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Fleeing California is Not going to be an option for homeowners


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2021 Apr 26, 9:50pm   2,318 views  60 comments

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So Biden's just proposed an increase to the capital gains tax. In California, with the state taxes, that would put the capital gains tax at 56.71%.

Let's say you are married. That way you get a $500k exclusion on capital gains when you sell your house.

If you bought the house for like $500k way back when, and it's worth $2.5 million now you are looking at paying about $1.1 million in capital gains tax just to get rid of your crap shack.

This is going to lock people into place even better than Prop 13.

There is no escape from California.

There's been rumors floating around the media that he wants the tax retroactive. Pity the ones that tried to escape this year, if that flies.

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40   Bd6r   2021 Apr 27, 1:17pm  

Misc says
There is no escape from California.

GOOD. Let 'em stay there and not poison our Great State of Texas.
41   Ceffer   2021 Apr 27, 3:58pm  

Rb6d says
GOOD. Let 'em stay there and not poison our Great State of Texas.

I think the Big Tech infiltration may be more dangerous than the random Libby fleas.
42   EBGuy   2021 Apr 27, 4:39pm  

Hircus says
Multiple bluetard coworkers had little TDS outbreaks over that change. It was fun twisting it back on them and guilt tripping their lib brains by making them realize that its a tax break which mostly benefits the rich / affluent / urban, and that the majority of americans benefit little, if at all from it.


It's like a land mine in the tax code that Trump buried for Dems to keep stepping on...
Seventeen New York state Democratic lawmakers on Tuesday said they will not support proposed tax increases to pay for President Joe Biden’s infrastructure plan unless it also rolls back a 2017 tax change that hurt high earners in some states.
The group urged the full repeal of the provision, which limited to $10,000 the state and local taxes that households itemizing deductions could write off their federal returns...
Leading Democrats in Congress are sympathetic to the idea of repealing the SALT cap, which would benefit primarily people making over $100,000 a year in high-tax states like New York and California.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, of California, has expressed sympathy for repeal, while Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, of New York, has co-sponsored legislation to eliminate the cap.
43   clambo   2021 Apr 27, 4:52pm  



Location is Hwy 1 North Palm Beach
The license plate holder indicates "Alumni UC Berkeley"

I wonder if he's going back to California.
44   Eric Holder   2021 Apr 27, 5:08pm  

EBGuy says
It's like a land mine in the tax code that Trump buried for Dems to keep stepping on...
Seventeen New York state Democratic lawmakers on Tuesday said they will not support proposed tax increases to pay for President Joe Biden’s infrastructure plan unless it also rolls back a 2017 tax change that hurt high earners in some states.
The group urged the full repeal of the provision, which limited to $10,000 the state and local taxes that households itemizing deductions could write off their federal returns...
Leading Democrats in Congress are sympathetic to the idea of repealing the SALT cap, which would benefit primarily people making over $100,000 a year in high-tax states like New York and California.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, of California, has expressed sympathy for repeal, while Senate Majority Leader Chuck...


Can they do it w/o filibuster-proof majority?
45   Bd6r   2021 Apr 27, 5:38pm  

Ceffer says
I think the Big Tech infiltration may be more dangerous than the random Libby fleas.

agreed, although what I see is that Big Tech moves to Austin, drags tens of thousands if not more libbies with them, and result is California East with crappy climate.
46   Booger   2021 Apr 27, 5:50pm  

WookieMan says
I still contend that Panhandle, FL areas have the best sand I've ever experienced. They don't stay as warm in the winter, so they're less popular and pumped by people.


How does it compare to Atlantic City sand?
47   WookieMan   2021 Apr 27, 6:04pm  

Booger says
How does it compare to Atlantic City sand?

Only been once. Didn't like that either. I have no bias coming from the midwest. Lake Michigan sand blows, although the actual Indiana/Michigan Dunes are kind of fun. Sand still sucks though.
48   HeadSet   2021 Apr 27, 8:05pm  

Booger says
WookieMan says
I still contend that Panhandle, FL areas have the best sand I've ever experienced. They don't stay as warm in the winter, so they're less popular and pumped by people.


