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Where to park your hoard of cash 2.0


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2006 Oct 31, 9:38am   13,049 views  99 comments

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This topic has been brought up in previous threads, but I thought we should revisit it again.

Many of us are waiting to purchase homes based on anticipated declines in the housing market, and each of us may or may not purchase based on whatever market parameters and/or personal issues we care about. Some of us have a fair amount of cash to park somewhere waiting for the right time to use some or all of it for a home purchase. The question is, where should one put all this cash, based on today's conditions?

Stocks, mutual funds and that general asset class have had very good returns over the past several years, but the stock market appears to be possibly sputtering of late. Hard commodities like oil, gold and other precious metals are good if you are a doomsayer and expect geopolitical turmoil. However, oil has done quite the flop lately, maybe having something to do with elections coming up, maybe not. There are always bonds and treasuries, but is the bond market in a bearish mood right now? A lot of this depends on what the Fed may or may not do with interest rates in the future. And, there's always cash. CD rates have held up, but where could they be headed - up or down?

Finally, how liquid do you need to keep your cash? Are you going to decide you need it for a down payment within a month or two, making some of these options (longer term bonds, for example) less attractive?

What is the best strategy for you?

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79   Claire   2006 Nov 1, 4:26am  

OT - has anyone else noticed there is a thin picking of houses to rent in Mountain View/Los Altos?

I was hoping FB's would be putting houses up for rent, but it doesn't seem to be the case in this area. I was thinking this would be an indicator of the state of the market and FB's in the area.

80   Peter P   2006 Nov 1, 4:28am  

Peter P. you might enjoy the book.

Thanks. I will take a look. :)

my current problem is not enough storage

Try donating some stuff away. It may help.

I do think that storage space is important.

81   HARM   2006 Nov 1, 4:29am  

The REIC and the country have taken this whole thing as far as it will go and then some.

I had thought so too, but apparently not:

Cash-out refinancing hits peak
Homeowners are tapping their equity at highest rate in 16 years

82   Claire   2006 Nov 1, 4:30am  

I meant to add, what do other people observe in their areas - i.e. houses for sale vs. houses for rent - numbers increasing /decreasing?

One problem we may all have to look out for - which I didn't realize is (but you may all know already) that in order to view a house that is occupied by a renter, you have to put an offer in first. Or so someone told me.

Is that why a lot of people get kicked out of their rental before it is sold?

83   e   2006 Nov 1, 4:31am  

One problem we may all have to look out for - which I didn’t realize is (but you may all know already) that in order to view a house that is occupied by a renter, you have to put an offer in first. Or so someone told me.

Is that why a lot of people get kicked out of their rental before it is sold?

I would imagine its up to the landlord/seller. The reality is that it's easier to sell a empty (staged) house than one with "lowly" renters - at least that's what I would iamgine.

84   e   2006 Nov 1, 4:32am  

OT - has anyone else noticed there is a thin picking of houses to rent in Mountain View/Los Altos?

Tell me about it. Apartments are back to being pretty pricey as well. :(

85   e   2006 Nov 1, 5:07am  

Man... that CNN link leads to so many other hillarious links... like this one:

http://money.cnn.com/popups/2006/moneymag/25_rules/3.html

25 Rules to Grow Rich By
3. Spend no more than 2 1/2 times your income on a home.

The median income in Santa Clara is around $97k - that means you should only spend $242,000 on a home?

You've got to be kidding me. Even when I was a kid this 2.5x rule was impossible.

It's a good intent, but they might as well have said "Spend no more than 50cents per gallon for gas."

86   Peter P   2006 Nov 1, 5:15am  

You’ve got to be kidding me. Even when I was a kid this 2.5x rule was impossible.

Perhaps it meant:

Spend no more than 2 1/2 times your monthly income on a home mortgage.

Be creative. Just not too creative. Otherwise it would be destructive.

87   Randy H   2006 Nov 1, 5:25am  

2.5? Maybe that textbook was (c) 1947. After the Depression and War that number may have held, but at least the data I can see is more like 5.5.

88   Claire   2006 Nov 1, 5:33am  

SFWoman,

I think the main problems are paper paper everywhere and the kids are toy hoarders. Plus, like yourself I am a book hoarder, but mainly the kids books.

Oh, and because of rats, we cannot store anything in the garage - so Costco shopping is really challenging - what to do with the 6 million toilet rolls, straws, napkins etc that seemed such a bargain at the time. Let alone the water we keep onhand.

