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Dan Rather says Trump is another Watergate

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By tovarichpeter   Feb 15, 9:36am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (3)   3 links   1,537 views   51 comments   watch (0)   quote  

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dan-rather-russia-scandal-watergate_us_58a382a2e4b094a129f01597?12x5vnd8huwok1emi&

Russian government could be the nations biggest scandal since Watergate, legendary TV journalist Dan Rather warned Tuesday.

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12   bob2356   427/428 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 11:15am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Patrick says

bob2356 says

Does peeing in his pants from all the boogeymen he sees all day count?

ad hom, deleted.

Go for it.

13   joeyjojojunior   305/308 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 11:19am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

"ad hom, deleted."

Not really. More just an insult. If you want to delete all insults, that's fine. But not all insults are ad hom attacks.

14   bob2356   427/428 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 11:24am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Patrick says

well, actually kind of immortalized by quoting it, but you get the point. definitely ad hom tho.

If people want to do a chicken little pissing in their pants posting all day about the fems, fake news, terrorist immigrants, uppity blacks, yada, yada, yada, boogeyman everywhere then I'll call them on it.

Your forum, delete whatever you want. Ask me if I care.

15   bob2356   427/428 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 11:26am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

joeyjojojunior says

Not really. More just an insult. If you want to delete all insults, that's fine

Not either actually. TL has been posting night and day that everyone and everything is out to get him. I'd call that at least figuratively pissing in his pants.

16   Patrick   1410/1410 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 11:27am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Why do you care if he pisses his pants or not?

My point is that you were attacking the person, not his argument.

17   Patrick   1410/1410 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 11:28am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

But feel free to create a thread with "thunderdome" in the title to do exactly that.

18   joeyjojojunior   305/308 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 11:57am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

"My point is that you were attacking the person, not his argument."

OK I disagree completely. Attacking a person's motives or logic is not the same as attacking the person.

And the pants pissing was to show you what a real ad hom looks like.

19   Patrick   1410/1410 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 12:04pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

joeyjojojunior says

OK I disagree completely. Attacking a person's motives or logic is not the same as attacking the person.

Why are you conflating motives and logic? They are very different things.

In fact, attacking motives is explicitly part of the definition of ad hominem:

Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.[2]

Attacking the logic of an argument would be wonderful! Please do that.

20   Tenpoundbass   762/763 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 12:06pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Well Trump aint no Nixon.

Hillary is though.

21   joeyjojojunior   305/308 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 12:11pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

"Attacking the logic of an argument would be wonderful! Please do that."

Patrick--I fear you are letting your bias affect your judgment on moderation. Lips initial post is the biggest ad hom on this thread, but you don't seem to mind it. Is he not attacking the character of Rather? Or Rather's motive for making the statement?

Because he sure didn't comment on the logic behind Rather's argument.

Do you disagree?

22   Lashkar_i_Trumpi   823/823 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 3:28pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

joeyjojojunior says

It is in no way an ad hom. If I said Thunder wets his bed therefore anything he posts is gibberish, you'd have a point.

Oh please, I'm not the one running around worried that Trump is a Hitler-Putin-Incompetent who is very dangerous.

I DID overreact to the fake news about the Deep State "leaking" against Trump, but that turned out just to be a few anonymous assholes, if they really exist and weren't invented or misrepresented by the reporters - since they're anonymous, nobody can check and find out.

23   Lashkar_i_Trumpi   823/823 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 3:30pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

bob2356 says

Not either actually. TL has been posting night and day that everyone and everything is out to get him. I'd call that at least figuratively pissing in his pants.

Not really, and your argument would have better justification if you found somebody who agreed with me, who said I was pissing my pants. Otherwise it sounds like sour grapes.

Although I HAVE been spending too much time on Trump and am going to back off a bit, because I feel the Trump Bashing will continue for a long time and I'm losing my stamina to react to most of the Chicken Little baloney. I find if I wait 24-36 hours, it's shown to be fake news (if not immediately).

24   Lashkar_i_Trumpi   823/823 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 3:33pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

joeyjojojunior says

Patrick--I fear you are letting your bias affect your judgment on moderation. Lips initial post is the biggest ad hom on this thread, but you don't seem to mind it. Is he not attacking the character of Rather? Or Rather's motive for making the statement?

The initial post is simply an image of Burkett's document faxed to 60 Minutes superimposed on a Windows Office file, showing it is unlikely it came from a 60s-70s era typewriter, but was almost certainly composed on a modern Word Processor.

Burkett claims to have destroyed the originals after sending them to CBS. (Dana Carvey voice:) How conveeeeeeeenient.

Am I questioning the Character or rather the Judgement of Rather?

As for ad homs, what, I can't call Tom Friedman a person who is always wrong, and advise that one do the opposite of what he says? Are you Tom Friedman, and did I hurt your feelings, Pornstache?

