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He's a very logical person. I dont see how @marcus isnt disagreeing w coleman hughes. He seemed pretty spot on about everything, yet @marcus disagrees w me on everything...or so i have been led to believe. Did marcus redpill himself?

I sense Obama tutoring, mentoring and product.

The way he modulates and the SJW bullshit questions he'f fielding. He's answering them on an Obama philosophical waning back and forth. Trying to sound logical, only to swing back and inject more Fuck Whitey bullshit. He's propaganda trying to sell it. I bet this guy knows the name of that Fat bitch that goes around to universities to give Why White people suck lectures. Only some like him would.

Topic 5: Isn’t the perception the media is giving us that black people are being hunted a “Nobel lie” that will speed up police reforms and this justified?

Answer: no because inherently in America where you have more guns then people cops are just going to kill you sometimes if they think you are reaching for a gun. Sometimes that person will be black. If the perception is that black people are being hunted then every time a black person is killed you’ll have riots. Riots are bad.

Agree pretty much, although he asserts there are some police reforms you could do to reduce deaths but then doesn’t specify. I’m not sure how much you could do at this point that would have a significant impact .

I believe Trump also realizing that riots are bad for the African American community tried to discourage them with the phrase “when the looting starts the shooting starts “

"OTOH black lives matter was started because of a white on black homicide...Black lives matter is very much concerned about homicide too, only when its a black person killed by a white person...it is valid to come back and say, why are you not coming back and talking about the elephant in the room. homicide is the #1 cause of death for black men in 20's and early 30's. People dont want to talk about it because its embarrasing. There is shame about acknowledging that America has a violent crime rate many times its european peers almost entirely because of the black crime rate."

I'm confused what point marcus is trying to make w this video. this dude is spot on.

Never trust a trombone player.

Tenpoundbass says

He's answering them on an Obama philosophical waning back and forth

Had the same thought. He’s like a conservative Obama.

I think he’s just young and doesn’t want to lose all his friends by pointing out how stupid liberals are.

So instead of saying “your protests for Floyd are stupid and counterproductive “ instead he’s like: “yeah, great point , police suck man. But hey there’s not much you can do and actually it might be cool if we didn’t have a riot over it man. What do you think?”

Trump’s method of just confronting the lunacy and calling it out is clearly more effective. You can tell from the media bans. The media doesn’t bother banning you if you’re ineffective. This guy is not going to be banned.

Tenpoundbass says

only to swing back and inject more Fuck Whitey bullshit.

When did he do that? This dude is as gentle and reasoned as they come

African immigrants tend to do better than even Asians in wealth acquisition and attaining higher class in America. Clearly this means that the color of their skin isn’t the problem.

ignoreme says

Trump’s method of just confronting the lunacy and calling it out is clearly more effective. You can tell from the media bans. The media doesn’t bother banning you if you’re ineffective.

Theres a real case to be made for the gentle approach.

FYI, Coleman actually testified before Congress on the anti-reparations side.

Topic 6: What do you think about over policing?

Answer: It’s bad because you lose trust. Anti stop and frisk.

I think this is where I’m going to start disagreeing. He says a bunch of stuff like “people are getting busted for weed but murders are going unsolved”

Where’s his data? New York isnt prosecuting people for weed possession. Stop and frisk is manly about taking away guns from gang bangers. And it did reduce murder rates. If BLM then what’s your proven alternative that will do as well without losing the trust of the community? Oh right, there is none, I guess BL don’t M.


Well I’m out of beer, couldn’t make it through the whole thing. I’m surprised you agreed with him Marcus. He’s fairly conservative, just a wimpy one though.

CBOEtrader says

Theres a real case to be made for the gentle approach

Ordinarily yes, but at this point, even wimpy conservatives like this guy would be called racist by some on the left.

If someone calls you a racist to your face your response can’t be: “well you made some great points and sure sometimes I can be a bit racist but here’s why you’re wrong”

You can’t concede that. Once you do everything you say can be ignored. That’s why they do it. They’ve even redefined the language 1984 style so you can’t even hold a conservative position without being inherently racist and thus wrong.

So yeah, he’s a well read guy but he’s thinking he’s in a high school debate club while the left is playing for keeps

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Still has Marxist leanings that are carefully cloaked

Based on what ?

Tenpoundbass says

Trying to sound logical, only to swing back and inject more Fuck Whitey bullshit.

For example ?

CBOEtrader says

Did marcus redpill himself?

It happens.

ignoreme says

You can’t concede that. Once you do everything you say can be ignored. That’s why they do it. They’ve even redefined the language 1984 style so you can’t even hold a conservative position without being inherently racist and thus wrong.

The tests used to be "Do black lives matter?" (saying "All lives matter" proves your racism.) or "Do you like memes?" (If you do like memes you must be a racist as the left can't meme). The new test is your willingness to wear a mask in public even where not required.

Tenpoundbass says

Then he goes on to say, that white people are wealthy today because they bought a house in Southern California and was able to flip it.

He didn't say flip it. He said pass it down or it doubled or trpled in a few decades.

More like someone bought a house for 15K in the 50s and it is worth 1.7 million today But inflation would have it at 180K or so. . It's entirely true that a huge part of an elderly persons wealth in so cal is in home equity.

Keep in mind, he's only agreeing that red lining and inability to get mortgages effected wealth formation in black communities (something that nobody with an IQ over 60 disputes). I know that looking at both sides of an issue is anathema for you, but it's what smart people do.

Yes, of course many white folks didn't cash in on that., including me. Many did, especially those that were able to buy in the 70s or earlier.

He argues against reparations. And he seriously doubts there is a way, other than general investment in black communities to make up for this and other disadvantages minorities had before the 60s. He totally does not try to play on white guilt and argues fairly vigorously against it.

I agreed w/ the vast majority of what Coleman said. He made some great points.

I hope he gets on Rogan, because I think his skin color and intellectual style might help him reach a slice of audience that probably doesn't get reached often.

ignoreme says

Dave Ramsey is my guilty pleasure. He did a big study of millionaires. One of the findings was that most millionaires didn’t inherit their money, like 80%. Most millionaires just invest regularly in their 401k, don’t buy a bunch of crap they can’t afford on credit, and surprise they manage to save enough to retire.

I never read Ramsey, but "The Millionaire Next Door" said the same thing (over, and over, and over....) that most millionaires are right in front of you driving a 10yr old Camry, accumulating more and more wealth through their routine saving discipline, and effective spending habits.

rd6B says

R's should have this guy run for elected office and then watch how D's destroy themselves.

I think he's a democrat, but obviously a relatively conservative one on social issues and with respect to diversity of thought, free speech etc.

marcus says

rd6B says

R's should have this guy run for elected office and then watch how D's destroy themselves.

I think he's a democrat, but obviously a relatively conservative one on social issues and with respect to diversity of thought, free speech etc.

Yeah, i think he is a D, but he has rare intellectual integrity and would be someone i'd vote for.