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For all practical purposes, Ice in the South Pole oceans is completely gone

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By iwog   Feb 14, 9:53am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (3)   8 links   3,770 views   43 comments   watch (0)   quote  

The only significant ice left is the Larson Ice shelf and that is breaking up right this minute.

Click on the animation here:
https://twitter.com/ZLabe/status/831541275681624064

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4   Tenpoundbass   762/763 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 14, 10:34am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

That's a graphic you idiot!

I'm sure the Myans and Incas had wonderful charts too, to get everyone to go with random communal sacrifices to appease the global warming gods.

5   NuttBoxer   225/227 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 14, 10:35am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Wait, so ice melts in the summer..?

6   NuttBoxer   225/227 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 14, 10:40am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Global warming is an ongoing event that has been happening since the 50's right? So well there may be small dips and rises, the overall trend should be melting? If that's true, then why is every news story from 2014 about ice at RECORD levels. I small increase I could see, but RECORD!?

Get serious, you're just a bunch of wankers who want to cry about shit you can't fix, rather than do anything to make your world cleaner.

7   iwog   773/773 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 14, 10:48am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

NuttBoxer says

If that's true, then why is every news story from 2014 about ice at RECORD levels. I small increase I could see, but RECORD!?

Yup, records are falling every year. The thing about this year at the South Pole is that saying the record has been broken doesn't do an adequate job of showing what is going on. Not only has the record been broken, but it has destroyed all previous years by a million km. It's like a runner making a mile in 2.5 seconds when the current record time is 3.43. The correct word is collapse. The winter ocean ice pack at the South pole has catastrophically collapsed in 2017.

8   justme   86/86 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 14, 10:51am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Can you get us a link to that last graph, iwog? It looks interactive.

9   iwog   773/773 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 14, 10:56am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

justme says

Can you get us a link to that last graph, iwog? It looks interactive.

https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent

There's a button on the right side to get the antarctic but as you can see, the arctic is also breaking a new record this year. Our ice buffer is breaking down at amazing speed.

10   Heraclitusstudent   150/150 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 14, 11:07am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

A nuclear winter could fix that.

11   zzyzzx   425/425 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 14, 11:30am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Entitlemented says

The Human Race must start on a multicountry R&D and implementation plan for stopping global man made emissions.

This includes, but not limited to:

- Development of nanoscale/micro/microscale Hydrogen extraction technologies, small scale solar or efficient electrolysis.

- Advanced molecular sieves for hydrogen filtering/separation.

- Spectrally selective micro particles that are ecologically compatible with upper atmosphere, sea-life, and land life, preferably a carbon based non toxic photonic material.

- Compact safe Nuclear power http://terrapower.com/ and others

- Thin and flexible solar, thermosolar, scalable to acre solar sheets. Cells should have conductive posts to jumper damaged tiles within the acre sized sheets.

- Advanced waste heat reclamation

- Others

The US spend $700B on military and $850B annually on legal costs. Its completely reasonable, no mandatory that we sh...

We need to stop paying people to make babies and fine them instead.

12   zzyzzx   425/425 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 14, 11:36am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

How does this compare to previous middle of the summer ice sheets?
If the ice sheet is gone, how come sea levels aren't noticeably higher?
Are you going to blame this on the faulty dam in CA as well?

13   Tenpoundbass   762/763 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 14, 11:49am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

14   rpanic01   56/56 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 14, 12:05pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Population growth negates all positive gains by technology and until that is addressed we will continue down the same path of self destruction.

15   Rew   393/393 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 14, 12:17pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Tenpoundbass says

That's a graphic you idiot!

Definitely a graphic, of satellite imagery of the actual Earth. It shows the dates in the upper right as they count by.
For the record, these are words.

Tenpoundbass says

I'm sure the Myans and Incas had wonderful charts too, to get everyone to go with random communal sacrifices to appease the global warming gods.

I think they also sacrificed people they didn't find of value to their society. ;)

(Did I stray into ad hominem territory at all? I'm flirting with it ... I know ... I know ... :) )

16   iwog   773/773 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 14, 12:19pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

zzyzzx says

If the ice sheet is gone, how come sea levels aren't noticeably higher?

And THIS folks is why we're so fucked.

The people voting on global warming policy can't even comprehend a 7th grade science experiment.

17   Heraclitusstudent   150/150 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 14, 1:11pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Yeah, we're fucked.

18   Rew   393/393 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 14, 1:53pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

iwog says

The people voting on global warming policy can't even comprehend a 7th grade science experiment.

