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You can tell what Putin thinks by his actions, and sometimes his statements.
Ukraine is a sovereign country, which is why it got Putin to agree to guarantee its sovereignty previously.
Putin wants to recreate the Soviet Union, but instead of a time machine he is using tanks.

clambo says

You can tell what Putin thinks by his actions, and sometimes his statements.
Ukraine is a sovereign country, which is why it got Putin to agree to guarantee its sovereignty previously.
Putin wants to recreate the Soviet Union, but instead of a time machine he is using tanks.

Clambo, Ukraine's government was overthrown in 2014 with US help. We literally have State Department officials rubbing their hands with glee in the Memos of which stooge should take over after the coup. Donetsk and Luhansk are the "Stop the Steal" Separatists.

Amazing the Russians put up with a Stooge Government for 7 years. We wouldn't put up with a Russian Coup in Mexico for 7 days.

Everybody is now on the Eurasia hate bandwagon and knows exactly what Putler thinks, breathes and shits, but nobody provides any solutions to the current problem. I even had a person in our community suggest that Putler is suffering from covid and hence going insane. It really doesn't matter, what matters are solutions only and I haven't seen any so I support the talks as slow as they may be and hope they will be fruitful. Do some trade deal to give the separatist regions and some limiting weapon's guarantees and let the rest of Ukraine join the EU or whatever. Anything better than this lobotomized propaganda on both sides. Let's stop the loss of human lives and suffering first.

mell says

Everybody is now on the Eurasia hate bandwagon and knows exactly what Putler thinks, breathes and shits, but nobody provides any solutions to the current problem.

Give Russia a security guarantee that NATO won't move further East.

That's the solution.

Our government doesn't care if Ukrainians are killed, in fact, the more the better. It will be useful propaganda for them.

richwicks says

mell says

Everybody is now on the Eurasia hate bandwagon and knows exactly what Putler thinks, breathes and shits, but nobody provides any solutions to the current problem.

Give Russia a security guarantee that NATO won't move further East.

That's the solution.

Our government doesn't care if Ukrainians are killed, in fact, the more the better. It will be useful propaganda for them.

Sure but the rest of Ukraine should be able to join EU. Divide up the country if needed

mell says

richwicks says

mell says

Everybody is now on the Eurasia hate bandwagon and knows exactly what Putler thinks, breathes and shits, but nobody provides any solutions to the current problem.

Give Russia a security guarantee that NATO won't move further East.

That's the solution.

Our government doesn't care if Ukrainians are killed, in fact, the more the better. It will be useful propaganda for them.

Sure but the rest of Ukraine should be able to join EU. Divide up the country if needed

I think that the country WANTS to divide. That's part of what the conflict is in the Donbass region and the rest of the country.

The war could have easily been avoided. Governments don't care about their people. They are just cannon fodder.

Putler's biggest error was not staging a horrific false flag attack on Russia by what seemed to be by Ukraine.

mell says

Everybody is now on the Eurasia hate bandwagon and knows exactly what Putler thinks, breathes and shits, but nobody provides any solutions to the current problem.

The solution is return to the borders defined in the bilateral treaties between Russia and Ukraine. There has never been any legal or moral reason to renege on these.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Putler's biggest error was not staging a horrific false flag attack on Russia by what seemed to be by Ukraine.

The night is young.

Eric Holder says

mell says

Everybody is now on the Eurasia hate bandwagon and knows exactly what Putler thinks, breathes and shits, but nobody provides any solutions to the current problem.

The solution is return to the borders defined in the bilateral treaties between Russia and Ukraine. There has never been any legal or moral reason to renege on these.

The treaties were no good for Yugoslavia. Also if TX wanted to secede you wouldn't want xiden to send in the miltary. This conflict in donetsk/luhansk has been brewing forever, so sometimes you have to reneg. But if you wanted to keep the Ukraine as is then maybe guarantee neutral status (no NATO). Sure every "country" has the right to fucking do what they want, like Russia had the fucking right to put missiles into Cuba. But somehow the US were very much against it, for good reasons, and talks eventually resolved this. It's hardly ever useful to have an absolute stance on such complex issues with a long history. Plus as Putler ages the next prez may be much more willing to talk and reneg, the soviet union and the ddr went through many leaders, some more or less willing to talk about opening the iron curtain, I'm glad we waited until the time was right and eventually forced mostly peaceful ((c) cnn) change.

