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PCGyver says

I wonder what the lifetime cost of a Walmart employee is?

Such as?

PCGyver says

What are those costs anyways... Such as?

Read the article

Ironman says

Did you read the article at the OP?

I read enough to see who wrote the study ... "The Center for Immigration Studies". lol

If you aren't questioning Breitbart's credibility, there really isn't much more to say. That is essentially state run media, cheerleading, at this point. It's about 10 notches farther up Trump's butt than Fox news is. I'm not saying there isn't bias in everything, but there are far more centrist and news worthy sources out there.

Ironman, when Trump leaves smoking craters behind him, are you going to run to "it was Obama's fault"? What's your exit strategy?

You know whose fault I think it really will be? Take a guess. :)

PCGyver says

When measured over a period of 10 years or more, the impact of immigration on the wages of native-born workers overall is very small.

Anecdotally I can state that that is a specious statement as in the trades have been taken over by them, gardening services, etc

PCGyver says

Since 2009, the unauthorized immigrant population has remained stable, with about 300,000 to 400,000 new unauthorized immigrants arriving each year and about the same number leaving.

WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE! Kill em! Kick em out!

Rew says

Since 2009, the unauthorized immigrant population has remained stable, with about 300,000 to 400,000 new unauthorized immigrants arriving each year and about the same number leaving.

Right up until the construction industry starts up again which it is.

PCGyver says

Immigration has an overall positive impact on long-run economic growth in the U.S.

Skilled immigrants do, the ones that come in on H-1B visas, not the low skilled ones.

indigenous says

the construction industry

If it is infrastructure, as Trump is promising, are you saying the government/contractors will use undocumented workers? That would be classic. Like a knock off MAGA hat from China. ;)

indigenous says

Anecdotally I can state that that is a specious statement as in the trades have been taken over by them, gardening services, etc

Anecdotally I can state that all Trump supporters are conspiracy nuts with bad judgement as to what is factual. Talked with one today in the park while our kids played. My favorite question of his: "What are we going to do about the good Muslims that are here?" I know, I know. Maybe not quite a die-hard Trumpian with a question like that. Good Muslims? Whoever heard of any such thing? (smirk)

He told me divers off the coast of California, were part of a drilling operation which went deep, and broke through 'something'. One diver was killed by a mysterious creature with claws. It later attacked a ship and killed 9. The navy released 11 guard dolphins in the water armed with poison injecting syringes on their rostrum. 9 came back, all signaling they got their intended target, and two were subsequently put down due to wounds. Later a prehistoric creature of some sort was recovered in fishing nets. He advised me to find it on the internet and read up. (shaking head ... no no no)

Totally nice guy though. Hope I meet up with him and his kid again. He had volumes to say on Saudi Arabia conspiracy theories as well.

We better start teaching better civics and literacy fast in America.

Come on DeVos! Don't let us down! (smile)

Obama and Zuckerberg seem to think that walls will keep out the undesirables... from their own properties. When it comes to letting them stroll over into our neighborhoods, they suddenly become wall atheists!

= your presidential puppeteer.
Thats a word that must be taken seriously.

marcus says

Brietbart. Lol.

Rew and PCBGyver

Since you have wandered off the subject, I will assume you are out of arguments.

The OP has a point. There is a net cost to low skilled immigrants no matter what flavor or what stories they tell.

Eventually they will assimilate, the question is assimilate into what kind of culture. Or will they assimilate faster than the FUBAR presidents like Obama and Bush fuck it up. Trump is a breath of fresh air.

Another thing is that the US would be wise to slow down immigration to allow assimilation.

Ostensibly the ones coming in by air would at least be smart enough to get a passport, which is a test that would indicate they are less likely to be a drain on the economy.

PCGyver says

How about the Muslims illegaly crossing the Canadian border? Isn't that the ones that we really need to worry about.

Economically the Mexicans are more of a problem by sheer numbers. If this was Germany I would agree with you.

PCGyver says

Pretty sure 9-11 and the BS war that followed has cost us a pretty penny. Much more than illegal immigrants

You are conflating a phony war with 9-11, no sale

PCGyver says

If the problems you speak of by the Mexicans is lower prices in the produce section then maybe you have a point.

How much lower if you take away subsidies?

I would say this chart has something to do with it, and the chart will change when housing gets going again

indigenous says

If President Donald Trump’s promised border wall stops only a small fraction of illegal aliens from coming into the U.S., it would save the U.S.

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If benefits were cut off from illegal aliens, 90% would self-deport. Something to consider before building a wall.

PCGyver says

That is funny so Obama had taken care of the problem yet Trump campaign on an idea that had already been taken care of.

It has nothing to do with the Prez, it will change again when housing construction picks up

PCGyver says

Why will housing construction pick up?

Demographics

indigenous says

Most illegal aliens do not pay income taxes. Among those who do, much of the revenues collected are refunded to the illegal aliens when they file tax returns. Many are also claiming tax credits resulting in payments from the U.S. Treasury."

You apparently don't know how payroll taxes work. (social security). What about all the money these immigrants and their descendants spend in the economy, what about that 50K of government medical care that guy in your example didn't deserve, where does that money go ? ( I know it comes from the government, but where does it go ?)

This analysis is beyond stupid. These people have children who become citizens that pay taxes forever. Is the real issue that in the future there won't be nearly enough jobs where people can contribute more than they take out of the economy ?

I guess if the plan is to do away with decent public schools, and treat workers like crap, maybe you're right, immigrants are a drain. But even in that situation, don't the plutocrats and corporations need consumers ? You know, so that their descendant's stock portfolios can grow ?

PCGyver says

indigenous says

the ones that come in on H-1B visas

Lol I've worked with some H-1B's and while some are quite skilled they aren't all skilled. Well maybe the others are skilled in the art of BS.

Also there are many other immigrant not just illegal and H-1B

Furthermore immigrant all of them put together have a net positive impact.

Tech workers with non-technical degrees who learn development in vocational schools should absolutely not be given h1-b visas

marcus says

I guess if the plan is to do away with decent public schools, and treat workers like crap, maybe you're right, immigrants are a drain

H1-b stem classes high school teachers are certainly a "drain". Is that why you are not in favor of them?

marcus says

You apparently don't know how payroll taxes work. (social security).

As you stated in the article most get paid in cash and the ones that don't claim 8 dependents so get the withholding back.

marcus says

What about all the money these immigrants and their descendants spend in the economy, what about that 50K of government medical care that guy in your example didn't deserve, where does that money go ? ( I know it comes from the government, but where does it go ?)

Where does the corporate welfare go? Wherever it goes it is subsidized and a drain on the economy because it does not reflect true value.

marcus says

This analysis is beyond stupid. These people have children who become citizens that pay taxes forever. Is the real issue that in the future there won't be nearly enough jobs where people can contribute more than they take out of the economy ?

That's fine in the future but it certainly does not bode well for a school budget that costs what 10k per student and the low wage earner doesn't pay anywhere near that in taxes.

Also those children get indoctrinated into an entitlement culture and abandon whatever work ethic their parents had.