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The Democrats Need a New Message

By BayAreaObserver   May 29, 3:08am   9 links   9,413 views   157 comments   watch (0)   quote      

How low do you have to sink to lose an election in this country? Republicans have been trying to answer that question for years. But they've been unable to find out, because Democrats somehow keep failing to beat them.

The lesson in almost all of these instances seems to be that enormous numbers of voters would rather elect an openly corrupt or mentally deranged Republican than vote for a Democrat. But nobody in the Democratic Party seems terribly worried about this.

The Democrats in general have lost the ability (and the inclination) to reach out to the entire population.

They're continuing, if not worsening, last year's mistake of running almost exclusively on Trump/Republican negatives. The Correct the Record types who police the Internet on the party's behalf are relentless on that score, seeming to spend most of their time denouncing people for their wrong opinions or party disloyalty. They don't seem to have anything to say to voters in flyover country, except to point out that they're (at best) dupes for falling for Republican rhetoric.

But "Republicans are bad" isn't a message or a plan, which is why the Democrats have managed the near impossible: losing ground overall during the singular catastrophe of the Trump presidency.

The party doesn't see that the largest group of potential swing voters out there doesn't need to be talked out of voting Republican. It needs to be talked out of not voting at all. The recent polls bear this out, showing that the people who have been turned off to the Democrats in recent months now say that in a do-over, they would vote for third parties or not at all.

People need a reason to be excited by politics, and not just disgusted with the other side. Until the Democrats figure that out, these improbable losses will keep piling up.

More: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-the-democrats-need-a-new-message-w484569

#Politics #Democrats #ChangeOrDie

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118   curious2   Jun 18, 11:54pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

jazz music says

You can tongue punch my fartbox.

If that's the best that Democrats can do, then no wonder the Republicans are in charge of everything. Pointing out obvious flaws in the Democrats' losing message results in vulgarity, lies, and delusions. I won't accuse you of stabbing horses, but your comment does not bode well for Democrats' chances in the midterms. See also, Why Democrats Lost.

jazz music says

WTF do you want to happen because that guy shot those people?

As I've posted in reality, rather than in the hallucinations in your mind, people who attempt to profit as intended beneficiaries of terrorism should be prosecuted as accessories before and after the fact. The money he gave his family as part of their Islamic family plan should then be seized and distributed to the victims of the attack.

119   jazz_music   Jun 19, 12:35am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (5)   quote    

curious2 says

the hallucinations in your mind

Again you can tongue punch my fartbox.

I have just a little patience for all this posturing and chit chat.

120   CBOEtrader   Jun 19, 1:27am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Nice incoherent projection Jazz.

121   TwoScoopsMcGee   Jun 19, 9:21am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

jazz music says

What's your point? WTF do you want to happen because that guy shot those people?

The Media is always obsessed with mass shootings... Columbine was in and out of the news for years, plural.

This is the worst shooting in US History and the Media should be having these stories of $100 Quit Claims and the wife being held without bail on the Front Page, but they don't.

The only rational reason is an agenda to downplay

RADICAL
ISLAMIC
TERROR

Meanwhile we have "Fact Check" sites putting in the crazy Joker Kid at the Colorado Movie theater down as "White Supremacist Terror" when there is absolutely no evidence for it.

122   HEY YOU   Jun 19, 9:34am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

The Grim Reaper would be a great addition to solve Democrats' brain dead problem.

123   jazz_music   Jun 19, 12:14pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

CBOEtrader says

Nice incoherent projection Jazz.

Do you know what you can do?

124   BayAreaObserver   Jun 23, 3:02am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Some People “Would Rather Have 1st Class Seats on the Titanic Than Change the Course of the Ship

One reason the Dem establishment doesn't change after a loss like #GA6: Consultants who are part of that establishment just made millions.

Insider Party consultants made millions off of Jon Ossoff’s loss. Would those insiders take an Ossoff win if it meant no money for them? These people, Democratic Party elites, are not your friends and they’re not the nation’s friends. They are their own friends, period.

“Tick-tick-tick,” says the world-historical clock on the wall. By my count, with the Georgia election Democrats have just blown their fifth chance in a row to make a new first impression — all so that its entrenched politicians, consultants, service-providing infrastructure and media surrogates can make a larger pile of money, grease the skids on their own and their children’s careers, and swan about DC like the minor-league queens and kings they think they are.

“We may be on the Titanic,” I hear them all say, “but the service in First Class is terrific! Check out the lobster in the Oh It’s You, Senator lounge.”

