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Strategist
2018 Nov 10, 8:39pm
Strategist
2018 Nov 10, 8:39pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
I'm mad at Islam being legitimized and given special favors in the West. Hard to figure out who the bad guys are. The Muslims or the idiots who give them special rights?
dr6B saysBahais from Persia are also fine. They are oppressed by Muslims as well.
Ba'hai was illegal in Iraq until a few months ago, and most Muslims are mad about it being legalized.
I'm mad at Islam being legitimized and given special favors in the West. Hard to figure out who the bad guys are. The Muslims or the idiots who give them special rights?
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KgK one
2018 Nov 11, 6:52am
Someone needs to evaluate all the violence caused by religion. Though muslims are the only ones giving run to christianity, christianity is also very similar in nature.
Between killing 6 million Jews, exterminating 80 million native Americans, atomic bombing Japan s civilians, .... and enslaving whole world.... christianity has fair share of cruelty. Stoning, burning women... what muslims do was also prevelant in Christian world not long ago.
Once christianity becomes powerful ,they fight among themselves, ww1 ww2 , cold war with russia. Even compared to muslims, more ppl are killed by Christians. And many have nuclear war heads to be wary about them
We need to look at more peaceful philosophies to avoid getting killed .
Between killing 6 million Jews, exterminating 80 million native Americans, atomic bombing Japan s civilians, .... and enslaving whole world.... christianity has fair share of cruelty. Stoning, burning women... what muslims do was also prevelant in Christian world not long ago.
Once christianity becomes powerful ,they fight among themselves, ww1 ww2 , cold war with russia. Even compared to muslims, more ppl are killed by Christians. And many have nuclear war heads to be wary about them
We need to look at more peaceful philosophies to avoid getting killed .
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HeadSet
2018 Nov 11, 5:59pm
HeadSet
2018 Nov 11, 5:59pm
Someone needs to evaluate all the violence caused by religion.
The only religion killing in a Deity's name in any recent history is Islam. Pretty lame blaming wars on Christianity just because the nations involved were nominally Christian.
By the way, the 6 million Jews were killed by by NAZIs, an avowed Atheist group. Using your logic, we should sum up all the deaths caused by Atheists like Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot to say we need to evaluate all the violence caused by Atheism.
The only religion killing in a Deity's name in any recent history is Islam. Pretty lame blaming wars on Christianity just because the nations involved were nominally Christian.
By the way, the 6 million Jews were killed by by NAZIs, an avowed Atheist group. Using your logic, we should sum up all the deaths caused by Atheists like Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot to say we need to evaluate all the violence caused by Atheism.
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curious2
2018 Nov 11, 6:05pm
curious2
2018 Nov 11, 6:05pm
"As part of the ongoing investigation into the deadly terrorist attacks in the southern French towns of Carcassonne and Trèbes in March 2018, prosecutor’s indicted three people a source in the judiciary told Reuters."
How long will France maintain the resources and even the will to "investigate" these Islamic attacks? The investigation is inherently superficial, failing to see the forest for the trees: individual perpetrators do not matter, because they are constantly replenished by spreading Islam. Within one generation, France will be more than 20% Muslim, and most current police will retire, many to other countries. After that, you can predict with 95% certainty that France will cease to be a free country.
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
Great idea for a stained glass window. I'm surprised it hasn't been done, because it might really bring the young people back to the pews.
How long will France maintain the resources and even the will to "investigate" these Islamic attacks? The investigation is inherently superficial, failing to see the forest for the trees: individual perpetrators do not matter, because they are constantly replenished by spreading Islam. Within one generation, France will be more than 20% Muslim, and most current police will retire, many to other countries. After that, you can predict with 95% certainty that France will cease to be a free country.
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
That should make an impression.
Great idea for a stained glass window. I'm surprised it hasn't been done, because it might really bring the young people back to the pews.
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HeadSet
2018 Nov 11, 6:06pm
HeadSet
2018 Nov 11, 6:06pm
We need to look at more peaceful philosophies to avoid getting killed .
