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The Democrats Need a New Message

By BayAreaObserver   May 29, 3:08am   8 links   5,052 views   124 comments   watch (0)   quote      

How low do you have to sink to lose an election in this country? Republicans have been trying to answer that question for years. But they've been unable to find out, because Democrats somehow keep failing to beat them.

The lesson in almost all of these instances seems to be that enormous numbers of voters would rather elect an openly corrupt or mentally deranged Republican than vote for a Democrat. But nobody in the Democratic Party seems terribly worried about this.

The Democrats in general have lost the ability (and the inclination) to reach out to the entire population.

They're continuing, if not worsening, last year's mistake of running almost exclusively on Trump/Republican negatives. The Correct the Record types who police the Internet on the party's behalf are relentless on that score, seeming to spend most of their time denouncing people for their wrong opinions or party disloyalty. They don't seem to have anything to say to voters in flyover country, except to point out that they're (at best) dupes for falling for Republican rhetoric.

But "Republicans are bad" isn't a message or a plan, which is why the Democrats have managed the near impossible: losing ground overall during the singular catastrophe of the Trump presidency.

The party doesn't see that the largest group of potential swing voters out there doesn't need to be talked out of voting Republican. It needs to be talked out of not voting at all. The recent polls bear this out, showing that the people who have been turned off to the Democrats in recent months now say that in a do-over, they would vote for third parties or not at all.

People need a reason to be excited by politics, and not just disgusted with the other side. Until the Democrats figure that out, these improbable losses will keep piling up.

More: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-the-democrats-need-a-new-message-w484569

#Politics #Democrats #ChangeOrDie

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85   joeyjojojunior   781/786 = 99% civil   Jun 12, 12:03pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

I could have-it was an old email address that I stopped using years ago so I just got a new account.

86   rpanic01   147/147 = 100% civil   Jun 12, 12:12pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

I don’t understand why the left has gone full red scare with Russia. If you look at the far left you would think they would be pro Russia since they push for communism try to pass legislation to for communism and promote it in colleges. The only side pumping up Russia is the left which is a mistake, I think in the end all of this Trump Russia stuff might blow up in their face.

87   junkmail   23/23 = 100% civil   Jun 12, 12:17pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

If Dems have a hope in hell it's time to stop talking about Russia. Unless they are priming Putin to run on the left.

88   FortWayne   682/687 = 99% civil   Jun 12, 12:20pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Obama was a left wing media darling, could do no wrong. Left went out of their way to excuse all his screw ups and failures. Dan still does to this day.

89   joeyjojojunior   781/786 = 99% civil   Jun 12, 12:22pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

"The only side pumping up Russia is the left which is a mistake"

That is clearly incorrect. There are many Republicans asking questions about the Russia investigation and all intelligence agencies agree that it's a serious matter that must be fully investigated.

90   Dan8267   3162/3205 = 98% civil   Jun 12, 12:57pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

FortWayne says

Dan still does to this day.

You're full of shit. I've gone on the record as stating that Obama is the WORST president in the past 100 years and I've given detailed reasons why. I even called him worse than Bush.

Just because I debunk your lies about him, does not mean I'm covering up for him. The fact that your polarized brain cannot comprehend the difference is a symptom of your delusions.

There are plenty of bad things politicians do in reality. You don't need to make up shit.

91   rpanic01   147/147 = 100% civil   Jun 12, 1:36pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

joeyjojojunior says

"The only side pumping up Russia is the left which is a mistake"

That is clearly incorrect. There are many Republicans asking questions about the Russia investigation and all intelligence agencies agree that it's a serious matter that must be fully investigated.

Republicans have always been anti Russia to feed the military, the US in general since WW2 has needed an enemy to feed the military beast. This left wing Russian thing is new. Another thing even if the Russia hacking stuff is true, it’s completely hypocritical to go so crazy over it since we do the same thing probably on a vastly larger scale. The left is pounding the anti Russia war drum that Hillary started.

92   FortWayne   682/687 = 99% civil   Jun 12, 1:54pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote    

Democrats don't need a new message, the message isn't the problem. The problem is the Democrats, it's the garbage who runs the party, the racist anti white rhetoric of clowns whose meal ticket revolves around spreading anti white and anti male racism, while promoting sexual deviances. Once that crap is filtered out of the party, we'll actually have 2 parties.

You can't expect garbage to turn into a real political party, nothing good ever comes out of that.