The Democratic Party has to change its policy offering, from “You can’t have what all of you want” to “If the people want a better life, we will give it to them.”

Yet this is not so easily done. For the message to change, the leadership must also change.

we’re Sisphus pushing the same heavy bolder up the same high hill, year after year, decade after decade, till we die or the game is finally truly over. 2018 is around the bend. 2020 is coming. Après ça, le déluge. Not much time to solve this one.

Completely filling the Second Class cabins on the Titanic with our people (that is, populating Congress with progressives who are nevertheless kept from leadership and control) won’t change what goes on in the Captain’s cabin and on the bridge.

Put more simply, we need to control the Party, or when the clock truly runs out, all this effort will truly have been pointless. I’m not fatalistic. I assume there’s a way. So here’s my first shot at an answer.

Elected Progressives Must Openly Rebel Against Their “Leaders

More: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/06/some-people-would-rather-have-1st-class-seats-on-the-titanic-than-change-the-course-of-the-ship.html

Note: Sirota Interview mentioned in this article is posted above dated 18 June.

125   Quigley   Jun 23, 5:18am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Uh, aren't Dem leaders openly and nakedly "progressive?" Pelosi and Schumer sure are, in every way that makes a sound bite. Progressivism is the disease, not the cure! If Democrats dropped the anti-speech, anti-gun message and toned down their drivel on maximizing tranny accommodation, they'd have a small chance, but even that wouldn't be enough. They'd have to also get out of bed with big corporations who donate money in return for special deals in a classic example of crony capitalism. And they'd have to start representing the people, the majority of the people. Not a government for minorities, but a government for all. Trump's message was a good primer, even though they hate it. Stop putting the desires of foreigners over the needs of citizens. Stop siding with Islam over national security. Stop lying to the public every time current events bely the fractured and incoherent narrative they keep trying to sell with their owned media.

Just STOP IT! America is tired of it and we are sending you a really fucking clear message, in every district and every special election. Maybe you aren't hearing it, but that's because you're actively attacking the messengers, those few who stand up and say "you're wrong!" You call them racist, misogynist, transphobic, homophobic, regressive, and deplorable: everything but a person with an opposing view. You give us no respect, but demand respect and submission to your insane ideologies.

And you wonder why you keep losing elections...

126   Dan8267   Jun 23, 7:32am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

BayAreaObserver says

Some People “Would Rather Have 1st Class Seats on the Titanic Than Change the Course of the Ship

Yes, because the rich got the lifeboats. The poor went down with the ship.

127   zzyzzx   Jun 23, 10:37am     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

128   Tenpoundbass   Jun 23, 10:43am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

"I'm really freaking serial ya'll!"

All that talk and hype about the GOP being the stupid retards that will bring about Idiocracy.
When these idiots have covered every tower in the world in flammable volatile green panels. Estimated some 30,000 tower units world wide could all go up in an impenetrable funeral pyre in less than 120 seconds.
We've got Electric cars that to create the batteries takes as much CO2 as 2 lifetimes of a Gas guzzling car.
We've got Global warming research vehicles getting stuck in artic ice for 3rd year in a row.

Do us favor! Stop being America's smart Ass, you silly fucking simple Dipshits!

129   Quigley   Jun 23, 11:02am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Hillary for Dem nominee 2020!
snicker

130   zzyzzx   Jun 23, 11:25am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Meanwhile, in India:

131   FortWayne   Jun 23, 12:23pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Democrats, party of the tranny, by the trannies, for the trannies. Epic fail

132   APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   Jun 23, 12:27pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

SUCK! IHLLARY!'s DICK! SUCKING! BANKSTER! DICKS!

didn't work so well as a message.

133   thepaine   Jun 23, 2:15pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

The Democratic party HAS a message.

It's "We hate working class white people."

That's why they keep losing.

134   zzyzzx   Jun 23, 2:17pm     ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

135   Dan8267   Jun 23, 2:28pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (4)   quote    

zzyzzx says

Actually, something did change. The constituents of the two major parties. 1863 democrats were the exact same southern families that make up today's republicans.

And it's not today's democrats who have stated we need to import cheap-ass labor from Mexico and constantly cycle laborers to keep farm wages down. That would be the farm owners. As I've stated many times, the illegal immigration problem is a fundamental problem with capitalism. Stop letting owners profit from zero-sum wage games with labor and the problem of illegal immigration will immediately cease.

136   Quigley   Jun 23, 3:55pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

No, Democrats barely understand that farms exist, and certainly aren't in favor of them. In fact, they seem to mostly want these unnatural things shut down! (I assume they wish to subsist on mold thereafter?)