Maybe stirring things up in the Muslim majority areas of Russia like Dagestan and Chechnya would destabilize the Putin regime.

mell says

The solution is return to the borders defined in the bilateral treaties between Russia and Ukraine. There has never been any legal or moral reason to renege on these.

The treaties were no good for Yugoslavia.

I'm not aware of any treaties in Yugoslavia. AFAIK they went directly for the messy divorce using AKs and tanks. But it's irrelevant anyway. Ukraine and Russia has signed and ratified multiple bilateral and multi-lateral agreements between 1991 and 2014 which were never violated from Ukrainian side. Now these agreements need to be reinstated and followed if Russia wants to return back to normal political and economical relations. It's the only legally and morally acceptable outcome.

The solution is to move all the ethnic Russians out of there, including Crimea. It's not like they were there before Stalin.

mell says

I'm glad we waited until the time was right and eventually forced mostly peaceful ((c) cnn) change.

This isn't change.

This has been the plan forever. 100 years of war. That's what the Project for the New American Century was all about.

richwicks says

mell says

I'm glad we waited until the time was right and eventually forced mostly peaceful ((c) cnn) change.

This isn't change.

This has been the plan forever. 100 years of war. That's what the Project for the New American Century was all about.

The fall of the Berlin wall was not planned. The people wanted and effected it eventually

Booger says

The solution is to move all the ethnic Russians out of there, including Crimea. It's not like they were there before Stalin.

Sure, but who is going to do that and how?

mell says

The fall of the Berlin wall was not planned. The people wanted and effected it eventually

Yes, I don't think our government was entirely a criminal syndicate back then. I was young. I'm old now, and it's quite clear our government is a criminal syndicate and NOTHING ELSE at this point.

The Neocons came to power in the late 1980's, Reagan put a bunch of the bastards in jail, Bush Sr. pardoned them and placed them into his administration. Clinton was controlled opposition, good friends with the Bush family - he ran drugs for Iran Contra through Arkansas. Bush Sr. was once the CIA director, and we all know what a great and honorable organization the CIA is... Clinton worked with the Neocons as well. He was trying to make the case for war against Iraq back in the late 1990s.

It was a horrible disaster for the MIC to have the USSR collapse. They didn't want that. They made a TON OF MONEY building weapons that couldn't be used lest we end the world itself. Every since then, they've been trying to recreate the threat of the USSR. We're going back to an active Cold War. Now kids are going to grow up with the constant threat of nuclear annihilation over their heads - constantly propagandized about that just as I was - in fact most people here were.

This is a HUGE win for the Neocons and the MIC.

Neocons were regarded as touched and kept in the basement during Reagan, I heard on some show once a long while ago.

B.A.C.A.H. says

Maybe stirring things up in the Muslim majority areas of Russia like Dagestan and Chechnya would destabilize the Putin regime.

If Russia crosses Saudi path it will happen...

mell says

Booger says

The solution is to move all the ethnic Russians out of there, including Crimea. It's not like they were there before Stalin.

Sure, but who is going to do that and how?

Pay them from Russian state money arrested abroad to relocate into Russia. Buy out their houses and flats, buy them tickets and give some vodka&zakuska money so they have something to enterntain themselves with on that 7-day train ride to Vladivostok. I'm sure Russian patriots would be happy to go back to their Motherland ruled by a smart and strong leader they admire so much and the only thing holding them back is lack of funds to settle there.

mell says

but nobody provides any solutions to the current problem.

What problem..usa crime rate, BLM, covid vax mandates, voter fraud, fake media, censorship, etc.?

Eric Holder says

the only thing holding them back is lack of funds to settle there.

It is always easier to love Motherland and its leader from a distance (c) Russians in most of former Soviet Union