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Are They Really Out to Get Trump? Sometimes paranoia is justified

By Patrick   May 15, 10:29pm   7 links   9,686 views   229 comments   watch (1)   quote      

http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/are-they-really-out-to-get-trump/

Two well-informed observers of the situation have recently joined in the discussion, Robert Parry of Consortiumnews and former CIA senior analyst Ray McGovern of the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. McGovern has noted, as have I, that there is one individual who has been curiously absent from the list of former officials who have been called in to testify before the Senate Intelligence Committee. That is ex-CIA Director John Brennan, who many have long considered an extreme Obama/Hillary Clinton loyalist long rumored to be at the center of the information damaging to Team Trump sent to Washington by friendly intelligence services, including the British.

Ray suggests that Brennan and also Comey may been at the center of a “Deep State” combined CIA-NSA-FBI cabal working to discredit the Trump candidacy and delegitimize his presidency. Brennan in particular was uniquely well placed to fabricate the Russian hacker narrative that has been fully embraced by Congress and the media even though no actual evidence supporting that claim has yet been produced.

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190   BayAreaObserver   729/729 = 100% civil   May 19, 11:20am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Is there any question now that the Deep State is preparing to expel President Donald Trump from the body politic like a necrotic organ? The Golden Golem of Greatness has floundered pretty badly on the job, it’s true, but his mighty adversaries in the highly politicized federal agencies want him to fail spectacularly, and fast, and they have a lot of help from the NY Times / WashPo / CNN axis of hysteria, as well as such slippery swamp creatures as Lindsey Graham.

There are more problematic layers in this matter than in a Moldavian wedding cake. America has been functionally ungovernable for quite a while, well before Trump arrived on the scene. His predecessor managed to misdirect the nation’s attention from the cumulative dysfunction with sheer charm and supernatural placidity — NoDrama Obama. But there were a few important things he could have accomplished as chief exec, such as directing his attorney general to prosecute Wall Street crime (or fire the attorney general and replace him with someone willing to do the job). He could have broken up the giant TBTF banks. He could have aggressively sponsored legislation to overcome the Citizens United SOTUS decision (unlimited corporate money in politics) by redefining corporate “citizenship.” Stuff like that. But he let it slide, and the nation slid with him down a greasy chute of political collapse.

Which we find embodied in Trump, a sort of tragicomic figure who manages to compound all of his other weaknesses of character with a childish impulsiveness that scares folks. It is debatable whether he has simply been rendered incompetent by the afflictions heaped on by his adversaries, or if he is just plain incompetent in, say, the 25th Amendment way. I think we’ll find out soon enough, because impeachment is a very long and arduous path out of this dark place.

The most curious feature of the current crisis, of course, is the idiotic Russia story that has been the fulcrum for levering Trump out of the White House. This was especially funny the past week with the episode involving Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov and Ambassador Kislyak conferring with Trump in the White House about aviation security around the Middle East. The media and the Lindsey Graham wing of the Deep State acted as if Trump had entertained Focalor and Vepar, the Dukes of Hell, in the oval office.

Why do you suppose nations employ foreign ministers and ambassadors, if not to conduct conversations at the highest level with other national leaders? And might these conversations include matters of great sensitivity, that is, classified information? If you doubt that then you have no understanding of geopolitics or history.

The General Mike Flynn story is especially a crack-up. Did he accept a twenty thousand dollar speaking fee from the Russian news outlet RT in his interlude as a private citizen? How does that compare to the millions sucked in by the Clinton Foundation in pay-to-play deal when Madame was secretary of state? Or her six-figure speeches to Goldman Sachs and their ilk. Are private citizens forbidden to accept speaking fees or consulting fees from countries that we are not at war with? I’d like to know how many other alumni of the Bill Clinton, Bush-II and Obama admins have hired themselves out on this basis. Scores and scores, I would bet.

Trump’s adversaries might not get any traction on the Russia story, but they may enrage the rogue elephant Trump enough in the process that he will appear sufficiently incompetent to run him over with the 25th Amendment, and I think that is the plan for now. Of course, there are some jokers in the deck. A really striking one is the story of murdered DNC staffer Seth Rich last July. He was shot in the back on the street outside his apartment one night by persons as yet unknown, and twelve days later over 40,000 DNC emails landed at Wikileaks. His laptop is reportedly in the possession of the DC cops — if it hasn’t been dumped in the Potomac. I’m generally allergic to conspiracy theories, but this looks like an especially ugly story, which might ultimately be clarified if-or-when Julian Assange of Wikileaks ever divulges the source of that data dump. Anyway, the new Special Counsel at the DOJ, former FBI Director Robert Mueller, may have to venture down that dark trail.