SciChallenged: "I SEE A DRIP DOWN THE SIDE! See!"
Reason: "Condensation from water vapor in air on cold glass."

19   Tim Aurora   142/142 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 14, 1:59pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Melting ice on land will increase the sea level but one floating on sea will not

20   iwog   773/773 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 14, 4:38pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Tim Aurora says

Melting ice on land will increase the sea level but one floating on sea will not

You get a cookie!

Rew says

Reason: "Condensation from water vapor in air on cold glass."

You also get a cookie.

zzyzzx says

If the ice sheet is gone, how come sea levels aren't noticeably higher?

Are you going to blame this on the faulty dam in CA as well?

You get nothing.

21   Dan8267   1896/1917 = 98% civil   private mesage   Feb 14, 9:41pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Rew says

Additionally, the melting of sea-ice has a positive feedback causing more warming because the ice that reflects sunlight no longer exists. Hence, melting sea-ice is an important indicator and multiplier of climate change.

22   HEY YOU   352/352 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 14, 10:15pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

NuttBoxer says

Wait, so ice melts in the summer..?

That's why it's melting in the Arctic & Greenland.

23   deepcgi   11/11 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 8:18am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Many of the Chemists, Fluid Scientists, Biochemists, Nuclear Scientists, Mechanical, Thermo, and Civil Engineers who will be required to do all of the world-saving R&D were the very ones the "Climate" Scientists wouldn't include in their AGW Consensus stats. Scratch chin here.

Luckily, other than scaring the hell out of people, there is very little for Climate Guys like Gavin Schmidt and Michael Mann to do at this point.

I admire, however, the concentration on new materials, practical science, and engineering as an alternative to carbon taxation.

"We'll punish our carbon polluters if you punish yours."

It is impossible to prevent those political plans from turning to an insider's scam.

24   iwog   773/773 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 9:38am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

I'm satisfied that humanity is going to do nothing to prevent this.

I'd much rather money be spent on building an ark.

25   PCGyver   284/284 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 9:55am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

NuttBoxer says

Global warming is an ongoing event that has been happening since the 50's right?

Pretty sure warming and cooling have been going on since longer ago than the 50's

26   iwog   773/773 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 9:59am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

PCGyver says

Pretty sure warming and cooling have been going on since longer ago than the 50's

If you extrapolate the melting that has occurred in Greenland back several hundred years, the Earth was one giant snowball.

Clearly something is going on now that hasn't happened since the beginning of the first ice age.

27   PCGyver   284/284 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 10:06am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

iwog says

Clearly something is going on now that hasn't happened since the beginning of the first ice age.

Yet we were not around then to be blamed for it happening.

28   iwog   773/773 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 10:07am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

PCGyver says

Or they didn't calibratei

You need to calibrate what exactly? Photographs of the ice disappeared?

29   PCGyver   284/284 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 10:30am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

What I'd like to know is how do we clean up the air in Beijing?

Don't know if you have noticed but we have done a pretty good job of keeping our air much cleaner than in the past. I remember going to the valley and seeing blankets of smog in my youth. It is definitely not as bad as then.

So, if there is a problem, it's not being caused by what's happening here (pollution wise) as much as it is by other parts of the world .

So what can we do?

If we do impart more regulations here, mighty there be a chance that we cause pollution to rise? And global warming to get worse?

Sometimes what people try to fix just ends up making the problems worse.

30   NuttBoxer   225/227 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 10:53am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

PCGyver says

Pretty sure warming and cooling have been going on since longer ago than the 50's

YES! The lack of historical data, and perspective with these alarmists is part of what pisses me off. Everything is a record if record keeping didn't exist until the 21st century...

31   iwog   773/773 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 11:33am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

PCGyver says

What I'd like to know is how do we clean up the air in Beijing?

Not necessary. Particulate pollution in the air actually mitigates global warming. That's why things heated up right after 911 when all commercial airliners were grounded.

Pollution appears white from space.

32   PCGyver   284/284 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 12:11pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

iwog says

Pollution appears white from space.

So then the solution is more pollution?

33   iwog   773/773 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 12:30pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

PCGyver says

So then the solution is more pollution?

Yup. All suggestions for "fixing" global warming involve the injection of particulate pollution high in the atmosphere to deflect some of the light hitting earth. Planes already do this to some extent.

34   Dan   17/17 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 5:58pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

YUP, jets been seeding (clouding?) the skies for a while. God knows what HAARP had done in it's history to the ionosphere. They knew something was gonna happen and has once again set us up for more profits to their wallets. The cooling effect they produced, if it does, will be systematically incurred by momma SOL and the "state" this solar system is at. Oh Ya, "We succeeded in stopping warming" so the evening news will mantra. But maybe we need to charge you more "for did and dat", because of did and dat".