There is no such thing as a "peaceful philosophy" that will prevent war. To avoid one, a nation needs to do two things:
1. Never attack any other nation
2. Be so strong militarily that no one will attack you.
This is how Switzerland and Sweden managed to stay out of war, even WWII.
There is no such thing as a "peaceful philosophy" that will prevent war. To avoid one, a nation needs to do two things:
1. Never attack any other nation
2. Be so strong militarily that no one will attack you.
This is how Switzerland and Sweden managed to stay out of war, even WWII.
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curious2
2018 Nov 11, 6:14pm
curious2
2018 Nov 11, 6:14pm
KgK one says
If you take the time to read the New Testament and the Koran, you will see they are very dissimilar. The New Testament says to turn the other cheek, love your enemy, do not kill, etc. The Koran says to "strike terror into...the enemies of Allah" and "kill the disbelievers wherever you find them." No one who has read both could call them similar.
If you want to say that bad people have done bad things, sometimes in the name of religion, you can try, but the examples that you cited fail because they had nothing to do with religion. For example, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, and the USA declared war on Japan, for reasons having nothing to do with Christianity. You might want to read Churchill on Islam. In WWII, Christian countries proved stronger precisely because they were more liberal than the Nazi/Muslim axis. For example, the Nazis and Muslims (100k European Muslims joined the Nazi SS due to the similarity of their doctrines) would have killed Albert Einstein and Alan Turing, who helped win the war for the Allies.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-official-record-what-the-mufti-said-to-hitler/
christianity is also very similar in nature.
If you take the time to read the New Testament and the Koran, you will see they are very dissimilar. The New Testament says to turn the other cheek, love your enemy, do not kill, etc. The Koran says to "strike terror into...the enemies of Allah" and "kill the disbelievers wherever you find them." No one who has read both could call them similar.
If you want to say that bad people have done bad things, sometimes in the name of religion, you can try, but the examples that you cited fail because they had nothing to do with religion. For example, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, and the USA declared war on Japan, for reasons having nothing to do with Christianity. You might want to read Churchill on Islam. In WWII, Christian countries proved stronger precisely because they were more liberal than the Nazi/Muslim axis. For example, the Nazis and Muslims (100k European Muslims joined the Nazi SS due to the similarity of their doctrines) would have killed Albert Einstein and Alan Turing, who helped win the war for the Allies.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-official-record-what-the-mufti-said-to-hitler/
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Patrick
2018 Nov 12, 8:27am
Patrick
2018 Nov 12, 8:27am
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Regressive as the Iranian regime is, it is still light-years ahead of Saudi Arabia in terms of human rights.
Why do we even have diplomatic relations with the Saudis if we think the Iranians are bad?
Ba'hai was illegal in Iraq until a few months ago, and most Muslims are mad about it being legalized.
Regressive as the Iranian regime is, it is still light-years ahead of Saudi Arabia in terms of human rights.
Why do we even have diplomatic relations with the Saudis if we think the Iranians are bad?
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Bd6r
2018 Nov 12, 9:28am
Bd6r
2018 Nov 12, 9:28am
Patrick says
I think it is clear to all of us - Saudis buy off politicians while Iranians are stingy and do not contribute.
Why do we even have diplomatic relations with the Saudis if we think the Iranians are bad?
I think it is clear to all of us - Saudis buy off politicians while Iranians are stingy and do not contribute.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 12, 10:38am
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 12, 10:38am
Patrick says
The Iranians are pretty bad. They did kill thousands of people, including children, in 1988 under the guise of an amnesty of political dissidents.
I don't think the gap is so wide between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Both execute gays, dissidents, etc. Iran the Government funds more terror groups officially, whereas factions within Saudi Arabia fund Wahabi groups (sometimes with the King looking the other way on purpose).
Let them fight each other and profit!
Why do we even have diplomatic relations with the Saudis if we think the Iranians are bad?
The Iranians are pretty bad. They did kill thousands of people, including children, in 1988 under the guise of an amnesty of political dissidents.
