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marcus says

So you don't think there are any Islamic clerics that can say with sincerity and honesty that Islam is a religion of peace. Meaning that their belief system and that what they preach is peace and that they sincerely despise the people that commit violence in the name of Allah.

yup, there are zero islamic clerics who can say with honesty that islam is a religion of peace.

it is in fact the religion of war, which divides the world into conquered and unconquered territory. dar al-harb etc.

now, people do have almost unlimited capacity for self-deception when truth is painful, so the clerics may be sincere in a limited way. meaning that they are telling bits of the truth, the little bits that make them feel better, and that reassure weak-minded westerners, but not anything close to the whole truth. they just aren't going to go there, because it's not in their interest.

thunderlips11 says

But remember, Chick-Filet and the Gay Refusenik Cake Bakers, are even worse.

I'm not arguing that it's not a fucked up religion. But good to know you're getting good at using the internet. We've all seen this shit a hundred times.

I'll have to assume that you and Patrick think the best thing for Islamic women is if we close ourselves off from their world entirely, and definitely don't take any of their Syrian refugees in where they can live an American life and set an example to their medieval cousins back in the old country.

it is in fact the religion of war, which divides the world into conquered and unconquered territory

"Christian countries" already won the war. But a minority in the Islamic world seem to want to contest the result.

We're still violent, but it can't be directly tied to religion, so you know, that's entirely different.

marcus says

I'll have to assume that you and Patrick think the best thing for Islamic women is if we close ourselves off from their world entirely, and definitely don't take any of their Syrian refugees in where they can live an American life and set an example to their medieval cousins back in the old country.

Estimates have the numbers of migrants by gender and age being overwhelmingly young male, 75%.

What we should do is take the women and children out and let the men stay, but that won't happen for the same reason that Honor Killings happen.

Few Arab men will let their women leave without them. First of all, they know what other Arab Men in the migrant bands and camps will do to unaccompanied women. Second, they don't want their Women getting "Westtoxified". Third, they don't want them discovering German/Swedish Divorce Laws.

The BBC had a story about Shari'a "Arbitrators" in the UK. Most Muslim Immigrant women didn't know they had civil options for complaints about abuse or filing for divorce, and British Islamic Groups and Media encouraged only the use of Shari'a "Arbitrators" which they call "Courts". In fact, there was a scandal with Muslim Birmingham Faith Schools telling schoolgirls that using British Courts was Haram (forbidden).

In the Gulf States, males receive Text Messages when their wife crosses international borders when their passport is scanned - the government runs the program.

Here is the BBC Special.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/-7TjzSSZUvg

My dirty whore daughter is close to dying? Tell Amal I am happy... that is what she needs...
https://www.youtube.com/embed/HCPo3pzJ-Is

it is in fact the religion of war, which divides the world into conquered and unconquered territory. dar al-harb etc

In my world, the Isil caliphate is an exception not the rule.

But sure elsewhere in the world their religion is often tied to government more than in the west. But for the most part, borders have long been established. But they do use population growth to their advantage, much like Catholics did at one time. I guess still do in a few places.

I have a suspicion that in the distant future, Isil or Isis will be seen (historically) as pawns in some game for resources between the great powers of the world. But yes, they are crazy. Maybe if you had been born in to some God forsaken land, and not educated, and with little opportunity to prosper, you might be convinced to join those crazy guys that get all the women too. Unless you preferred the quiet life of being a goat herder instead.

i really admire the fundamentalists more and more. they speak so perfectly clearly about islam. they do not apologize. they do not mince words. and they smile when explaining it.

i never said the west was so wonderful. i just said islam is pretty much the opposite of what we are taught it is, or what our president says it is. our teachers and our president are lying. and lots of westerners are happy to lie to themselves because it makes them feel a tiny bit safer.

but after you get a pretty good consistent picture of the nature of islam, and you see it in practice over and over and over, all around the world, you really don't want more islam in the US.

you know, those dead people in paris are probably not even buried yet.

i just said islam is pretty much the opposite of what we are taught it is, or what our president says it is. our teachers and our president are lying. and lots of westerners are happy to lie to themselves because it makes them feel a tiny bit safer

I feel like I've been taught very clearly the negative side. In fact between the Taliban, Al-quada, Isis, and most of what I hear about the Saudis, and how they all believe that Isreal has to be destroyed. Rapes, stoning, brothers killing sisters because they want to use facebook ? My god, the negatives I hear and have been taught outweigh any poitives 100 to 1. Remember 9-11. How about this weekend ?

The dimbulb that reads nothing and knows nothing about Islam at all other than what they have seen in current events and on the internet is going to think Islam is hell/Satan on earth.

What the fuck are you talking about Patrick ?

i just said islam is pretty much the opposite of what we are taught it is, or what our president says it is. our teachers and our president are lying. and lots of westerners are happy to lie to themselves because it makes them feel a tiny bit safer.

The media lies it's ass off, but I'd say more for fear.

