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HUGE NEW CONFEDERATE MONUMENT IN TEXAS --BUT WAIT THERE'S 9 MORE!

By jazz music (45/45 = 100% civil)   2016 Aug 15, 3:15pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   2 links   688 views   14 comments   watch (1)   share   quote  

While a few southern states such as Georgia and North Carolina and cities like New Orleans have voted to ditched their Confederate monuments from public display, the Great State of Texas—via small cities such as Orange and Georgetown—is determined to dig in and hold on. Politico reports that not only is a tug of war currently going on between neo-Confederate flag wavers and some state lawmakers in the capitol of Austin, but a mega-ton “Confederate Memorial of the Wind” is currently being built near the border with Louisiana. Said to be the largest Confederate monument built in a century, it will have 13 large Greek columns and 26–32 Confederate flags. Sigh.

Why, oh why, does this continue to be an issue? John Savage, author of the Politico piece, puts forth one theory:

In his book Race and Reunion, Yale historian David Blight argues that after the Civil War, Southern whites coped with crushing defeat by justifying why they had seceded. Reluctant to admit the Civil War was fought over slavery — a moral anachronism in much of the world at the time — many Southerners framed the war as a fight for states' rights. Blight argues that Southern whites worked, through memorials and monuments, to etch the false narrative in the nation's collective memory.

Giving Confederate monuments places of pride in town squares and in front of government buildings proved an enduring way of shaping public memory. Across Texas, at least 178 publicly sponsored symbols honoring the Confederacy occupy prominent positions, including monuments, schools and roads dedicated to Confederate icons. Most were erected at the turn of the 20th century, as Confederate veterans were beginning to die of old age, and a second wave of dedications came during the 1950s and 60s, presumably in response to African-Americans’ burgeoning struggle for civil rights.

SLIDE SHOW LINK
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/slideshow/Confederate-monuments-in-Texas-105927/photo-7706658.php

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/8/13/1559096/-The-Confederacy-is-rising-again-in-Texas-Sigh?detail=email&link_id=16&can_id=83aa6d6edf5c42685fff3a8544622008&source=email-a-bad-week-for-donald-trump-adds-to-the-doom-loop&email_referrer=a-bad-week-for-donald-trump-adds-to-the-doom-loop___95923&email_subject=the-confederacy-is-rising-again-in-texas-sigh

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1   HEY YOU (3/3 = 100% civil)   2016 Aug 15, 3:27pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Monuments to Racist Redneckism & Texassian losers.

2   Tenpoundbass (138/138 = 100% civil)   2016 Aug 15, 3:36pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Yeah let's play erase History no Qwanza.

3   zzyzzx (94/94 = 100% civil)   2016 Dec 17, 2:51pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

It's all Obama's fault!! If it weren't for the great divider Obama, people wouldn't want to do these things.

4   marcus (90/91 = 98% civil)   2016 Dec 17, 3:02pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Translation: "I'm a racist nitwit."Tenpoundbass says

Yeah let's play erase History no Qwanza.

zzyzzx says

It's all Obama's fault!! If it weren't for the great divider Obama, people wouldn't want to do these things.

Translation: "I'm a racist nitwit."

5   WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch (53/53 = 100% civil)   2016 Dec 17, 4:49pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

The funny thing is that in Kentucky and Tennessee there are substantially more Confederate Memorials than Union ones - though the population of both states (esp. Kentucky) served in the Union Army in larger numbers.

6   jazz music (45/45 = 100% civil)   2016 Dec 17, 5:43pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

marcus says

Translation: "I'm a racist nitwit."

Obviously because it's not like Obama said or did something related to dividing somebody VERY DIFFERENT from her glorious Cheeto Jesus hero

7   zzyzzx (94/94 = 100% civil)   2016 Dec 17, 5:51pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

though the population of both states (esp. Kentucky) served in the Union Army in larger numbers.

