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richwicks says

A bunch of Jews moved into the area in the early 1900's, they are bigots, conflict ensued and the US supports the Zionist bigots. It doesn't matter what we say and it's impossible to change minds because out of all the propaganda we have been given, this is the most difficult mountain to climb. I can probably convince you that the Iraq War didn't happen over weapons of mass destruction, that Qaddafi wasn't gassing his own people, that the Syrian war was over energy from the Golan Heights - relatively easily, but I won't be able to convince you that Zionism is nothing more than the KKK for Jews, except the Zionists have full Western support and they will win.

Sometimes, propaganda is just propaganda. People blame a certain group for starting a certain revolution when we have self-admissions from both sides, as well as abundant documentation, that a later Nazi named Ludendorf signed off on putting Lenin on a sealed train with a mountain of cash to stoke more Revolution in Russia after the new Russian Government wasn't accepting peace on the Kaiser's Terms.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Erich-Ludendorff?source=patrick.net

I edited by comment to read "that Qaddafi wasn't taking Viagra to rape girls (does Viagra even make sex enjoyable to men?), that the Syrian war"

AmericanKulak says

richwicks says

A bunch of Jews moved into the area in the early 1900's, they are bigots, conflict ensued and the US supports the Zionist bigots. It doesn't matter what we say and it's impossible to change minds because out of all the propaganda we have been given, this is the most difficult mountain to climb. I can probably convince you that the Iraq War didn't happen over weapons of mass destruction, that Qaddafi wasn't gassing his own people, that the Syrian war was over energy from the Golan Heights - relatively easily, but I won't be able to convince you that Zionism is nothing more than the KKK for Jews, except the Zionists have full Western support and they will win.

Sometimes, propaganda is just propaganda. People blame a certain group for starting a certain revolution when we have self-admissions from both sides, as well as abundant documentation, that a later Nazi nam...

We are programmed. MKUltra just formalized it.

With regard to Israel, the INDIGENOUS people have a legitimate gripe. If a group is unfairly persecuted by country X, that doesn't justify resettling them in area Y.

It's as simple as that, but morality has nothing to do with it. Morality has nothing to do with it at all. The Palestinians are most likely the Israelites of the Bible, forcibly converted to Islam. The Jewish invaders, some of them might be descendants, but they have far less a connection to the land. They are invaders. I'm Irish and Polish - 1/2 my family left Ireland during the potato famine, 1/2 my family left Poland to flee just before Hitler invaded. I have no right to assert a claim on land on either nation, even if "God granted it to me". I'm not a fucking religious nut, and the Zionists aren't either - they are just fucking cynical assholes.

I support Ethnic Cleansing, it ends excuses for wars. Everywhere in Europe where the US and USSR frogmarched ethnicites over borders to create homogenous states, there is peace.

Except in Northern Ireland and Yugoslavia, the two places they didn't after WW2.

I can't imagine any reason besides the cynical that Jews might want to have their own country. Anyway, the DNA evidence shows massive Levantine ancestry for both Ashkenazi, Sephardic, and most Mizrahim Jews. There are 4 Levantine Arab states for Arab Levantines to choose if they want to live in an Arab (and Muslim) homogenous state. All with a similar climate. "Oh, I can't stand living in an hour away in Amman/Damascus, it's so DIFFERENT than living in Jerusalem. Wet Jungle, no aridity..."

"I can't stand living in San Jose, take me back to Fremont, where the climate is totally different!"

Once upon a time there were only 3 homogenous Arab Muslim states, but then the Lebanese Civil War happened and Syria kept switching sides to give them an excuse to stay, hopefully permanently.

In any case, it's also good that Druze and Bedouin are also fully protected in Israel - when they lack rights and protections in Syria and elsewhere nearby.

AmericanKulak says

I can't imagine any reason besides the cynical that Jews might want to have their own country. Anyway, the DNA evidence shows massive Levantine ancestry for both Ashkenazi, Sephardic, and most Mizrahim Jews.

It's highly politically charged and as a result you should suspect falisification.