Democrats want illegal immigrants because these people are POOR and will fight to live in the poorest parts of urban areas, where black people are. Since Democrats hate black people (but can't say so since they depend on the black vote to win ANY elections), they hope that illegals will push blacks out of bad urban neighborhoods, making them better neighborhoods, raising property prices and eventually leading to gentrification. All this while the Democrats continue to get votes (legal or not) from the new residents! It's a real win-win for the DNC, getting the dangerous blacks out of the city while bringing in New Democrat voters!

137   junkmail   Jun 23, 4:06pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

JazzMusic says

Do you know what you can do?

Hide your stash?

138   Dan8267   Jun 23, 5:33pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley says

No, Democrats barely understand that farms exist, and certainly aren't in favor of them. In fact, they seem to mostly want these unnatural things shut down! (I assume they wish to subsist on mold thereafter?)

Democrats want illegal immigrants because these people are POOR and will fight to live in the poorest parts of urban areas, where black people are.

What Democrats want is irrelevant to the fact that illegal immigration exists because of capitalism, precisely because the farm owners are playing zero-sum wage games with labor. Take away those zero-sum wage games and all those damn Mexicans coming across the border will stop.

This is a fact, not an opinion. Maybe you should adjust your opinion of capitalism accordingly.

139   Quigley   Jun 23, 8:08pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

illegal immigration exists because of capitalism,

Well, I can't argue with that. Republicans like it for that reason alone.
I guess North Korea doesn't have much of an illegal immigration problem, and it is fresh out of capitalism!

140   Dan8267   Jun 23, 8:19pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Just because one system is bad does not mean the other system is good, especially when there are more than two systems to choose from. You have very low standards.

141   jvolstad   Jun 23, 8:52pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Booger says

Elizabeth Warren is now threatening President Trump with her nudes. This is getting out of control.

I think Bill would be more interested in her nudes.

142   jazz_music   Jun 23, 9:16pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

junkmail says

Hide your stash?

You changed the subject to me.

143   jazz_music   Jun 23, 9:24pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Democrats didn't fall for Trump. How about that? In fact just look at how people who fell for his shit are abandoning him all the time? What's your excuse? Are you in love with Trump? Did he grab you by your pussy or something? hahahahahaha

Quigley says

No, Democrats barely understand that farms exist, and certainly aren't in favor of them. In fact, they seem to mostly want these unnatural things shut down! (I assume they wish to subsist on mold thereafter?)

Sources for any of that load of horse shit? Hahahahahahahaha

144   jazz_music   Jun 23, 9:30pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

thepaine says

The Democratic party HAS a message.

It's "We hate working class white people."

That's why they keep losing.

CHEETO JESUS said yesterday that Democrats lose because they get in the way of tax cuts. (and they don't have as much invested in gerrymandering)

145   jazz_music   Jun 23, 9:31pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Quigley says

Uh, aren't Dem leaders openly and nakedly "progressive?"

I guess they are whatever is necessary to avoid facing your own failures.

146   jazz_music   Jun 23, 9:33pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Tenpoundbass says

All that talk and hype about the GOP being the stupid retards that will bring about Idiocracy.

That's what Trump said just before you geniuses elected him! Bwahahahahahahahaaaaa

147   Dan8267   Jun 23, 9:34pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

FortWayne says

Democrats, party of the tranny, by the trannies, for the trannies. Epic fail

You're whole life revolves around homosexuality. This is very suspicious for an alleged heterosexual.

148   jazz_music   Jun 23, 9:39pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

curious2 says

Clintons' Saudi clients

WTF relevance is that when the Saudis bribe everybody, Bush when 911 happened and Trump's family was just given beaucoup capital etc. by them last week?

You forgot to mention Clinton being shot at and Benghazi, and what was that third one?

149   Booger   Jun 24, 8:33am     ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike   quote    

150   Booger   Jun 24, 8:36am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

FortWayne says

Democrats, party of the tranny, by the trannies, for the trannies. Epic fail

151   Booger   Jun 24, 8:37am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Edit.

152   BayAreaObserver   Jun 29, 1:41am     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

The Case for Paying Less Attention to Donald Trump - Democrats' problems start with oft-ignored state legislatures.

The bad news for the rest of us is Trump isn't going away anytime soon. But the good news is that it's not only possible but crucial to pay less attention to the president. That's because fighting back against Trumpism doesn't begin at the top, with Trump himself. It begins with winning back the state legislatures that draw electoral maps and make the rules that shape elections.