25   joeyjojojunior   305/308 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 3:36pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

As for ad homs, what, I can't call Tom Friedman a person who is always wrong, and advise that one do the opposite of what he says?

According to Patrick--no.

26   joeyjojojunior   305/308 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 3:38pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Oh please, I'm not the one running around worried that Trump is a Hitler-Putin-Incompetent who is very dangerous.

Nope--you're the one that tries to discredit the source every time a reporter writes an article mildly critical of Trump.

27   mell   61/61 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 6:39pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

With this sort of fake news media onslaught Obummer would have lasted less than a week in office.

28   Ironman   1622/1681 = 96% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 7:08pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

joeyjojojunior says

Is he not attacking the character of Rather? Or Rather's motive for making the statement?

Is Dan Rather a poster here? What is his screen name and please point me to his threads/posts.

29   Ironman   1622/1681 = 96% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 7:09pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

I find if I wait 24-36 hours, it's shown to be fake news (if not immediately).

That's exactly what happens, in 99% of the time.

30   bob2356   427/428 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 8:32pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

mell says

With this sort of fake news media onslaught Obummer would have lasted less than a week in office.

You've never heard of Fox news?

31   Ironman   1622/1681 = 96% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 8:51pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

bob2356 says

mell says

With this sort of fake news media onslaught Obummer would have lasted less than a week in office.

You've never heard of Fox news?

Seriously Bobby, you want to compare Fox news to this?
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32   Ceffer   394/394 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 15, 11:18pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Rather was just complaining that his Depends were soggy, let's get the quote straight.

33   komputodo   80/80 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 16, 5:28am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

tovarichpeter says

Russian government could be the nations biggest scandal since Watergate, legendary TV journalist Dan Rather warned Tuesday.

I'm waiting for Geraldo and Brian Williams to confirm before I start panicking. Hopefully they'll discuss this topic on the VIEW so we'll be better informed.

34   BlueSardine   380/382 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 16, 5:39am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Show me where Rather posted here and you may have a point...

35   BlueSardine   380/382 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 16, 5:40am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

If you didn't care you would not have even posted this...

bob2356 says

Your forum, delete whatever you want. Ask me if I care

36   PCGyver   284/284 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 16, 7:22am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Maybe

37   NuttBoxer   225/227 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 16, 9:51am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

This thread got totally derailed. Let's get back to Rather comparing Nixon to HRC.

38   bob2356   427/428 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 16, 12:55pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Ironman says

Seriously Bobby, you want to compare Fox news to this?

Fox news was an example. Sorry )but not surprised at all) you didn't manage to pick that up. Do you want to compare with the entire right wing media echo chamber? The murdoch empire, am radio, the blogsphere, the hundreds of "educational" dark money organizations, etc., etc., etc..

BTW a lot of the organizations in your picture are conservative right wing ones. Some that you've posted articles from. But hey don't let facts confuse you.

39   Lashkar_i_Trumpi   823/823 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 17, 12:48am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

joeyjojojunior says

Nope--you're the one that tries to discredit the source every time a reporter writes an article mildly critical of Trump.

More like pointing out past mistakes that seem to have been based on bias. Who knows how many were made before Crowd sourced fact-checking was available due to the miracle of weaponized autism of the Internet.

40   bob2356   427/428 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 17, 1:45am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Not really, and your argument would have better justification if you found somebody who agreed with me, who said I was pissing my pants. Otherwise it sounds like sour grapes.

No sour grapes and no need for anyone to agree with me. I can certainly have my own opinions and I don't give a shit if anyone agrees with me. My opinion is you are running around like chicken little squawking the whole world out to get you seeing demons and boogeymen everywhere. The press squawk, the fems squawk, the immigrants squawk, black lives squawk, liberals squawk, SJW squawk, protestors squawk, anyone not a trumptard squawk.

This has nothing to do with your motive (motive being defined as the reason WHY you are running around like chicken little) no matter what @patrick says. This is an observation not a rebuttal to an argument which makes the accusation of ad hominem invalid. It is also an observation of actions not a judgement of actions which makes the accusation of personal attack invalid.

41   bob2356   427/428 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 17, 1:48am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

joeyjojojunior says

Nope--you're the one that tries to discredit the source every time a reporter writes an article mildly critical of Trump.

More like pointing out past mistakes that seem to have been based on bias.

Who died and left the all trump all the time bot in charge of pointing out bias?

42   Lashkar_i_Trumpi   823/823 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 17, 2:13am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

bob2356 says

Who died and left the all trump all the time bot in charge of pointing out bias?

Bob, you've gotten a bit bitter over the past year or two, I don't think it's anything to do with Trump.

bob2356 says

chicken little squawking the whole world out to get you seeing demons and boogeymen everywhere

I'm actually elated. TPP is gone is about all I could hope for. The rest is gravy.

