with you. We couldn't really do much worse than our current crop of sociopaths ... I mean leaders.

73   Quigley   366/368 = 99% civil   private mesage   2016 Apr 30, 5:38pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

thunderlips11 says

Crooked Hillary, the poster child of Money in Politics

She defines crooked politician in a way unequaled since Tammany Hall.

74   zzyzzx   442/442 = 100% civil   private mesage   2016 May 4, 6:24pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

Trump has so much material to work with, he's like a kid going to Disneyland! He can focus on a new scandal each and every day until Election Day and never hit the same scandal twice. Hillary's baggage could sink a battleship!

Trump is going to put Hillary's face next to the definition of nafta and run against that.......And probably win.

Because Trumps right- NAFTA is the worst trade agreement signed anywhere by anyone. What business does the American government have enriching Mexico? How does that help the US taxpayer in any conceivable way? Oh but it helps our corporations right? Only, they're ours one day and the very next day are just so happy to point out that they were really international all along and we're just a bunch of backwards hayseeds to have believed otherwise.

75   Lashkar_i_Trumpi   868/868 = 100% civil   private mesage   2016 May 4, 6:29pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

Ever notice that Clintonite Reactionaries have nothing to say other than "Trump, baaaaaad. Drumpf, Small Hands."

What are Clinton's accomplishments? What bold stance did she take when it was unpopular or difficult to do so? What policies is she planning on changing or implementing?

76   errc   341/348 = 97% civil   private mesage   2016 May 4, 6:34pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

Well, shes a woman, and the Clinton namesake. Thing is, Slick Willy doesnt seem so popular these days, or else we'd be seeing more of him.

77   Lashkar_i_Trumpi   868/868 = 100% civil   private mesage   2016 May 4, 7:06pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

78   errc   341/348 = 97% civil   private mesage   2016 May 4, 7:07pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   share  

The most obviously simple solution is everyone should vote Sanders

79   Ironman   1673/1732 = 96% civil   private mesage   2016 May 4, 7:31pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

errc says

The most obviously simple solution is everyone should vote Sanders

Only if you're a true clueless idiot.

80   Quigley   366/368 = 99% civil   private mesage   2016 May 4, 7:34pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

Doubt we will have that option ...

81   ChapulinColorado     private mesage   2016 May 4, 8:49pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   share  

DieBankOfAmericaPhukkingDie says

Just because I sit to pee doesn't mean I don't like to KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! Oh, fuck, Rosie, catch me!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
A-pork-a-lips-now.... you have me rolling!

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