Yes, state legislatures are a tough topic to get excited about. Most voters cannot even name their state reps. Yet when we think about some of the worst developments in modern politics – voter suppression, purged voter rolls, ruthless gerrymandering, abortion restrictions, Neanderthal educational policies, brutal sentencing and policing "reforms" – they emanate not from D.C., but from state capitols. Right now Democrats control 31 of 98 partisan state legislative chambers nationwide.

Read that again. That's less than one in three. That's not lagging behind – that's getting blown the hell out.

Of course the most regressive parts of the right-wing agenda will become reality when Republicans control state legislatures this lopsidedly. Trump is increasingly the focal point of politics on the left, but he is not the one who stacked the deck in favor of the right over the past two decades. Republican success at every level is built upon control of state legislatures that dictate essential aspects of elections.

Turnout in midterm election primaries is very low. Getting involved at that stage can make a real difference.

The "midterm loss" phenomenon and the colossal embarrassment that the Trump presidency has been suggest that Democratic candidates will have the wind at their backs in 2018. The timing is perfect to get serious about down-ballot races and start chipping away at the dominant position Republicans hold in state capitols across the country.

Donald Trump is not the problem with the GOP; he is the symptom of the party's top-to-bottom absence of principles and willingness to manipulate rules. If progressives focus exclusively on Trump, that makes it easier it is for Republicans at other levels to push their loathsome agenda forward. So give it a shot: Try paying a bit less attention to the loud-mouthed clown and a lot more to the low-key races that will determine control of America's electoral future. The country will be better off for it.

Full Article: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-case-for-paying-less-attention-to-donald-trump-w489765

153   BayAreaObserver   Jul 11, 6:34am     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

The Republican Party may be facing an identity crisis as it tries to come to terms with President Donald Trump's agenda, but the Democrats seem to be completely tone-deaf. On Wednesday, as part of a fundraising initiative by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the party floated a handful of new slogans for the 2018 midterms. One of them – "I mean, have you seen the other guys?" – was met with much mockery from both sides of the aisle.

The Democrats need a new playbook if they expect to win elections. Low approval ratings of Congress and Trump are not enough; the party needs to come up with a platform and messaging that are relatable to the American people, something on which the Republicans capitalized in 2016.

It was clear during the election that Democrats were perceived as "out of touch," with Democratic nominee and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton at the helm, dismantling everything that President Barack Obama helped to create. Clinton was viewed as someone who reaped the benefits of a political system that many Americans had come to distrust and even hate. Her political demise came with the rise in popularity of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, who built a movement around bringing government back to the people and taking on special interests in Washington. In fact, Clinton represented most everything that Sanders' supporters detested.

More: https://www.usnews.com/opinion/thomas-jefferson-street/articles/2017-07-06/democrats-2018-election-messaging-is-all-wrong

154   Tenpoundbass   Jul 11, 6:40am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

You aint kidding they need a new message.

"We gonna put all the women in Chains!"
Isn't working!

155   BayAreaObserver   Jul 26, 1:04pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

What's The Matter With Democrats? Thomas Frank Explains.

In the last decade, the Democratic Party lost the White House, Congress, most governorships and hundreds of legislative seats. That happened as Democratic powerbrokers worked to promote more corporate-friendly leaders like Hillary Clinton, holding back more progressive icons like Sen. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

As the 2018 election approaches, author Thomas Frank argues that the party has made a catastrophic mistake by coddling big money and disavowing its New Deal roots.

Frank first gained national notice with his 2004 book, “What’s the Matter With Kansas,” which analyzed how working-class voters backed Republicans — even as GOP politicians promoted policies that favored the rich. In his more recent book “Listen, Liberal,” Frank argues that the Democratic Party aided and abetted that trend by becoming the party of Wall Street.

In a recent podcast with International Business Times’ David Sirota, Frank asserted that President Obama had followed through on a multiyear project — first spearheaded by the Clintons — to move the Democratic Party away from its populist legacy and toward a politics that embraces corporate power and elitism. What follows is a lightly edited excerpt of that discussion.

More: http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/whats-matter-democrats-thomas-frank-explains-2567486

156   Dan8267   Jul 26, 2:50pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

71889 says

That happened as Democratic powerbrokers worked to promote more corporate-friendly leaders like Hillary Clinton, holding back more progressive icons like Sen. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

Exactly. +1

157   jvolstad   Jul 26, 5:57pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

No more cunts like Hillary.

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