93   justme   234/234 = 100% civil   Jun 12, 2:09pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Democratic party leadership don't need a new message, they need a new substance.

And no, this is not a joke about substance abuse, although one could perhaps say that they have, or a long time, been abusing what used to be their substance. For how long? Well, in 1992 Bill Clinton made DNC the party of Wall St. But then reading about Jimmy Carter, even he was under the spell of security adviser Z-Big Breszinsky (sp?) and engaged in regime-change type activities.

94   joeyjojojunior   781/786 = 99% civil   Jun 12, 2:09pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

"Republicans have always been anti Russia to feed the military, the US in general since WW2 has needed an enemy to feed the military beast. This left wing Russian thing is new. Another thing even if the Russia hacking stuff is true, it’s completely hypocritical to go so crazy over it since we do the same thing probably on a vastly larger scale. The left is pounding the anti Russia war drum that Hillary started."

Well, to be fair, Russia has changed a lot since the days of Gorbachev and Yeltsin.

95   TwoScoopsMcGee   1612/1612 = 100% civil   Jun 12, 2:28pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

FortWayne says

Democrats don't need a new message, the message isn't the problem. The problem is the Democrats, it's the garbage who runs the party, the racist anti white rhetoric of clowns whose meal ticket revolves around spreading anti white and anti male racism, while promoting sexual deviances. Once that crap is filtered out of the party, we'll actually have 2 parties.

The have to spread Anti-White Racism to get the minority vote, because as neoliberals they don't want any pro-Working Class policies that interfere with outsourcing and importing (goods as well as people).

96   BayAreaObserver   668/668 = 100% civil   Jun 14, 2:17am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Can Democrats Fix the Party? Our republic is in crisis. And the party leaders who run this complex will play an outsize role in determining how the American experiment survives the Donald Trump presidency and a Republican Party that has abandoned patriotism for power. Paradoxically, after eight years of the most successful Democratic presidency in generations, the Democratic Party finds itself not only powerless in Washington, but with a party infrastructure as battered as the building that houses it. As Tom Perez, the intense new chair of the DNC, tells me from his top-floor office: "This is a turnaround job."

The Democratic Party is in the worst shape of its modern history. The presidency of Barack Obama papered over the fact that the party was being hollowed out from below. Over Obama's two terms, Democrats ceded 13 governorships to the GOP and stumbled from controlling six in 10 state legislatures to now barely one in three. Across federal and state government, Democrats have lost close to 1,000 seats. There are only six states where Democrats control both the legislature and the governor's mansion.

More troubling: Even amid the great upwelling of anti-Trump resistance, Democratic favorability ratings have continued to tumble since Election Day – to just 40 percent in a May Gallup poll. "Our negatives are almost as high as Trump's, as far as party goes," says Rep. Tim Ryan, a rugged Ohio Democrat serving Youngstown. Ryan led an unsuccessful 63-vote insurgency against House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi in November because, he says, "We weren't winning."

There is no official accounting for this erosion of power and popularity. Unlike the GOP in the aftermath of Mitt Romney's 2012 defeat, Democrats have not published post-mortems. But get party insiders talking – with anonymity exchanged for candor – and there's little debate about how the party went sideways.

Under Obama, the party infrastructure was honed to elect a president. And being a presidential party is a powerful thing – until you lose the White House. The Clinton campaign lost significantly on its own merits, though the party is loath to admit it. The same candidate who was caught flat-footed by the rise of Obama in 2008 found herself stunned by the grassroots surge behind Sen. Bernie Sanders. "And she was really surprised by how strong Trump was – and part of it was she just sucked," says the Democratic strategist, who criticizes Clinton despite being entrenched in her center-left, pro-trade wing of the party. "At a really fundamental level we gotta get people to acknowledge what a fucking piece of shit her campaign was, because Donald Trump should not have won this election." The strategist adds, "Yes, Comey happened. And yes, the Russians happened. But she had more money than God, and they spent all of it trashing him and not actually rebutting his ideological agenda."

By transforming the election into a referendum on character, Team Clinton let Trump off the hook as the frontman for the extremist GOP platform. "The country's waking up shocked to what he's doing because Hillary didn't actually explain to anybody what he was going to do when he became president," the strategist says. "We focused on him groping people – and not on him saying he was going to end our alliance with Europe or he was going to strip health care. It was an amazing failure of our politics to make our case."