One way or another, though, the Deep State is determined to drive Trump from office. In the final rounds of this struggle, Trump might conceivably undertake a sudden swamp-draining operation: the firing of a great many politicized Intelligence Community officers, especially the ones legally culpable for leaking classified information to media — another area that Mr. Mueller could also shine a light on. The colossal security apparatus of this country — especially the fairly new giant NSA — has become a monster eating America. Somebody needs to literally cut it down to size. Perhaps that’s the Deep State’s main motive in moving heaven and earth to dump Trump.

When they do, of course, they are libel to foment an insurrection every bit as ugly as the dust-up that followed the shelling of Fort Sumter. Trump, whatever you think of him — and I’ve never been a fan, to put it mildly — was elected for a reason: the ongoing economic collapse of the nation, and the suffering of a public without incomes or purposeful employment. That part of the common weal is liable to completely whirl down the drain later this year in something like a currency crisis or a depressionary market meltdown (for IWOG) engineered by yet another Deep State player, the Federal Reserve. That and the ejection of Trump could coincide with disastrous results.

http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/monster-eating-nation/

191   zzyzzx   847/847 = 100% civil   May 19, 11:33am  ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike   quote    

192   Dan8267   3266/3310 = 98% civil   May 19, 11:56am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Yes, the DNC is lead by a bunch of hypocrites. No, that doesn't mean Trump hasn't committed a crime. Obstruction of justice is a crime. The DNC is irrelevant to this. So call out the DNC for hypocrisy while you put Trump in handcuffs.

193   curious2   963/963 = 100% civil   May 19, 1:11pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

BayAreaObserver says

[President Trump's] mighty adversaries in the highly politicized federal agencies want him to fail spectacularly, and fast, and they have a lot of help from the NY Times / WashPo / CNN axis of hysteria, as well as such slippery swamp creatures as Lindsey Graham.

Part of that results from MIC & Saudi bloodlust demanding war in Syria and hijrah into NATO. Part of it results from MSM having become totally committed to their incredibly exaggerated and sometimes imaginary narrative about Donald Trump: their credibility and identities as the "smart" people depend on the President leaving office before he has time to prove he isn't Hitler.

Unfortunately, he's giving the MIC & Saudis much of what they wanted: more military spending, three illegal attacks on Syria so far, more weapons and support for the wars in Syria and Yemen. The MIC and their Saudi clients appear to be using the threat of investigations and phony charges to make him do what they want.

Even more unfortunately, Democrats are failing to follow Bernie Sanders' lead and draft legislation consistent with the good promises that candidate Trump campaigned on. Democrats should be writing and advocating legislation based on the good things he said. Instead, too many Democrats have decided to become part of the problem, campaigning for more war and hijrah, partly because they get their $$$ from the same sources as the Republicans, and partly because their identities and credibility depend on the fake news narrative that the MSM have been pushing. It's crowd dynamics: they compete to denounce the President and all of his works and all of his temptations, thus proving their loyalty to the misled crowd, while at the same time further misleading the crowd.

194   TwoScoopsMcGee   1620/1620 = 100% civil   May 19, 1:44pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

curious2 says

their credibility and identities as the "smart" people depend on the President leaving office before he has time to prove he isn't Hitler.

Lionel, long time Talk Radio and Lawyer, talks about how all the people in his circle lap up everything anonymous rumor the WaPo and NYT puts out daily.

Today it was an Anonymous Source claiming they fingered somebody they are keeping Anonymous is the Leaker in the WH. Who probably is a member of Alcoholics Anonymous and was hacked by Anonymous. Only a Trumptard would be skeptical of such a story.

195   jazz_music   805/806 = 99% civil   May 19, 2:24pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

Talk Radio and Lawyer, talks about how all the people in his circle lap up everything anonymous rumor the WaPo and NYT puts out daily.