How MANY "cycles' have recently been verified, statistically, that few can keep up with including me. Momma SOL and the belief state we are in tells the momentary tale. Imagine

35   iwog   773/773 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 7:01pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Huh?

36   Quigley   340/342 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 16, 2:55pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

iwog says

Yup. All suggestions for "fixing" global warming involve the injection of particulate pollution high in the atmosphere to deflect some of the light hitting earth. Planes already do this to some extent.

Sulfur Dioxide works well, too, and it's the main reason why big volcanos have such a global effect on weather. You can't see it, but when it goes stratospheric, it blocks a fair percentage of solar radiation and persists for one to four years before falling out. The last big volcano in Iceland that went off in 2020 cooled the northern hemisphere a whole degree C for a year, and contributed to a very wet 2010-2011 rainy season for us in California with 24 inches of precipitation.
There's no volcano recently, so this colder winter must be the result of a different phenomenon. Scientists say we are currently at a solar minimum, so I think that is probably it.

One thing is certain, this cycle will turn and we will see hotter weather again at some point. I think the long term solution is moving away from petroleum and into renewables. But this is a gradual process, as technology is developed and adopted. Hopefully it will all come together before the sun heats up again, or we may have to resort to more drastic strategies like mimicking volcanic action.

37   bob2356   427/428 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 17, 1:58am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Quigley says

There's no volcano recently, so this colder winter must be the result of a different phenomenon.

What colder than normal winter? Winter has been pretty mild around me. Jan was 11 degrees above normal and Feb is 6 degrees above normal so far. Ice thickness is pretty poor. There have been a bunch of people through this season.

38   deepcgi   11/11 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 17, 8:16am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

The Political Climate Crew spend their time trying to implement Carbon Credits and Tax Penalties. They have zero interest in practical solutions for warming. They also deliberately fudge numbers to create alarming headlines aimed at effecting strategic international events which push for taxing powerful carbon dioxide creators. Al Gore went all-in with his personal investments a decade ago on the carbon credit scheme.

I cannot possibly count the number of sensational headlines showing why we should freak-out and pay taxes because of retreating ice at Glacier Bay.

Unfortunately for the political crowd, we know precisely where the glaciers were in the early 1700's. Heavy glacial retreat was underway by 1750. They intentionally ignore how the trend began in Glacier Bay more than 150 years before the industrial revolution. This is because the truth would damage the plan for Carbon Taxation.

39   deepcgi   11/11 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 17, 8:27am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Here's a photo I have enjoyed on days when arctic ice retreat bs was ten miles thick.

The USS Skate surfaced at the ice free North Pole on March 17th 1959.

Now can we get back to what really matters. Let's get Kris Kringle back above sea level before no one even celebrates Christmas anymore!

40   Bellingham Bill   46/46 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 20, 11:27am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

"Beyond the lake, stretching to the horizon in every direction, was the stark white of the permanent polar ice pack"

https://www.navalhistory.org/2011/08/11/uss-skate-ssn-578-becomes-the-first-submarine-to-surface-at-the-north-pole

41   bob2356   427/428 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 20, 11:42am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

deepcgi says

The USS Skate surfaced at the ice free North Pole on March 17th 1959.

Yes and they spent days under heavy ice looking for a break in the ice. Read Surface at the Pole by James Calvert skipper of the skate.

Nice bit of bullshit though.

42   bob2356   427/428 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 20, 11:55am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

deepcgi says

I cannot possibly count the number of sensational headlines showing why we should freak-out and pay taxes because of retreating ice at Glacier Bay.

Unfortunately for the political crowd, we know precisely where the glaciers were in the early 1700's. Heavy glacial retreat was underway by 1750. They intentionally ignore how the trend began in Glacier Bay more than 150 years before the industrial revolution. This is because the truth would damage the plan for Carbon Taxation.

Hate to break it to you, but there are glaciers other places besides glacier bay. Most glaciers started retreating mid to late 1800's. The industrial revolution was in full swing by the mid 1700's with common use of coal burning steam engines. So you are off by 100 years or so. But hey don't let facts screw you up.

43   curious2   413/413 = 100% civil   private mesage   Mar 23, 5:33pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

deepcgi says

1959

I tried to confirm that photo but I haven't seen a source that says it was at the North Pole. To the contrary, contemporaneous accounts said the USS Skate had to break through heavy ice in order to become the first to surface at the North Pole, 1959-03-17, and the photo would have looked more like this:

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