More: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/can-democrats-fix-the-party-w487160

Related: Bernie Sanders Says Democrats Need To Do More Than Just Criticize Trump Sanders spoke with International Business Times’ David Sirota about his renewed push for single-payer health care, his fight against Donald Trump's administration — and his battle with some Democrats who say the party should not move dramatically leftward. Sanders talked about whether it is time for a third party in America, and what his 2016 campaign taught him about communities of color. He also discussed whether or not the Trump-Russia controversy is siphoning attention from issues like economic inequality, healthcare and climate change. What follows is a lightly edited transcript of the discussion.

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/bernie-sanders-says-democrats-need-do-more-just-criticize-trump-2551139

97   zzyzzx   790/790 = 100% civil   Jun 14, 9:26am  ↑ like (7)   ↓ dislike   quote    

98   Goran_K   415/415 = 100% civil   Jun 14, 9:56am  ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Do the Democrats even have a message?

For the past 7 months all I've ever heard out of their mouths on MSM:

- Trump is bad
- Russia is bad

Nothing about jobs, fixing health care, improving the economy. Absolutely nothing from the Pelosi's, Kamala's or Schumer's of the world.

99   BayAreaObserver   668/668 = 100% civil   Jun 14, 10:04am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Nothing about jobs, fixing health care, improving the economy

Sound a lot like the other team as well. Taking credit for jobs they didn't create, 8 plus years to have a replacement for Obamacare ready and zippo, the economy - pretty much the same as the jobs - taking credit for things that were sent into motion prior to last November,

We are however getting a lot of "stuff" from the current administration - more or less like a 2017 version of the old "Gong Show". All we're missing is Chuck Barris to announce the day's acts.

Any suggestions who can fill in for Chuck and announce "more stuff" ? It will beautiful stuff, great stuff - and lots of it and everyone will love it. We will have the "best stuff" so help me God and MAGA !

100   Goran_K   415/415 = 100% civil   Jun 14, 10:08am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

BayAreaObserver says

Sound a lot like the other team as well. Taking credit for jobs they didn't create, 8 plus years to have a replacement for Obamacare ready and zippo, the economy - pretty much the same as the jobs - taking credit for things that were sent into motion prior to last November,

Doesn't matter. It could very well be Obama's policies OR it could be more enthusiasm for Trump who is more protectionist and less globalist.

Do you think your average voter gives a shit? 1 million+ jobs have come back, and people will remember that at the voting booths. They won't care about the little details.

But they will care that they heard Trump grand standing about improving the economy, protecting US jobs and companies.

They'll also remember Pelosi, and Schumer spent all their time story telling about Russian bogeymen.

The DNC has a 40% favorability rating according to Gallup, the lowest in over 10 years (before Obama). You tell me what's going on.

101   TwoScoopsMcGee   1612/1612 = 100% civil   Jun 14, 10:42am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

BayAreaObserver says

8 plus years to have a replacement for Obamacare ready and zippo

. Of course the Ryan dominated Republicans didn't have an Obamacare Repeal/Replace Bill available. They get paid, I mean "donations", too

They're also not interested in reforming the tax code, too many beneficial loopholes for donors. Just like the Democrats aren't really interested in peace or stopping private prisons.

New Party System Birth Bangs

102   zzyzzx   790/790 = 100% civil   Jun 15, 11:21am  ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Even black people get it:

103   BayAreaObserver   668/668 = 100% civil   Jun 18, 5:37am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

David Sirota (International Business Times etc.) skewers the lame virtue-signalling that constitutes much Democratic “resistance” to Trump– focusing on personality and politics rather than policy– and discusses pressures– e.g. beaucoup bucks– that restrain holding Democrats accountable while Republicans are in power.

DAVID SIROTA: What does a progressive resistance to Trump look like? Oh, man. I mean, I’m saying this … To be clear, I am a journalist. I am a journalist who covers these issues. I’m not playing political strategist here. My view is that a progressive resistance to Trump is one that you would think by its very terms, would mean a resistance to the policies of Trump, not just to Trump, the human being. I think right now, what you’ve seen is a policy-free resistance to Trump, a political resistance to Trump, based more on enmity against Trump as a person than necessarily Trump as a vehicle for policy.