89   EBGuy   2006 Nov 1, 6:03am  

I think Peak Oil is about the only thing that will kill our appetite for McMansions. BTW, half of "The End of Suburbia" is now on YouTube and it provides some good background on the "birth of the McMansion".
FRIFY, good to see some else long on oil. No idea how these "investments" will perform when oil peaks, but those dividends are nice in the mean time. I also like the prospects for natural gas. BTW, my "down payment" is already in my house.... any ideas on how to defend my "paper gains" (which may soon disappear). Time to refi and buy CME housing options? Or something more sensible like buy some neighborhood real estate to boost local comps :-)

90   Peter P   2006 Nov 1, 6:34am  

If you have a real rat problem they would probably eat through the plastic to get at food, but maybe not at toilet paper?

Get a Maine Coon.

91   Randy H   2006 Nov 1, 8:23am  

Otto,

Well, you're in luck, weil ich deutsch sprechen kann. I'll see if I can find the article online.

I'll take your bet if you make it 1EUR, or better yet 1.5CHF lol.

I would point out that I take Der Spiegel with a grain of salt. Remember their "Der naechste Krieg?" articles? Reflective of much German sentiment, that magazine likes to come up with some imaginative ends of US dominance. Maybe they've got some lingering resentment from der Infationszeit.

92   Claire   2006 Nov 1, 8:50am  

Yep, the rats have eaten through several plastic containers.

Even the landlord "joked" and said we should get a cat - and then he realized what he had said - we are not allowed to have a cat.

93   Claire   2006 Nov 1, 8:53am  

http://www.cde.ca.gov/ta/ac/ap/

dan l. - showing my ignorance - not sure where Belmont is - but for CA you can use the above link to get API scores

94   Claire   2006 Nov 1, 8:57am  

Although I'm not sure all areas are covered

95   astrid   2006 Nov 1, 8:59am  

What I'd like to see more of are nooks and cranny storage spaces and organized closet spaces. That was the really great feature of Japanese houses OO linked to a couple month's back.

96   Different Sean   2006 Nov 1, 9:51am  

And DS, by the way, if there ever were hyperinflation, then fixed rate mortgage debt would be among the most valuable instruments one could hold. Remember that inflation increases the value to fixed rate debt holders and punishes savers.

hmm, that was my point. maybe it was too oblique. you would have to have fixed rate interest, yes, otherwise your interest payments would skyrocket too, as in brazil, where mortgages are something like 5% a month. the well off in brazil just don't take out mortgages. but my point was that with a rapidly devaluing dollar, your original principal amount would also devalue rapidly, making it extremely easy to pay off. savers would be punished, yes. in slow motion, that is the effect that we get anyway -- over 20 years, even 'low' inflation of say 2-4% makes it easier for people to pay off their mortgages -- in fact, some of the property-selling 'gurus' use this artifact as an enticement to get people to buy multiple properties to hold forever, as inflation will take its natural course, rents will go up, and you will be a comfortable landlord in, hmm, maybe 25 years...

why do people read the opposite of what i say? they seem to misunderstand when i say america is doomed and contains the seeds of its own destruction too, and read all sorts of dire things into it :P

97   astrid   2006 Nov 1, 12:20pm  

SP,

Absolutely. There's no guarantee on the speedy recovery of cash from the FDIC. A year would certainly not be unusual-pretty terrible in a high inflation environment.

It always helps to keep some gold (coins or simple 24K jewelry) on hand for emergency bartering purposes.

98   Sylvie   2006 Nov 2, 1:33am  

I've got it all liquid some in CD's some in a MM acct alot of gold I'm a jeweler. I don't trust the stock market anymore since 2000. I don't think we have even seen the broader indications of the HB breakdown. Next year will be the landmark year. The prediction of recession, stagflation, depression all likely. Laugh all you want about the money under your mattress scenario. I think if massive job losses occur nationwide and that is also likely if the HB slays the economy cash will be king. Most of where not even born when the great depression happened. We may well be tested as a country those of us who have lived lean and mean and rented may do better than most of the faux on paper affluent debtors.

99   Vicente   2006 Nov 2, 7:05am  

I'm going LONG on canned food and shotgun shells :-)

Just kidding. Depends on your time horizon. I bought into the stock market in 2002 and 2003 during the long slide. Now, many of those purchases have a decent return. But I have a long view, generally speaking.

As someone else said if you interest is 6-months to 1-year then CD's, bonds, mutual funds are the way to go. Even NetBank had a pretty decent interest rate on their money-market account last time I looked. I got fed up with them due to their inability to bank-link my BankofAmerica account though.

If your time-frame is short, then even Index Funds and ETF's I would not consider safe. QQQQ for example if you bought it a year ago like a friend did you'd still be waiting for it to change from red to green.

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