I would want the count in Maryland for comparison (I do not have this handy). IIRC roughly 1/3 joined the Confederate Army (mostly serving in the Army of Northern Virginia), and of the ones who joined the Union Army, a lot of them only did so with the promise that they not leave the state (meaning in forts around DC, and guarding rail road bridges and prisoner of war camps). I would not be surprised if in Maryland it was 1/3 fighting for the Confederate Army, 1/3 fighting for the Union Army, and 1/3 in the Union Army, but somewhere in Maryland doing no fighting unless attacked (which may have only happened in a major way at Monocacy)

Fun Fact:
At the Battle of Front Royal on May 23, 1862 the Union Army's 1st Maryland infantry fought the Confederate Army's 1st Maryland infantry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Front_Royal
After the battle, the victorious First Maryland CSA took charge of prisoners from the beaten Union First Maryland regiment.

8   zzyzzx (94/94 = 100% civil)   2016 Dec 17, 5:53pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

jazz music says

Obviously because it's not like Obama said or did something related to dividing

Have you been deaf and blind for the last 8 years?

After 8 years Michelle Obama still feels Obama's greatest contribution is "giving us hope." Hope without results is the cruelest lie of all.

9   Quigley (41/41 = 100% civil)   2016 Dec 17, 5:59pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

I've come to see the affection Southerners hold for Confederate paraphernalia as a testament to States rights and the ability of common Americans to object to Federal overbearance. While most remember the Civil War as "the war to free the slaves," a closer look at history reveals it to be about the tyranny of the majority Northern populous states over the less populated South. In the North, they were ushering in wave after wave of immigrants, registering them to vote, and using the population bully power to override anything the Southern states wanted to do.

So I don't see a monument to this uniquely American struggle as "racist." I see it as a big fat "Don't tread on me" warning to an increasingly intrusive Federal government. Bush and Obama have definitely gone in the direction of Federal overreach, and I see this sort of monument as a reaction to that.

10   zzyzzx (94/94 = 100% civil)   2016 Dec 17, 6:06pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

jazz music says

Why, oh why, does this continue to be an issue? John Savage, author of the Politico piece, puts forth one theory:

You need to take these things for what they (generally speaking) have become these days, which is tourist traps. I was in PA over the summer and did a tourist train ride from New Freedom to Hanover Junction PA. I was only there for the train ride itself, which was nice. It had a stop in the middle at a Civil War site in PA. I didn't even know that this place existed, but it was a half an hour stop at a rail road junction in York County (Hanover Junction) complete with all the usual stuff one sees at all the other Civil War sites, in this case it was a skirmish between Confederate Cavalry and the Union militia guarding the rail road junction with it's telegraph. It was something to do while the rail road did what it needed to do to turn the train around, and sell sno-cones and use the rest rooms. Interesting, but not of any real military significance.

11   Ceffer (74/74 = 100% civil)   2016 Dec 17, 6:11pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

They call it "ChawHenge".

The Rednecks go there to celebrate the solstice and to spit.

12   jazz music (45/45 = 100% civil)   2016 Dec 17, 11:16pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

zzyzzx says

Have you been deaf and blind for the last 8 years?

Another ironic question by you since I already commented for you a list of 400 things Obama accomplished on behalf of the electorate.

https://patrick.net/?p=1299992&c=1355288#comment-1355288

Maybe you remember disliking each of the 5 comments it took to list them.

13   Blurtman (57/57 = 100% civil)   2016 Dec 17, 11:23pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Bt what it means to me is more important that what it means to you because I can play the victim card.

14   zzyzzx (94/94 = 100% civil)   2016 Dec 18, 5:38am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

jazz music says

Another ironic question by you since I already commented for you a list of 400 things Obama accomplished on behalf of the electorate.

https://patrick.net/?p=1299992&c=1355288#comment-1355288

Thanks for the reminder to post a lengthy list of Obama's failures.

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