I think frankly, that kind of resistance is safer for Democratic politicians, that it’s easier politically oppose Trump on issues like the Russia situation, on allegations of foreign influence, even potentially on allegations of conflicts of interest with his business, and to be clear, I’m not saying any of those issues are not issues. They are legitimate issues, but it is easier to make those kinds of issues central to a resistance than making, for instance, his particular policies on infrastructure, his particular policies on healthcare, his particular policies on fossil fuel development, the centerpiece of a resistance, because a resistance based on resistance to those kinds of policies potentially antagonizes big donors and big money.

The big donors and big money are not threatened by a resistance to Donald Trump that is predicated on allegations about Russia, that are predicated on allegations of incompetence and mismanagement. To be clear, in the Russia case, yes you could argue there’s some money issues at work there with the oil interests and the like, but in general, that is a fundamentally different form of opposition and resistance than saying, “We are going to fight Donald Trump’s healthcare plans and propose an alternative,” because by proposing an alternative, you are potentially alienating a huge amount in that case, of healthcare money.

I think the long-term shortcoming of a resistance that’s based primarily on a political resistance rather than a policy resistance is if Trump is disempowered or impeached or thrown out, that process hasn’t birthed necessarily a mandate for or momentum for a new set of long-term policies.

JAISAL NOOR: So is it also going to be important to wage resistance to the moneyed interests, the oligarchy like Sanders said, within the Democratic Party as well, if people are going to fight for something rather than just resist Trump?

DAVID SIROTA: Well I mean, you’ve got to ask the question why hasn’t there been more of a forceful, coherent policy resistance to Trump? I think it’s because the Democratic Party is constantly caught between knowing what it should do to win elections, which is propose a positive policy vision on issues that are popular. They’re caught between that and their donor class, and so there is this constant search by Democratic operatives and pundits and politicians to try to find on the Venn diagram, some middle ground. “Where can we satisfy the public and also appease our donors?” That crossover in the Venn diagram is getting narrower and narrower because what the public wants is becoming in direct opposition to what the donor class wants.

Full Interview and 20 minute video. http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/06/david-sirota.html

104   Quigley   704/709 = 99% civil   Jun 18, 5:51am  ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Yes, exactly. The resistance to Trump is based entirely on the person and is thus meaningless when compared to issues that people consider important to their daily lives. It's not even policy, which could be debated and compromised upon, it's just "impeach this guy now because AAAAAUUGH!" Democrats are still so focused on trying to overturn the results of the 2016 elections, that they have put forth no policies that Americans can even consider, let alone support!

Democrats as they are define irrelevancy and petulance.

105   JazzMusic   756/757 = 99% civil   Jun 18, 3:12pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Democrats are nothing to worry about.

They can't even overthrow Reagan from his throne 40 years after the proper time came and went.

Whatever the GOP wants to talk about will be made instantly true by national repetition and consistency.

The GOP's simple and consistent messages for 40 years are these 3: The road to heaven on earth will result from
1) lower taxes (for wealthy)
2) no regulations, (for business)
3) lower wages and job security

106   CBOEtrader   876/877 = 99% civil   Jun 18, 6:16pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Perhaps the democrats could try not lying, cheating or stealing, especially but not limited to running a fair primary.

The republicans ran a fair primary. The democrats didn't.

Now that they lost their strategy is to fixate on this nonsense Russia narrative combined w namecalling (racist, anti--xyz, etc.)

A small group of heavily brainwashed idiots will always buy into the team game.

The vast majority of Americans see through this shit, and are tired of it.

107   Booger   497/497 = 100% civil   Jun 18, 7:32pm  ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Elizabeth Warren is now threatening President Trump with her nudes. This is getting out of control.

108   FortWayne   682/687 = 99% civil   Jun 18, 7:40pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

jazz music says

1) lower taxes (for wealthy)

2) no regulations, (for business)

3) lower wages and job security

You are just wrong, as usual.

As of today:

Democratic party policies are
1) lower taxes for well connected elite, fuck everyone else
2) regulatory applications are based on how much the entity in question donates to the Democratic party.
3) less jobs, more welfare recipients, more offshore and cheap labor.
4) promote sexual deviants by calling it the new normal.

Republican party policies are
1) lower taxes and let everyone keep more of the money they earn.
2) reduce unnecessary regulations, government shouldn't have to control every little detail of our lives.
3) jobs, jobs, and more jobs.
4) put a stop to abnormal behavior that is promoted by Democrats.

109   JazzMusic   756/757 = 99% civil   Jun 18, 11:17pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

CBOEtrader says

idiots will always buy into the team game.

