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2021 Sep 21, 1:50pm   1,613 views  14 comments

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So we have a fucked up situation. Took the nephew in, but mom is still guardian. Baby daddy is in prison currently. Both parents supposedly need to be present. Anyone ever deal with a similar situation or know someone that has?

We have trips to Jamaica and Mexico booked that we can cancel if needed (don't want to), but my nephew doesn't have his passport. My SIL has done nothing for months, hence why we have him. We've done our kids passports, so I get the process. It's just this unique situation where the birth certificate Dad is in prison (not jail).

There is a form I believe from looking at the passport site from the government for an absentee parent if it's notarized, but our post office is saying both parents need to be present. Not possible.

I'll contact a service/attorney, but figured I'd throw the question out here and see if I could save some $$$ on it. This situation is handcuffing my family and it's frustrating as fuck. It's also opportunities lost to explore for my nephew, who hasn't had the best life, and see the world or at least the parts close to the US. We're trying to lock up Costa Rica for Spring Break too.

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1   richwicks   2021 Sep 21, 5:06pm  

I have not dealt with a similar situation, but if you're the legal guardians, that should solve the problem.

I'd like to also point out this is an immense and varied country.

But, winter is approaching, so - unless you like snow.

I'd recommend this place, in the summer:

https://www.covewoodlodge.com/

As I've stayed there, it's not fancy, but it's secluded. And that's what I like.
2   NuttBoxer   2021 Sep 21, 5:36pm  

I know there is a local passport office you can make an appointment with if you need the passport and have upcoming travel scheduled. I don't see why you couldn't get something from the prison verifying the father is not able to be present, seems like a situation they has to have come up before.
3   Booger   2021 Sep 21, 5:50pm  

Go to Florida or Puerto Rico instead.
4   GreaterNYCDude   2021 Sep 21, 8:23pm  

I know that some local post offices do not have the "full service" that a larger post office or passport office would have. We ran into a similar situation our local place wouldn't process the application for children at all. The larger post office down the way took care of everything.

Both parents need to be present because they don't want a parent trying to smuggle the kid out of the country during a messy divorce.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/legal-matters/family-law.html

As dumb as it sounds, call your local congrespersons office. They may be able to help you out, belive it or not.

Clearly your not the only one who has had this sort of a situation. The passport FAQ covers all sorts of contingency situations.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/need-passport/under-16.html
5   richwicks   2021 Sep 21, 10:00pm  

WookieMan says
It's also opportunities lost to explore for my nephew, who hasn't had the best life


I'm going to comment on this.

Your concept of a good life of superficial vacations and travel are false in my opinion. It's wasteful. You want to give him a good experience, give him a good education.

I've lived in 5 states, so much variety here but I don't consider any of those experiences useful education or comprehension.

My mother used to travel with my aunt and when we hooked up, I had to see all the fucking goddamned tourist traps. When I went to Paris, I used my terrible French to connect to the locals. I hate tourist traps with such a fucking passion. To go into the Eiffel Tower was 2 hours. What? To stand on an ancient monument to a World's Fair?

See the actual world. Your kids are probably too young, and you frankly might be, but travel to a shithole in the middle of nowhere, just so you can see their point of view. I think I'm incredibly old. I hate liberals because they never talk to the people they claim to represent. I honestly love the working class. Go to podunk nowhere if you want to understand the world, ask questions, keep your mouth shut, and listen. Don't contradict anybody, when you are in contention, HONESTLY explain your position, and ask if they think you are wrong and how you are wrong. Keep your mouth shut.

I've learned more from blue collar "retards" than I ever did from PhD scientists.

Probably not a vacation you want to go on..
6   WookieMan   2021 Sep 22, 1:54am  

richwicks says
Your concept of a good life of superficial vacations and travel are false in my opinion. It's wasteful. You want to give him a good experience, give him a good education.

I'm gonna say you're wrong. It's not wasteful at all. You live life once. I don't even care if it's a tourist trap. We usually don't visit those.