How does it compare to Atlantic City sand?


I believe Atlantic City sand and Florida panhandle sand are completely different. Atlantic city is that tannish silica sand while Florida Panhandle is that white carbonate sand from granulated sea shells.
49   WookieMan   2021 Apr 27, 8:23pm  

HeadSet says
Booger says
WookieMan says
I still contend that Panhandle, FL areas have the best sand I've ever experienced. They don't stay as warm in the winter, so they're less popular and pumped by people.


How does it compare to Atlantic City sand?


I believe Atlantic City sand and Florida panhandle sand are completely different. Atlantic city is that tannish silica sand while Florida Panhandle is that white carbonate sand from granulated sea shells.

Yup. Only issue I have with Panhandle is you gotta have good sunglasses due to the reflective nature of the sand. It's amazing on the feet and looks kick ass.

The surf on the Gulf is strange though. So water activities aren't the best and shoreline can change day by day in rather dramatic fashion. Calm days though it looks better than the best beaches in the Caribbean. No reefs, but emerald blue water matched up with pure white sand.
50   just_passing_through   2021 Apr 27, 8:25pm  

WookieMan says
I'll take $10-20k back tax free and claim PR as my primary. Again, I need to look into it more. But why not have a vacation rental in PR, that you get to use and then pay less in taxes. We're talking maybe $100k federal taxes over a decade and potentially vacation home rental income and debt pay down of an asset. We're all running from taxes, seems like a decent option.


Nah, you probably won't but I like the way you think.

I have a vacay rental in Maui and I typically gross about 78K a year and have hella write-offs. This year will be >100K. In order to get those write-offs and tax breaks I can't (admit) stay in it for something like more than 10 days a year. It would be difficult for me to call some place I stay in for 10 days a year my residence.

So only if you decide you want to pay taxes on the gross I guess, perhaps that's lots less than your other income sources.

Then there is what happens if you get audited? I've been waiting nearly 2 months waiting for my Fed refund and started to trip that I might be getting audited. Checked online and it's already approved they are just snails mailing the check this year. No, I don't want to give the IRS access to wire to my bank account.
51   RC2006   2021 Apr 27, 8:33pm  

just_passing_through says
Then there is what happens if you get audited?


Biden is spending 80B hiring more irs agents.
52   WookieMan   2021 Apr 27, 8:55pm  

just_passing_through says
I have a vacay rental in Maui and I typically gross about 78K a year and have hella write-offs. This year will be >100K. In order to get those write-offs and tax breaks I can't (admit) stay in it for something like more than 10 days a year. It would be difficult for me to call some place I stay in for 10 days a year my residence.

I hear what you're saying. I wouldn't rent it out enough to trigger an audit. It wouldn't be about the rental income outside of paying the mortgage down and not coming out of pocket.

If you rent it out 182 days or less, the IRS is going to have a hard time proving it's not your primary residence. 90-100 days would likely cover your nut on the mortgage down there and the IRS for sure has no legs to stand on then.

I need to look into what the federal tax savings is. So as I've said in other comments, I'm talking out my ass a bit. But I do know it's a real thing to save on Fed taxes "living" in PR. High income earners especially.

All that aside, we'll still "winter" down in the Caribbean and if we can get something now and start paying it off before retirement, I'm game.
53   RWSGFY   2021 Apr 27, 9:00pm  

just_passing_through says
No, I don't want to give the IRS access to wire to my bank account.


Why not? I have an AmEx savings account for exactly that purpose. It sits empty most of the year but when I need to pay to or receive money from the gubmint - I transfer the funds from or to my 'real' bank accounts.
54   Robert Sproul   2021 Apr 27, 9:47pm  

Hircus says
WookieMan says
St. John is just fucking awesome though.


What's good about it? I haven't heard much about the usvi.