Democracy is dead until ordinary people develop such an immunity to propaganda that a political group can invest billions of dollars per year in repeating messages managing popular divisions and self defeat and be seen as the evil masters that they are. The more wealthy dominate us the more they fear us, and the more freedoms, choices and commonwealth they remove from us for "reasons" like drug wars, foreign boogeymen, terrorism.

jazz music says

Whatever the GOP wants to talk about will be made instantly true by national repetition and consistency.

110   curious2   894/894 = 100% civil   Jun 18, 11:25pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

jazz music says

foreign boogeymen, terrorism.

Have you forgotten 9/11, as Rew forgot? Have you forgotten that many Muslims continue to vow even more terrible attacks, as Islam commands? Democrats put Islam literally on center stage at the convention, campaigning for the Clintons' Saudi clients, and attempting to cover up the fact the Orlando attack was an Islamic family plan. Democrats need a new message regarding Islam: how to end it.

111   JazzMusic   756/757 = 99% civil   Jun 18, 11:30pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

You believe blindly in these ridiculous lies.

FortWayne says

Democratic party policies are

1) lower taxes for well connected elite, fuck everyone else

2) regulatory applications are based on how much the entity in question donates to the Democratic party.

3) less jobs, more welfare recipients, more offshore and cheap labor.

4) promote sexual deviants by calling it the new normal.

Republican party policies are

1) lower taxes and let everyone keep more of the money they earn.

2) reduce unnecessary regulations, government shouldn't have to control every little detail of our lives.

3) jobs, jobs, and more jobs.

4) put a stop to abnormal behavior that is promoted by Democrats.

I see what Republicans have done since Nixon, their first outlaw President, and I am against it. Someone needs to right the situation and cut the shit.

Look at the excellence our society has had literally ripped away from us through greedy monied interests, look at how they exploit religious zealots and power-hungry war hawks. Since the criminals are not going to prison they set shamelessly on to ruling the world made possible by dividing, disinforming the electorate and fostering hopelessness and resignation of the masses to being ruled.

112   TwoScoopsMcGee   1612/1612 = 100% civil   Jun 18, 11:34pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

curious2 says

Democrats put Islam literally on center stage at the convention,

113   JazzMusic   756/757 = 99% civil   Jun 18, 11:36pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

curious2 says

Have you forgotten 9/11

No, so your solution is to go on forever having wars over at other people's places just because they are so lucrative to monied interests desire for more power?

Regarding 911, there is more to the story that I don't care to argue about.

114   curious2   894/894 = 100% civil   Jun 18, 11:38pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

jazz music says

your solution...

You are hallucinating and/or lying. Don't even try to paraphrase when you are suffering cognitive dissonance. Quote.

As for "more to the story," you and bgamall can discuss moulage while sharing a bloody mary in Sandy Hook.

115   JazzMusic   756/757 = 99% civil   Jun 18, 11:40pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

curious2 says

you and bgamall can discuss moulage while sharing a bloody mary in Sandy Hook.

No we can't. I won't do it. Perhaps a grand jury best do it.

curious2 says

Don't even try to paraphrase when you are suffering cognitive dissonance.

You can tongue punch my fartbox.

116   TwoScoopsMcGee   1612/1612 = 100% civil   Jun 18, 11:42pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

curious2 says

attempting to cover up the fact the Orlando attack was an Islamic family plan

EXCLUSIVE: Omar Mateen's brother-in-law REFUSES to say if he knew about terror plot as it is revealed gunman sold him the deed to his $165k home just two months before club massacre - for only $100

Mustafa Abasin, 43, refused to comment when asked if he knew about his brother-in-law Omar Mateen's attack ahead of time
He would also not respond to questions about why his brother-in-law signed over the deed on his Florida home to him for $100


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3647150/Omar-Mateen-s-brother-law-REFUSES-say-knew-terror-plot-revealed-gunman-sold-deed-165k-home-just-two-months-club-massacre-100.html

Very, very typical behavior; it's why the British, later the Israelis auto-bulldoze Property presently or formerly associated with Paleban Terrorists.

That Noor Mateen is being held without bail is another factor.

Anybody notice how quiet the MSM is on this whole case, which was the worst mass shooting is US history?

And don't forget this one:

This is mere weeks after his son committed the greatest mass shooting in US History. He was also put front and center behind Hillary at her Orlando Rally, because none of her campaign staff realized who he was, except that he was a minority who could be used to provide "good visuals" as a minority.