I don't think the gap is so wide between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Both execute gays, dissidents, etc. Iran the Government funds more terror groups officially, whereas factions within Saudi Arabia fund Wahabi groups (sometimes with the King looking the other way on purpose).
Let them fight each other and profit!
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curious2
2018 Nov 12, 1:27pm
curious2
2018 Nov 12, 1:27pm
dr6B says
Saudis are on the Petrodollar bandwagon. American sanctions against Iran started with the hostage crisis during the Carter administration, and Khomeini had been calling America the Great Satan (hey, we're GREAT), so Iran didn't go on the Petrodollar bandwagon.
Saudis buy off politicians while Iranians are stingy and do not contribute.
Saudis are on the Petrodollar bandwagon. American sanctions against Iran started with the hostage crisis during the Carter administration, and Khomeini had been calling America the Great Satan (hey, we're GREAT), so Iran didn't go on the Petrodollar bandwagon.
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curious2
2018 Nov 15, 1:21am
curious2
2018 Nov 15, 1:21am
"Hassan Khalif Shire Ali, the terrorist who drove a burning ute into the heart of Melbourne’s Bourke Street yesterday and stabbed three people, killing one, had links to Islamic extremists, was a person of interest to Victoria Police and was known to federal intelligence agencies."
"Islamic centre connected to terror plots plans expansion
An Islamic centre in Melbourne's north that has been linked to the Bourke Street attacker and Christmas Day terror plot is seeking council approval to accommodate up to 500 people at once as its community grows.
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Sheikh Mohammed Omran, disputed the centre was linked to four terrorists connected to the 2016 terror plot, despite the group's ringleader telling police he had attended the centre every second day for five years."
Taqiya.
As noted above, Ali was from Somalia. Like most countries that have allowed themselves to become more than 20% Muslim, Somalia is more than 90% Muslim, specifically Sunni. In the capital Mogadishu, yet another Islamic attack killed at least 20 last week.
"Islamic centre connected to terror plots plans expansion
An Islamic centre in Melbourne's north that has been linked to the Bourke Street attacker and Christmas Day terror plot is seeking council approval to accommodate up to 500 people at once as its community grows.
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Sheikh Mohammed Omran, disputed the centre was linked to four terrorists connected to the 2016 terror plot, despite the group's ringleader telling police he had attended the centre every second day for five years."
Taqiya.
As noted above, Ali was from Somalia. Like most countries that have allowed themselves to become more than 20% Muslim, Somalia is more than 90% Muslim, specifically Sunni. In the capital Mogadishu, yet another Islamic attack killed at least 20 last week.
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curious2
2018 Nov 20, 3:40am
curious2
2018 Nov 20, 3:40am
"A police officer was stabbed in the neck in the centre of Brussels on Tuesday morning by a man who was reported as having shouted “Allahu Akbar” before launching his attack.
The knifeman was shot and wounded by other officers outside a police station close to Brussels’ world famous Grand Place, a Unesco world heritage site, at 5.30am local time.
The wounded officer was rushed to hospital. Police spokeswoman Illse Van De Keere said, “The officer is injured but his life is not in danger.”
The attacker is also expected to survive his injuries. Belgian media reported the man was known to police but not for terror offences."
This report illustrates another familiar pattern. Yet another Muslim living in the infidel west, resenting the infidels who have more than he does, turns to a life of small crimes, while likely collecting public assistance (jizya) from the Belgian Christians. In France, 70% of prisoners are Muslim, compared to 10% of the general population. In Britain, Muslims are three times more likely to be in prison than non-Muslims are. The terrible cost of Islam includes all of these: crimes and victimization, policing, surveillance, incarceration, etc. The people of Belgium will pay to treat the wounds of the police officer and the Muslim who tried to kill him, and pay for the trial including representation for the defendant and the state, and pay for incarceration, and when the Muslim is released eventually, the people of Belgium will pay for his next round of crimes and possible terror offenses.
The knifeman was shot and wounded by other officers outside a police station close to Brussels’ world famous Grand Place, a Unesco world heritage site, at 5.30am local time.