Here is one downside to USVI:

The 10 countries with the highest homicide rates:
1-El Salvador (82.84 per 100k people)
2-Honduras (56.52 per 100k people)
3-Venezuela (56.33 per 100k people)
4-United States Virgin Islands (49.26 per 100k people)
55   Eric Holder   2021 Apr 27, 11:24pm  

Robert Sproul says
Hircus says
WookieMan says
St. John is just fucking awesome though.


What's good about it? I haven't heard much about the usvi.

Here is one downside to USVI:

The 10 countries with the highest homicide rates:
1-El Salvador (82.84 per 100k people)
2-Honduras (56.52 per 100k people)
3-Venezuela (56.33 per 100k people)
4-United States Virgin Islands (49.26 per 100k people)


Holy fuck!
56   Ceffer   2021 Apr 28, 12:40am  

It's not whether a lot of people are murdered. It's whether the right people are murdered.
57   just_passing_through   2021 Apr 28, 8:56am  

FuckCCP89 says
Why not? I have an AmEx savings account for exactly that purpose. It sits empty most of the year but when I need to pay to or receive money from the gubmint - I transfer the funds from or to my 'real' bank accounts.


Interesting idea!

I guess in my case it's more of a protest. I'm fooling myself that they can't get in there any time they want for maybe reasons as simple as a post on patnet.

Case in point: All of the tea party people who were attacked by a weaponized IRS during the Obummer years.
58   just_passing_through   2021 Apr 28, 9:03am  

WookieMan says
I need to look into what the federal tax savings is. So as I've said in other comments, I'm talking out my ass a bit. But I do know it's a real thing to save on Fed taxes "living" in PR. High income earners especially.


For people who truly live there yes. Hey if you can pull it off I think that's awesome! I'm too chicken to try something like that. Instead I tend to overestimate my taxes if there is any confusion (by single digits). Might be why my tax refund is delayed. I noticed they are paying me back $1.26 more than I asked for / calculated haha.

I've been watching some Nomad Capitalist vids lately. What the guy offers is tempting. I'm not that rich yet though.
59   WookieMan   2021 Apr 28, 9:20am  

Robert Sproul says
The 10 countries with the highest homicide rates:
1-El Salvador (82.84 per 100k people)
2-Honduras (56.52 per 100k people)
3-Venezuela (56.33 per 100k people)
4-United States Virgin Islands (49.26 per 100k people)

Never have felt unsafe there. White privilege/tourist maybe? I don't know. 93 people have been killed in Englewood, Chicago year to date. I used to work in that neighborhood occasionally and a bunch of other ghettos in Chicago. Unless my math is wrong, Englewood is about 306 per 100k people (30k population). Either way that's 4 months. Close to 300 people will be killed there this year, probably more as summer hasn't hit yet.

Here's the total for 2020 for all of USVI: http://www.virginislandsdailynews.com/news/2020-homicides/article_22a93566-6623-5a6e-b0eb-f18fb8275a22.html

In 2020, the Virgin Islands recorded 49 homicides, including 27 on St. Croix, 20 on St. Thomas and two on St. John. Two of the homicides were vehicular in nature.


That's really a huge nothing burger. And I'd guess most of it is domestic violence as well. Just seems high per capita, which it obviously is, but it's no Englewood and I've gone there hundreds of times. Puerto Rico is the main target as Chicago will always have non-stops to the island. St. Thomas/John would be nicer though as a beach lover.
60   B.A.C.A.H.   2021 Apr 28, 12:08pm  

A thought experiment.

In order to have such a huge capital gain, it means a relatively low cost basis. That means for most cases, a long-ago purchase with Proposition 13 assessment locked in.

All those years, all those savings on Property Tax, compounded if invested. (Indirectly) subsidized by Tax Donkeys who made more recent purchases at more recent prices with more recent assessments. This would include some renters who paid it through some landlords.

Now a taxable windfall capital gain. What goes around, comes around.

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