Trump's continual gaffes actually do happen that Trump calls fake news after fueling conspiracy theories for years over Barack Obama's birth certificate! This is a guy who spread the fake news that the father of his Republican leadership rival Ted Cruz was involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy! This is a guy who openly lied about having seen Muslims in New Jersey celebrating the September 11th attacks (the only 9/11 celebrations that were ever actually verified were a bunch of deliriously happy Israelis). This Trump is the guy who claimed that climate change is a conspiracy invented by the Chinese!

And Trump having 1,000 paid russian trolls to spread fake news against Hillary Clinton. You remember pizza gate that the Clintons were involved in child sex for hire all over Facebook and Google?

YOU CAN'T HELP BUT GET NUMB TO THE DAILY OUTRAGEOUSNESS OF TRUMP AND JUST SOOOOOO MUCH ALT RIGHT BULLSHIT.

It's too much to remember. I'm sure you forgot about a few of the things on the list above already. The barrage grinds us all down.

So the name of the Trump game is still gas lighting and false equivalency because barrages of lies from a couple dozen web sites, 24/7 Fox and coast to coast radio bully boy celebs still aren't enough to get everyone's head spinning around.

Poor poor cheeto jesus FUCK!

196   Fucking White Male   386/388 = 99% civil   May 19, 8:50pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

Yes, the DNC is lead by a bunch of hypocrites. No, that doesn't mean Trump hasn't committed a crime. Obstruction of justice is a crime. The DNC is irrelevant to this. So call out the DNC for hypocrisy while you put Trump in handcuffs.

You actually have an ample amount of right of center people who think Trump deserves most of the criticism heaped on him....but because of the continued MSM and Democrat hysteria, they are forced to first fight against that.

Biggest cases in point are John McCain and Ann Coulter.

If the MSM would shut up for a bit with the fake anonymous sources, the country might right itself a bit.

197   Booger   513/513 = 100% civil   May 21, 4:10pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

198   Dan8267   3266/3310 = 98% civil   May 21, 5:10pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

Fucking White Male says

If the MSM would shut up for a bit with the fake anonymous sources, the country might right itself a bit.

As long as Fox News and conservative media is spitting out false information on everything from Benghazi to climate change, a partisan counterpoint is needed. We can all go to neutral PBS when the propaganda machine is no longer working.

199   Dan8267   3266/3310 = 98% civil   May 21, 5:14pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Booger says

You think that's bad? Remember how Fox News reported Obama's first day in office?

Black man enters the White House claiming to be president. No comment on the incident from the Secret Service. However, sources tell us that the entire Bush family had to leave the White House because of this and there current whereabouts are unknown. Attempts to remove the black man from the White House have been unsuccessful.

200   TwoScoopsMcGee   1620/1620 = 100% civil   May 21, 6:00pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

jazz music says

It's too much to remember. I'm sure you forgot about a few of the things on the list above already. The barrage grinds us all down.

NOPE. Sorry, the WaPo itself reported "a number of arrests"...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2001/09/18/northern-new-jersey-draws-probers-eyes/40f82ea4-e015-4d6e-a87e-93aa433fafdc/
... and local NY/NJ Stations covered the apartments close to the mosques in NJ, and the interviewed the Cops who said they remembered going to the apartment complexes "8 years ago" - during the first WTC bombing.

Those complexes were packed with Jihadi symps around a radical, Islamist Mosque.

Just a couple of blocks away from that Jersey City apartment the F.B.I. raided yesterday and had evidence removed, there is another apartment building, one that investigators told me, quote, was swarming with suspects — suspects who I’m told were cheering on the roof when they saw the planes slam into the Trade Center. Police were called to the building by neighbors and found eight men celebrating, six of them tenants in the building.

The F.B.I. and other terrorist task force agencies arrived, and the older investigators on the task force recalled that they had been to this building before, eight years ago, when the first World Trade Center attack led them to Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, whose Jersey City mosque lies between the two buildings getting attention today. And the older investigators remember that the suspects that eventually got convicted for the first Trade Center case … lived in the building where these same eight men were celebrating the destruction that they saw from the roof. Calling this a hot address, the task force investigators ordered everyone detained.

How much is a "swarm" or a "number"? People called into radio and TV shows all that week talking about Muslims dancing on rooftops AND in the Streets.