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Free Trade will create millions of high tech high paying jobs of the future.
There is a dire shortage of STEM Graduates.
There's a War on Christmas.
Women are paid less than men.
Video games cause Violence.
Video games cause Rape.
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Legal System is stymied by too much protection for the accused.
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Your 9-year old child will be abducted by Gypsies or Satanists or Pedos if you let them walk 5 blocks to the Park or School.

thunderlips11 says

In the OT Yahweh's dumb rules are only binding on Jews and everybody else can do whatever they want.

Except child sacrifice: "Leviticus 20:2...Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones." Islam is the only major religion that practices child sacrifice, which Muslims call "honor killings."

22% of Syrians call ISIL/Daesh "a positive influence." Any guesses as to what religion those 22% of Syrians believe in? (Hint: while Syrians comprise many different religious groups, ISIL/Daesh are Sunni Muslim, like the Saudis.)

BTW, "Nearly half of Syrians surveyed said they opposed U.S.-coalition airstrikes, and nearly 80 percent said that the war has gotten worse because of the influx of foreign fighters."

thunderlips11 says

Estimates have the numbers of migrants by gender and age being overwhelmingly young male, 75%.

What we should do is take the women and children out and let the men stay, but that won't happen for the same reason that Honor Killings happen.

We need to take in women and children who are the innocent victims in this war. I am shocked most of the migrants are young males. Most of them should be women and children who don't do the fighting. I'm sure there are lots of orphans and widows who need help.
Most men with families would care for the safety of their family first. If they are not willing to let their families go to safety, they must have extremist tendencies, in which case we don't want them anyway.

marcus says

SO all of the Islamic clerics that have spoken out saying that these recent atrocities are not the acts of true Muslims are lying ?

yes, in fact they are lying. you'd know that if you did a bit of reading.

They are just like our politicians. Politically correct bullshit. "Islam is a peaceful religion"

Strategist says

We need to take in women and children who are the innocent victims in this war. I am shocked most of the migrants are young males. Most of them should be women and children who don't do the fighting. I'm sure there are lots of orphans and widows who need help.

Most men with families would care for the safety of their family first. If they are not willing to let their families go to safety, they must have extremist tendencies, in which case we don't want them anyway.

Agreed.

mell says

Strategist says

We need to take in women and children who are the innocent victims in this war. I am shocked most of the migrants are young males. Most of them should be women and children who don't do the fighting. I'm sure there are lots of orphans and widows who need help.


Most men with families would care for the safety of their family first. If they are not willing to let their families go to safety, they must have extremist tendencies, in which case we don't want them anyway.

Agreed.

Whoops! Wait a minute. I just heard a woman suicide bomber exploded. What's Plan B?

I am curious what the wording of the question that was asked in the poll cited by OP. The source of the poll isn't exactly fair and balanced.

There shouldn't be a govt sponsored religion of any sort. One of our constitutionally granted rights.

HydroCabron says

The point is not that Christianity did those things, it's that they did them and then they stopped, usually within 2-3 generations. Cultural change and enlightenment, once started, can occur in a flash

Could be that Islam is at such a flash point, but christianity and islam have been around almost the same amount of time. I will agree that if any country could moderate muslims the US might be the only one that has that chance. Europe is gone beyond hope. Muslims can only moderate by not ghettoizing.

Muslims in India have been around since around the Mughal empire and one can see how well assimilated they are.

HydroCabron says

Patrick believes that (A) all Muslims nurture violent Muslims, and (B) violent Muslims will continue to be violent for generations

A. Generally yes, this occurs by staying silent or claiming that 'that's not the Islam I practice', which is disingenuous
B. Proof is in the pudding, to date

HydroCabron says

wealthy Christian, Muslim and Hindu oligarchs - to divert us from solving the greatest threat to our existence, which is the destruction of our environment.

Irrelevant to the topic

HydroCabron says

Guns ain't gonna fix what the Koch Bros are doing to us

Probably not; Koch brothers are a stain on humanity. Do they support making christianity the national religion?

HydroCabron says

The idea that ignorant fanatics are an existential threat to Europe or the United States is beyond laughable

I don't think it's an existential threat, per se, but it is an argument for more people being armed for sure and ready to respond when cops can't show up. But then again, guns may be of limited value against someone so crazy to strap bombs to their body and detonate them in a crowd. Having moderate muslims simply throwing their arms up in the air and saying 'this is not the islam I practice' is effectively empty rhetoric.

Great example of Multi Kult double standards:

HydroCabron says

A majority of Republicans nationally support establishing Christianity as the national religion, according to a new Public Policy Polling survey released Tuesday.

Ah but WHICH Christianity? Every splinter is sure the others are wrong and followers will burn in Hell.

You better pick one before ISIS picks it for you.

HydroCabron says

57% of Republicans support making Christianity the national religion

And David Lee Roth squats in slow motion

Does it get any more Anti American than trying to force your shitty, childish ‘religion’ on the rest of us Real Americans?