As for demons and boogeymen, point your analysis at the DC Insider/Media Class that sees Misogynist, Anti-Semitic, White Supremacist, Russian Plots at every turn. I'm getting off on their desperation, although sometimes I'm torn between laughing my ass off at them and fear at how far off the rails they've driven the crazy train.

I'm not the only one who thinks the Media has a serious trust problem:

That's Gallup in Summer 2016. I wonder what it is now, after the Election.

43   YesYNot   618/619 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 17, 3:47am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

That's Gallup in Summer 2016. I wonder what it is now, after the Election.

I wonder where the presidency is about now.

44   bob2356   427/428 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 17, 4:26am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

As for demons and boogeymen, point your analysis at the DC Insider/Media Class that sees Misogynist, Anti-Semitic, White Supremacist, Russian Plots at every turn. I'm getting off on their desperation, although sometimes I'm torn between laughing my ass off at them and fear at how far off the rails they've driven the crazy train.

So you are saying your crazy train seeing plots at every turn is the correct desperation crazy train seeing plots at every turn and your demons and boogeymen are the correct demons and boogeymen. The third grade playground thing, johnny did it too. Perfect.

45   bob2356   427/428 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 17, 5:10am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

bob2356 says

Who died and left the all trump all the time bot in charge of pointing out bias?

Bob, you've gotten a bit bitter over the past year or two, I don't think it's anything to do with Trump.

Bitter? Not at all. I think it's hysterically funny that someone who thinks the only reason trump doesn't walk on water is he doesn't want to get the soles of his gucci's damp has nominated himself as the czar of other peoples bias. I'm thinking you've never run into the word irony before.

46   MMR   257/257 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 17, 6:06am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

joeyjojojunior says

m attacking the poster's logical fallacy. And his repeated use of it.

What type of logical fallacy is it? There are many types of logical fallacies

47   MMR   257/257 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 17, 6:11am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Are you Tom Friedman, and did I hurt your feelings, Pornstache?

Is that a Orange is the New Black reference?

48   BlueSardine   380/382 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 17, 6:20am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Irrelevant.
A Billionaire president who is only committed 50% to the job doesn't give a shit about polls or re-election.

YesYNot says

I wonder where the presidency is about now.

49   Ironman   1622/1681 = 96% civil   private mesage   Feb 17, 7:17am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

bob2356 says

Who died and left the all trump all the time bot in charge of pointing out bias?

Bob, you've gotten a bit bitter over the past year or two,

You're just noticing this NOW?

50   Lashkar_i_Trumpi   823/823 = 100% civil   private mesage   Feb 17, 9:06am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

bob2356 says

So you are saying your crazy train seeing plots at every turn is the correct desperation crazy train seeing plots at every turn and your demons and boogeymen are the correct demons and boogeymen. The third grade playground thing, johnny did it too. Perfect.

Oh Bob, stop twisting my worlds. Has Trump stopped getting Golden Showers from Russian Hookers, while pimping out his Eastern European wife as Rin's Escort Tonight, and getting instructions from Putin yet? The Media is totally unhinged and everybody who isn't a TDS sufferer can see it.

The Media's going after the top Channel on Youtube for making a Nazi Parody they call anti-semitic, a Flamboyant Civil Libertarian Gay Greek Jew for being a Nazi to the point the Intercept Editor (!!!) won't go on Maher because of him, and calling a guy with a Jewish daughter and grandchildren, surrounded by Jewish advisors, a Nazi.

It's all certifiably nuts. That's the crazy train.

What next? An "according to high ranking officials Trump is sitting in the WH at night with Bannon as they watch "Triumph of the Will" with Jared Kushner and Steve Mnuchin giving the Roman Salute at the Screen?"

51   bob2356   427/428 = 99% civil   private mesage   Feb 17, 5:41pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Oh Bob, stop twisting my worlds. Has Trump stopped getting Golden Showers from Russian Hookers, while pimping out his Eastern European wife as Rin's Escort Tonight, and getting instructions from Putin yet? The Media is totally unhinged and everybody who isn't a TDS sufferer can see it.

The Media's going after the top Channel on Youtube for making a Nazi Parody they call anti-semitic, a Flamboyant Civil Libertarian Gay Greek Jew for being a Nazi to the point the Intercept Editor (!!!) won't go on Maher because of him, and calling a guy with a Jewish daughter and grandchildren, surrounded by Jewish advisors, a Nazi.

It's all certifiably nuts. That's the crazy train.

What next? An "according to high ranking officials Trump is sitting in the WH at night with Bannon as they watch "Triumph of the Will" with Jared Kushner and Steve Mnuchin giving the Roman Salute at the Screen?"

Histrionics much? I rest my case. OMG it's THE MEDIA boogeyman today.

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