The wounded officer was rushed to hospital. Police spokeswoman Illse Van De Keere said, “The officer is injured but his life is not in danger.”
The attacker is also expected to survive his injuries. Belgian media reported the man was known to police but not for terror offences."
This report illustrates another familiar pattern. Yet another Muslim living in the infidel west, resenting the infidels who have more than he does, turns to a life of small crimes, while likely collecting public assistance (jizya) from the Belgian Christians. In France, 70% of prisoners are Muslim, compared to 10% of the general population. In Britain, Muslims are three times more likely to be in prison than non-Muslims are. The terrible cost of Islam includes all of these: crimes and victimization, policing, surveillance, incarceration, etc. The people of Belgium will pay to treat the wounds of the police officer and the Muslim who tried to kill him, and pay for the trial including representation for the defendant and the state, and pay for incarceration, and when the Muslim is released eventually, the people of Belgium will pay for his next round of crimes and possible terror offenses.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 20, 7:58am
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 20, 7:58am
Why was he stabbed in the neck? Because the Quran says to stab Unbelievers in the Neck:
Quran 47:4
https://quran.com/47/4
Quran 47:4
https://quran.com/47/4
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Onvacation
2018 Nov 20, 8:29am
Onvacation
2018 Nov 20, 8:29am
KgK one says
So Hitler was a Christian? Is this what public school is now teaching?
Between killing 6 million Jews, exterminating 80 million native Americans, atomic bombing Japan s civilians, .... and enslaving whole world.... christianity has fair share of cruelty.
So Hitler was a Christian? Is this what public school is now teaching?
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Strategist
2018 Nov 20, 10:16am
Strategist
2018 Nov 20, 10:16am
Wonderful news folks. I did not find it in CNN. They must have missed the news.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46273612
A suicide bomb attack on a gathering of religious scholars in the Afghan capital, Kabul, has killed at least 43 people, officials say.
At least 83 people were also wounded as the clerics met at the Uranus wedding hall, a large banqueting complex near the airport, to mark the birthday of the Prophet Muhammad.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46273612
A suicide bomb attack on a gathering of religious scholars in the Afghan capital, Kabul, has killed at least 43 people, officials say.
At least 83 people were also wounded as the clerics met at the Uranus wedding hall, a large banqueting complex near the airport, to mark the birthday of the Prophet Muhammad.
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curious2
2018 Nov 20, 3:17pm
curious2
2018 Nov 20, 3:17pm
Onvacation says
He was a confirmed Catholic (although some said he was reluctant and didn't otherwise attend mass). He believed that god had spared him from the attempted assassination bomb that killed four and demolished the whole room that he was in when the bomb exploded on July 20, 1944. He lamented, however, that Germany had been afflicted with Christianity, which he considered insufficiently violent for his purposes, and he preferred Islam as a doctrine of violent conquest:
"Hitler would say: "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the [Shinto] religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?""
Both Catholicism and Islam claim to speak for the same supposedly omnipotent (but perennially inchoate) god of Abraham. So, in praising Islam, he wasn't straying very far from his Catholic roots. The current Pope is also determined to spread Islam into Europe; I suspect one reason is Petrodollars finding their way into Vatican corruption, and another is that Muslims tend to vote more in line with the Vatican than Catholics do. Sinéad O'Connor, before she went completely bonkers and converted to Islam, used to say the problem with the Vatican was that it was run by atheists who had corrupted "our" Catholic faith. Some PatNet users appear also to consider themselves more Catholic than the Pope. That's what it comes down to: who is a "true" Christian, in the sense of a "no true Scotsman" fallacy.
Hitler was a Christian? Is this what public school is now teaching?
He was a confirmed Catholic (although some said he was reluctant and didn't otherwise attend mass). He believed that god had spared him from the attempted assassination bomb that killed four and demolished the whole room that he was in when the bomb exploded on July 20, 1944. He lamented, however, that Germany had been afflicted with Christianity, which he considered insufficiently violent for his purposes, and he preferred Islam as a doctrine of violent conquest:
"Hitler would say: "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the [Shinto] religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?""