117   JazzMusic   756/757 = 99% civil   Jun 18, 11:45pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Anybody notice how quiet the MSM is on this whole case, which was the worst mass shooting is US history?

What's your point? WTF do you want to happen because that guy shot those people?

118   curious2   894/894 = 100% civil   Jun 18, 11:54pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

jazz music says

You can tongue punch my fartbox.

If that's the best that Democrats can do, then no wonder the Republicans are in charge of everything. Pointing out obvious flaws in the Democrats' losing message results in vulgarity, lies, and delusions. I won't accuse you of stabbing horses, but your comment does not bode well for Democrats' chances in the midterms. See also, Why Democrats Lost.

jazz music says

WTF do you want to happen because that guy shot those people?

As I've posted in reality, rather than in the hallucinations in your mind, people who attempt to profit as intended beneficiaries of terrorism should be prosecuted as accessories before and after the fact. The money he gave his family as part of their Islamic family plan should then be seized and distributed to the victims of the attack.

119   JazzMusic   756/757 = 99% civil   Jun 19, 12:35am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (5)   quote    

curious2 says

the hallucinations in your mind

Again you can tongue punch my fartbox.

I have just a little patience for all this posturing and chit chat.

120   CBOEtrader   876/877 = 99% civil   Jun 19, 1:27am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Nice incoherent projection Jazz.

121   TwoScoopsMcGee   1612/1612 = 100% civil   Jun 19, 9:21am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

jazz music says

What's your point? WTF do you want to happen because that guy shot those people?

The Media is always obsessed with mass shootings... Columbine was in and out of the news for years, plural.

This is the worst shooting in US History and the Media should be having these stories of $100 Quit Claims and the wife being held without bail on the Front Page, but they don't.

The only rational reason is an agenda to downplay

RADICAL
ISLAMIC
TERROR

Meanwhile we have "Fact Check" sites putting in the crazy Joker Kid at the Colorado Movie theater down as "White Supremacist Terror" when there is absolutely no evidence for it.

122   HEY YOU   837/837 = 100% civil   Jun 19, 9:34am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

The Grim Reaper would be a great addition to solve Democrats' brain dead problem.

123   JazzMusic   756/757 = 99% civil   Jun 19, 12:14pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

CBOEtrader says

Nice incoherent projection Jazz.

Do you know what you can do?

124   BayAreaObserver   668/668 = 100% civil   3:02am today  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Some People “Would Rather Have 1st Class Seats on the Titanic Than Change the Course of the Ship

One reason the Dem establishment doesn't change after a loss like #GA6: Consultants who are part of that establishment just made millions.

Insider Party consultants made millions off of Jon Ossoff’s loss. Would those insiders take an Ossoff win if it meant no money for them? These people, Democratic Party elites, are not your friends and they’re not the nation’s friends. They are their own friends, period.

“Tick-tick-tick,” says the world-historical clock on the wall. By my count, with the Georgia election Democrats have just blown their fifth chance in a row to make a new first impression — all so that its entrenched politicians, consultants, service-providing infrastructure and media surrogates can make a larger pile of money, grease the skids on their own and their children’s careers, and swan about DC like the minor-league queens and kings they think they are.

“We may be on the Titanic,” I hear them all say, “but the service in First Class is terrific! Check out the lobster in the Oh It’s You, Senator lounge.”

The Democratic Party has to change its policy offering, from “You can’t have what all of you want” to “If the people want a better life, we will give it to them.”

Yet this is not so easily done. For the message to change, the leadership must also change.

we’re Sisphus pushing the same heavy bolder up the same high hill, year after year, decade after decade, till we die or the game is finally truly over. 2018 is around the bend. 2020 is coming. Après ça, le déluge. Not much time to solve this one.

Completely filling the Second Class cabins on the Titanic with our people (that is, populating Congress with progressives who are nevertheless kept from leadership and control) won’t change what goes on in the Captain’s cabin and on the bridge.

Put more simply, we need to control the Party, or when the clock truly runs out, all this effort will truly have been pointless. I’m not fatalistic. I assume there’s a way. So here’s my first shot at an answer.

Elected Progressives Must Openly Rebel Against Their “Leaders

More: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/06/some-people-would-rather-have-1st-class-seats-on-the-titanic-than-change-the-course-of-the-ship.html

Note: Sirota Interview mentioned in this article is posted above dated 18 June.

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