201   Tim Aurora   258/258 = 100% civil   May 21, 6:17pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Fucking White Male says

You actually have an ample amount of right of center people who think Trump deserves most of the criticism heaped on him....but because of the continued MSM and Democrat hysteria, they are forced to first fight against that.

All the credit for exposing Trump goes to MSM . Not Democrats , not Republicans and not right wing Media. So you can support or oppose Trump, do not blame MSM for your actions.

202   Booger   513/513 = 100% civil   May 21, 7:23pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

203   BayAreaObserver   729/729 = 100% civil   May 22, 3:47am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Not sure if I posted these before and while a lot of you don't care for Taibbi, he is and has been questioning "Russiagate"...

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-how-did-russiagate-start-w482262

Back in October of 2016...

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/something-about-this-russia-story-stinks-w458439

204   zzyzzx   847/847 = 100% civil   May 22, 9:37am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

205   TwoScoopsMcGee   1620/1620 = 100% civil   May 22, 10:59am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

BayAreaObserver says

Not sure if I posted these before and while a lot of you don't care for Taibbi, he is and has been questioning "Russiagate"...

Yep. Greenwald and Taibbi haven't changed their stripes, they're principled people.

206   marcus   688/693 = 99% civil   May 22, 12:17pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (3)   quote    

zzyzzx says

Yes of course there was so much substance to the Hillary scandals and they were so enormous, on fox news that is.

Behghazi is probably the worst of the three, and it's all about her speculating for a day or two about the cause before retracting her guess as to the reason for it. Meanwhile dozens of similar incidents under previous Presidents (even the huge terrorist bombing of a base in Lebanon in the Reagan years) were never blamed on a politician.

207   curious2   963/963 = 100% civil   May 22, 12:57pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

marcus says

Behghazi [sic]

If you are going to insist upon writing about that place, you might at least learn about what was actually happening in that particular chapter of Hillary's War.

Also, if you are going to post comments that expose willful ignorance on your part, you might at least refrain from calling everyone else "dimbulbs", which makes you seem like a switched off bulb. In some threads, you've called "dimbulbs" some of the most intelligent commenters on PatNet, people whose IQs are likely more than 20 points higher than yours. You write like a guy who might be 5'10" and has no other way of being even slightly above average, so he calls everyone "shorty", but keeps his eyes shut so he won't see that some of the people he calls "shorty" are noticeably taller than he is. I'll give you partial credit for the time you deleted calling me a "retard", but I suspect you deleted that only because using that particular word might get you in trouble if a school administrator found it. Instead of "retard", you write "dimbulb", over and over again, like a prayer, wishing others were dumberer. You should rather consider trying to make yourself smarter. Especially if you are actually trying to teach, you might encourage people to try harder and learn more, rather than choosing ignorance and dismissing everyone who disagrees with you as "dimbulbs".

208   YesYNot   1084/1085 = 99% civil   May 22, 1:49pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

curious2 says

you might at least learn to spell properly,

Jedus Christ. The fuckstick hit the enighboring h key instead of the n key. Who would do sucj a thing? What a dumb fuck!!!!!!

209   curious2   963/963 = 100% civil   May 22, 1:55pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

YesYNot says

Who would do sucj a thing?

Can you find any example where he has ever misspelled "dimbulb"?

210   YesYNot   1084/1085 = 99% civil   May 22, 1:59pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

curious2 says

Can you find any example

Hold on a minute while I search.

No, that doesn't sound fun at all. I'm just going to go shoot myself, instead.

211   curious2   963/963 = 100% civil   May 22, 2:58pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

YesYNot says

I'm just going to

wait, ok, I edited the comment to remove the part that drove you to such distraction. You have much to live for, probably plenty more wars you can support, bombing people out of their homes to spread Islam into NATO countries. Besides, Hillary's War in Libya wasn't even "hostilities": apparently, only friendly bombs were dropped, and the expansion of the non-hostilities to Syria liberated hundreds of thousands from their lives, and millions from their homes, where they only said they had been happy before Hillary's War.

212   Booger   513/513 = 100% civil   May 26, 11:21am  ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike   quote    

213   zzyzzx   847/847 = 100% civil   May 30, 11:24am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

214   Dan8267   3266/3310 = 98% civil   May 30, 12:03pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

zzyzzx says

Hillary used a private email server. Trump told the Russians to hack the DNC servers, told the Russians state secrets, and his cabinet met with the Russians and perjured about it. Clearly Hillary is worse.