We were in St. John last fall at Hansen Bay Beach, East End. Brought lunch with us. No cruise ships. Empty. A bunch of donkeys ate our damn lunch. That only happens once. It's a story that will live with our family, including my nephew who was with us. We laugh about it to this day.

Travel isn't always about the location. It's not about the cost. It's about the memories. It's about hiking 1,600' in elevation and having you 6 year old tell you they're going to die in Montana. Then they get to the end of the trail and the look in their eye of what they're seeing at a mountain lake. Is it perfect and without issues, no. But we're a traveling family and that won't change.

I think not traveling would be miserable. Even if you live in a scenic place. That gets boring. I'm not gonna knock people that don't like travel, all I'll say is I don't think it's healthy mentally to stay in the same place and not go elsewhere beyond a car drive.
7   clambo   2021 Sep 22, 3:12am  

Although I haven’t taken people with me, my travels are always fun and I have met interesting people too, some are now old friends.

I have a lot of memories from my travels, I feel lucky that I had the opportunity.
8   joshuatrio   2021 Sep 22, 4:57am  

richwicks says
WookieMan says
It's also opportunities lost to explore for my nephew, who hasn't had the best life


I'm going to comment on this.

Your concept of a good life of superficial vacations and travel are false in my opinion. It's wasteful. You want to give him a good experience, give him a good education.

I've lived in 5 states, so much variety here but I don't consider any of those experiences useful education or comprehension.

My mother used to travel with my aunt and when we hooked up, I had to see all the fucking goddamned tourist traps. When I went to Paris, I used my terrible French to connect to the locals. I hate tourist traps with such a fucking passion. To go into the Eiffel Tower was 2 hours. What? To stand on an ancient monument to a World's Fair?

See the actual world. Your kids are probably too young, and you frankly might be, but travel to a shithole in the middle of nowhere, just ...


Wookie, if you can't do a passport, a tour of the National Parks - or a few of them is a great alternative.

We spent the last two months traveling to about 20 of the National Parks. Drove almost 10,000 miles in those two months. Incredibly exhausting. We woke up at the crack of dawn, hiked several hundred miles and had a great time. Everyone wants to do it again. Kids learned more than in a year of school and it was nice to check out of work and be away from a screen.

Just an idea.
9   WookieMan   2021 Sep 22, 6:13am  

joshuatrio says
We spent the last two months traveling to about 20 of the National Parks. Drove almost 10,000 miles in those two months. Incredibly exhausting. We woke up at the crack of dawn, hiked several hundred miles and had a great time. Everyone wants to do it again. Kids learned more than in a year of school and it was nice to check out of work and be away from a screen.

We did the Utah leg for NP's last summer from SLC to Las Vegas. We've taken my boys to Mt. Rainer, Yellowstone, Tetons and others. Glacier and Yosemite are on the bucket list. I really can't stand being in a car for long amounts though. Utah was nice as we'd only do 4hr drives at max between parks. Not sure what it is, but I get extreme anxiety when stuck in a car for long periods.

Spring break week we have a wedding in Costa Rica. We cannot bring him at this point, yet have the means to bring him. We've been once and it's an amazing place. We booked Jamaica as a way to force my SIL to get this shit done to be honest. She's (SIL) cooperative, but an idiot. She won't give up guardianship, supposedly baby daddy will and it's not happening so far.

So we said fuck it, booked a trip and are trying to force her to get it done. My wife would probably cancel, my angle is we just go and he stays back and my mom watches him. Brutal for sure and not fair, but that's life. Sick of being handcuffed by an adult child that my SIL is. So much other drama that I don't want to get into. I love my wife, but as advice I'd try to avoid big families when searching for a spouse. They're generally toxic. I legit hooked up with the only good one.
10   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2021 Sep 22, 8:11am  

Booger says
Go to Florida or Puerto Rico instead.


There is no way in hell I would travel outside America while this Potato Maniac is in office. If you get kidnapped or worse, Biden will troll and dare the kidnappers to kill you, then just laugh when they do. The government of the country you're going to could hold and extort you for anything. It used to be Nations, and baddies in them around the world feared our State Department, and would tread lightly when dealing with Americans abroad. Those days are behind us, your family could get kidnapped and sold on the black market as slaved. Rand Paul could have photo graphic proof of them making your family slave in a diamond mind, and the Biden admin would just laugh about it.