Both Catholicism and Islam claim to speak for the same supposedly omnipotent (but perennially inchoate) god of Abraham. So, in praising Islam, he wasn't straying very far from his Catholic roots. The current Pope is also determined to spread Islam into Europe; I suspect one reason is Petrodollars finding their way into Vatican corruption, and another is that Muslims tend to vote more in line with the Vatican than Catholics do. Sinéad O'Connor, before she went completely bonkers and converted to Islam, used to say the problem with the Vatican was that it was run by atheists who had corrupted "our" Catholic faith. Some PatNet users appear also to consider themselves more Catholic than the Pope. That's what it comes down to: who is a "true" Christian, in the sense of a "no true Scotsman" fallacy.
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curious2
2018 Dec 5, 4:34am
curious2
2018 Dec 5, 4:34am
This case involves an attempt thwarted by undercover agents and successfully prosecuted:
"A soldier based in Hawaii was sentenced Tuesday to 25 years in prison for trying to help the Islamic State group.
Sgt. 1st Class Ikaika Kang, 35, pleaded guilty in August to four counts of attempting to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization. He provided classified military documents, a drone and other help, he said.
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At one of the meetings with agents Kang believed were part of the Islamic State, he swore loyalty to the group in Arabic and English and kissed an Islamic State flag given to him by a purported Islamic State sheikh, prosecutors said.
He then said he wanted to get his rifle and fight — "just go to downtown Honolulu and Waikiki strip and start shooting," prosecutors said in a news release in August."
"A soldier based in Hawaii was sentenced Tuesday to 25 years in prison for trying to help the Islamic State group.
Sgt. 1st Class Ikaika Kang, 35, pleaded guilty in August to four counts of attempting to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization. He provided classified military documents, a drone and other help, he said.
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At one of the meetings with agents Kang believed were part of the Islamic State, he swore loyalty to the group in Arabic and English and kissed an Islamic State flag given to him by a purported Islamic State sheikh, prosecutors said.
He then said he wanted to get his rifle and fight — "just go to downtown Honolulu and Waikiki strip and start shooting," prosecutors said in a news release in August."
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curious2
2018 Dec 13, 2:44am
curious2
2018 Dec 13, 2:44am
PatNet has a thread on the recent Islamic attack on the Strasbourg Christmas market, but now that the attack is confirmed definitely Islamic I will add it to this thread too.
"A massive manhunt involving hundreds of police and soldiers has been launched for a suspected extremist who yelled "Allahu Akbar" (God is greatest) during a shooting spree around one of Europe's most famous Christmas markets.
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Strasbourg's Mayor said the shooting was "indisputably" a terrorist attack
The suspect has been previously convicted 27 times
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The assault in the eastern French city of Strasbourg killed two, left one person brain dead and injured 12 others, authorities said.
Police union officials identified the suspected assailant as Cherif Chekatt, a 29-year-old with an extensive police record for crimes including armed robbery and monitored as a suspected religious radical by the French intelligence services."
The British foreign office warns, “Terrorists are very likely to try to carry out attacks in France. Due to ongoing threats to France by Islamist terrorist groups, and recent French military intervention against Daesh (formerly referred to as ISIL), the French government has warned the public to be especially vigilant and has reinforced its security measures."
The Strasbourg Christmas market had been an Islamic target before:
"In December 2000, a plot by the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat to bomb the Strasbourg Christmas market, at the feet of the Strasbourg Cathedral on New Year's Eve was discovered. The plot was foiled by French and German police after a terrorist network based in Frankfurt, Germany, the "Frankfurt group", was unravelled. A total of fourteen people were convicted as part of the plot; four in Germany and ten in France, including the operational leader, Mohammed Bensakhria (a.k.a. "Meliani"), thought to be a European deputy to Osama bin Laden."
Islam is a relentless enemy. Even if you foil a particular plot, more will follow. As long as Islam continues to grow, more Muslims will arrive to destroy the target, and eventually western civilization. It took more than 8 years for Muslims to destroy the World Trade Center in New York, from the 1993 bombing to September 11, 2001, but they did it.