Hillary was Secretary of State when the Benghazi attack occurred. Trump's first military operation, the Yemen raid, killed a marine and a bunch of civilians and was a complete disaster. Damn Hillary.

The Clintons gave face time to people who made large donations to their charity. Trump embezzled from the Republican campaign donors during the primary, embezzled from the government after the election, placed his family in key positions, and used his presidential power to aid his businesses. Damn Clintons!

Look, Hillary is a terrible person and we don't want her president. But if you're comparing scandals, in only 5 months of presidency and one election, Trump has ranked up more scandals and worse ones than both Clintons combined did over 25 years.

215   jazz_music   805/806 = 99% civil   May 30, 5:27pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

obligatory:

It's all Obama's fault.

216   APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   1207/1207 = 100% civil   May 30, 5:32pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

Trump has ranked up more scandals and worse ones than both Clintons combined did over 25 years

Yeah, but has he eaten a baby, even an ugly one that no one would mind him munching, or shot a disabled veteran in the face?

217   FortWayne   710/716 = 99% civil   May 30, 5:34pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Liberals playing their usual games

218   Dan8267   3266/3310 = 98% civil   May 30, 7:51pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

Conservatives being hypocrites as usual. In fact this deserves an entire thread of its own, so I'll open one.

219   Entitlemented   210/210 = 100% civil   May 30, 8:33pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

I was shocked when Hillary committed felony open broadcast of classified information, and Comey acting like an AG, essentially read his verdict on National TV. He overstepped his bounds (he works for the investigation service, not at the AGs office)

Now there is a rumor that Comeys brother is a Lawyer at DLA Piper, which about it is said that multiple work and defense of the Clintons and the Foundations were made.

https://stonecoldtruth.com/comey-tied-to-clintons-money/

220   jazz_music   805/806 = 99% civil   May 31, 1:29am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

curious2 says

Here are at least 10 of the many

He could call them poor babies for being propagandized right out of the real world.

Dimbulb implies a poor performance but how poor is a performance that is carefully crafted to fail to register with reality.

The questioner asks for "typewriter" and the poor baby responds with "icepick," is that a dimbulb or a poor baby? And any discussion results in the poor baby's trendy insults on parade., I mean the others join in solidarity.

221   jazz_music   805/806 = 99% civil   May 31, 1:34am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

curious2 says

that would be a waste of time.

Pretty good coming from the compulsive grammar checker / spell checker

222   jazz_music   805/806 = 99% civil   May 31, 1:36am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

Conservatives being hypocrites as usual.

Hypocrites exceeded only by baptists in my experience.

223   jazz_music   805/806 = 99% civil   May 31, 1:42am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

But if you're comparing scandals,

Ah the immortal 3. Let's never quit going there, bring Bill Clinton back for ass raping him rather than face the national shame that these poor babies voted for.

I totally get it the poor babies made mountain sized monuments of Clinton's 3 scandals so they never get buried under the daily Trump gaffes, whoppers, scandals, abuses, incompetencies, ad nauseum.

As the whole worlds laughs and cries for us in the once great USA.

224   BlueSardine   690/705 = 97% civil   May 31, 5:57am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

A surveillance team checking maps undercover.
A photophobic patient dutifully scanning the naked chick thread.
A Porking Event with an IHL-SJW.

Always the glass half empty with you libbies...

jazzmusic says

Dimbulb implies a poor performance

225   jazz_music   805/806 = 99% civil   May 31, 10:53am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

BlueSardine says

Always the glass half empty

Gee your glass looks pretty full there.

Enjoy your cake.

226   Dan8267   3266/3310 = 98% civil   May 31, 11:10am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

jazzmusic says

Hypocrites exceeded only by baptists in my experience.

Baptists are highly conservative.

227   TwoScoopsMcGee   1620/1620 = 100% civil   May 31, 11:14am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

How come the House Investigation hasn't called any of the very eager potential witnesses?

Delay, delay, delay. They ain't got nuthin', but they want to keep the rumors churning. Why call witnesses who will shoot down their Evidence-Free narrative?

228   joeyjojojunior   788/793 = 99% civil   May 31, 11:25am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

We'll see. The rumor is that Comey is testifying next Wednesday.

The appointment of a special counsel certainly impacted the Congressional investigations.

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