My wife is working on passports for our kids 3 to 6, that will expire in a few short years anyway. I keep telling her, there's no way I would let her take them anywhere as long as Biden or like minded Animals are in charge in America..

Especially on a cruise ship, I can see in our future a cruise ship passenger getting some Faucci variant of Covid that they say will cause boyles and legions, and certain death. They then nuke the ship in port. Fuck that! Stay your asses home!
11   B.A.C.A.H.   2021 Sep 22, 8:26am  

Tenpoundbass says
My wife is working on passports for our kids 3 to 6, that will expire in a few short years anyway


Good idea. Your kids will find that a passport, even an expired one, is the simplest, easiest and most widely accepted proof of being legally able to work in the US. When they apply for their first jobs they won't have to scramble to find stuff for the hiring process: just bring the passport.

For proof of citizenship, the expired passport is as good as an unexpired one. So that's one thing. The other thing is that renewal of an expired passport is much easier than issuance of the first passport. So even if the kids don't ever use the thing till they're older adults, if they want to travel abroad all they have to do is renew. Much simpler than scrambling for documents.

In recent years they added a new form of travel ID, the wallet-sized "passport card". This document is cheaper than a full-fledged passport, but it's just as valid for proof of citizenship. I got one of those a few years ago. Carried it around with me as a backup when I'd misplaced my driver license.
12   B.A.C.A.H.   2021 Sep 22, 8:32am  

Tenpoundbass says
Especially on a cruise ship, I can see in our future a cruise ship passenger getting some Faucci variant of Covid


Yep.

My partner always wanted to go on a cruise but I read too much about the Norovirus to want to do that. I have a problem with the whole concept, it seems like a prison mostly populated with old folks (or drunk millenials) with each day at sea a day of contrived activities, and each day at port a day of contrived shallow and superficial tourist traps. Homie's not interested.

"I don't want to get sick" I would tell her. I sent her on a cruise with another lady. They had a blast and I had a better time staying home with the teenagers and dog and cat.
13   AmericanKulak   2021 Sep 22, 8:44am  

WookieMan says
So we have a fucked up situation. Took the nephew in, but mom is still guardian. Baby daddy is in prison currently. Both parents supposedly need to be present. Anyone ever deal with a similar situation or know someone that has?


You're going to need a letter. You might be able to get one from the State, saying you are the Guardian of the child, on top of the passport. Stamped & Notarized & Apostilled and whatever else you can think of. In addition to the passport. Trust me on this.

Especially if the last name is different.

Call the Sec. of State's office for your State, you can also try the FedGov. Another thing you can try is the local Social Security office/phone.

DONT leave without it.
14   WookieMan   2021 Sep 22, 9:19am  

B.A.C.A.H. says
I have a problem with the whole concept, it seems like a prison mostly populated with old folks (or drunk millenials) with each day at sea a day of contrived activities, and each day at port a day of contrived shallow and superficial tourist traps. Homie's not interested.

I think we've done 6 cruises. Your take is correct. It's worse now. NCL is only allowing NCL approved and purchased excursions otherwise you cannot get off the boat is what I'm hearing.

I liked cruises to explore new places easily, but we've explored enough and found the places we'll stick to in the Caribbean at least. We have no issue cooking our own meals so VRBO/Airbnb have worked well for us.

All AI's are nice if you willing to pay a bit more. We did two cheap ones and it just wasn't that great. You pay for what you get with an AI. Also depends if you're traveling with friends or family. We did a group one and got the worst room and we still had fun because of the group. If you're going as spouses and without kids, spend the money on a nicer place. Not necessarily Sandals or similar. There are smaller chains that are nicer.

We've had two amazing solo trips sans kids to Mexico. Sargassum is a huge issue in the Caribbean, especially the Yucatan with the trade winds certain times of the year if you're into the beach or swimming. That would be my only beef. The staff/locals are amazing. I'm surprised by some negativity I hear over the Yucatan. Never have felt unsafe and always had a good time.

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