"A massive manhunt involving hundreds of police and soldiers has been launched for a suspected extremist who yelled "Allahu Akbar" (God is greatest) during a shooting spree around one of Europe's most famous Christmas markets.
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Strasbourg's Mayor said the shooting was "indisputably" a terrorist attack
The suspect has been previously convicted 27 times
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The assault in the eastern French city of Strasbourg killed two, left one person brain dead and injured 12 others, authorities said.
Police union officials identified the suspected assailant as Cherif Chekatt, a 29-year-old with an extensive police record for crimes including armed robbery and monitored as a suspected religious radical by the French intelligence services."
The British foreign office warns, “Terrorists are very likely to try to carry out attacks in France. Due to ongoing threats to France by Islamist terrorist groups, and recent French military intervention against Daesh (formerly referred to as ISIL), the French government has warned the public to be especially vigilant and has reinforced its security measures."
The Strasbourg Christmas market had been an Islamic target before:
"In December 2000, a plot by the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat to bomb the Strasbourg Christmas market, at the feet of the Strasbourg Cathedral on New Year's Eve was discovered. The plot was foiled by French and German police after a terrorist network based in Frankfurt, Germany, the "Frankfurt group", was unravelled. A total of fourteen people were convicted as part of the plot; four in Germany and ten in France, including the operational leader, Mohammed Bensakhria (a.k.a. "Meliani"), thought to be a European deputy to Osama bin Laden."
Islam is a relentless enemy. Even if you foil a particular plot, more will follow. As long as Islam continues to grow, more Muslims will arrive to destroy the target, and eventually western civilization. It took more than 8 years for Muslims to destroy the World Trade Center in New York, from the 1993 bombing to September 11, 2001, but they did it.
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Police sources said the suspect had shouted “Allahu Akbar” (God is greatest) in Arabic as he attacked the women, aged 17 and 20, at Marseille’s main railway station.
Two police sources said one had her throat slit while the other was stabbed in the chest and stomach.
The assailant was shot dead by a soldier from a military Sentinelle patrol, a force deployed across the country as part of a state of emergency declared after Islamist attacks that began almost two years ago."
"Canadian police say a man driving a white car struck a police officer and stabbed him multiple times outside a football stadium Saturday.
Hours later, police say, the same man — this time driving a U-Haul truck — was pulled over a few miles away, drove off and struck four pedestrians.
The related attacks on Saturday night in Edmonton, the capital of Alberta, Canada, are being investigated as an act of terrorism, Edmonton Police Chief Rod Knecht said during a news conference early Sunday. He said an Islamic State flag was found in the passenger seat of the white Chevrolet Malibu the suspect was driving that night."
These attacks do not surprise anyone who has read what Islam says and does around the world. Partisans prefer to repeat slogans that enable them to feel good about themselves and their tribe, rather than thinking through the consequences of the policies they advocate. Spreading Islam means, inherently, spreading terrorism, military policing, mass surveillance, and eventually totalitarian Sharia rule.
You can say that Islam is not alone in doing bad things, and that America has also done bad things. That ignores the obvious. America has also done great things, from the Wright Brothers to the moon landing to the polio vaccine and the Internet. American policy has tended to get corrupted (especially since Nixon's disastrous deals with KSA), but America allows people to say what they think: for example, one of today's SNL "weekend update" pair called the President names I won't repeat here, on a show the President had hosted twice. Islam produces nothing but backwardness. Islam is a complete system (totalitarianism) that commands the violent overthrow of our government and any other that stands for liberty. Islam commands capital punishment for anyone who criticizes it or refuses to submit. Any tool or institution can be misused, but Islam was designed, fabricated, and optimized for the purpose of conquering and subjugating as many people as possible. Islam means literally "submission," and commands believers to use deception ("allah is the best deceiver") and violence ("strike terror into...the enemies of allah...kill the disbelievers wherever you find them") to force everyone ultimately to submit to Sharia.
When you see someone advocating Islam, or spreading it, please know what they are advocating.