A Spanish genealogist concluded that the Palestinians had ancestry back to 0 AD, before the Jewish diaspora on 70 AD caused by the Romans. He was hounded and attacked relentlessly and his paper was recalled.

Science is constantly attacked. They didn't attack his results, they attacked him. He was anti-Semitic, he was a racist, he was this, he was that, but they never demonstrated he made an error.

Can you see this sort of shit happens with global warming? How about sars-cov2-19? Bruno got burned at the stake for being right that stars were suns, Galileo was under house arrest for claiming the Earth revolved around the sun. There's ultimately objectivity in science, but when mixed with political dogma, it can take centuries.

AmericanKulak says

In any case, it's also good that Druze and Bedouin are also fully protected in Israel - when they lack rights and protections in Syria and elsewhere nearby.

Who told you this? CNN? Fox News? NPR? Don't you realize we have unrelenting propaganda yet?

The black Ethiopians "Jews" aren't protected - Israel was sterilizing them:

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-ethiopians-fooled-into-birth-control-1.5226424?source=patrick.net

Who gives a shit? Let these assholes figure it out - I just don't want my nation to be a part of it. That's my objection, that, and I'm condemned and demonized for not supporting it unconditionally. I know, personally, you are forbidden to question political dogma. I've been in this shit show for 25 years and I've given up. Believe any nonsense you like. I no longer care, because I'm obviously up against an enemy I cannot win against.

richwicks says

A Spanish genealogist concluded that the Palestinians had ancestry back to 0 AD, before the Jewish diaspora on 70 AD caused by the Romans. He was hounded and attacked relentlessly and his paper was recalled.

Well he shouldn't. Levantine, like European Nations, is broad. There's almost no difference between Levantine populations, so we can't say "Aha, this one is from Judea and this was from Tyre-Lebanon." However, all major Jewish groups have substantial Levantine blood.

richwicks says

The black Ethiopians "Jews" aren't protected - Israel was sterilizing them:

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-ethiopians-fooled-into-birth-control-1.5226424?source=patrick.net

Long debunked story. Eithiopian refugees were offered deepo-prevera shots - which last 3 months - right after landing. Most were already mothers of several children. No evidence of force or misleading was found. In fact, some of them went back and requested the shots. Keep in mind Israel has a perennial housing shortage, these immigrants were from isolated mountain valleys in Eithiopia and many had never seen electricity or a plane up close before, and ALL immigrants - inc. from Eastern Europe or elsewhere - are offered the shots upon Aliyah and medical checkup.
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-big-lie-involuntary-sterilization-of-black-ethiopian-women/?source=patrick.net

Haaretz is the Guardian/WaPo of Israel with a circulation beaten by the local Free Arts and Events weekly newsrag. And about the same level of journalism.

AmericanKulak says

Well he shouldn't. Levantine, like European Nations, is broad. There's almost no difference between Levantine populations, so we can't say "Aha, this one is from Judea and this was from Tyre-Lebanon." However, all major Jewish groups have substantial Levantine blood.

Zionists are nothing but a group of supremacists. You may as well call them the Italian mafia, if they were Italian. They are thugs. Israel is a thug nation. Read any description of the KKK and replace "White Anglo-Saxon protestant" with Jew, you will see that is their philosophy.

AmericanKulak says

Long debunked story. Eithiopian refugees

I hate arguing this. I'm so fucking tired arguing about this after decades.

Believe this vicious group that has been in continual war that has a nuclear weapon stockpile in Dimona are just a bunch of innocents. I long ago stopped giving a damn, I realize it's worthless. Even if I can change your mind, it doesn't matter.

They will take the West Bank, will either drive them out, exterminate them, or kill them, and what will (might) remain will be reservations, and there's no two state solution although that's the stated, dishonest goal - Israel could have declared their borders more than 40 years ago, they are obviously dishonest, and it's like trying to explain something like "if you're vaccinated, why do I need to be to protect you". If Israel wants a two state solution - declare the borders of Israel, but they never will even though they have the power to do it. Doesn't make any fucking sense if they want a two state solution - but it makes perfect sense if they are just blatantly and obviously lying about a desire for a two state solution.

There's no intention of having a two state solution, it's always been a lie, it's blatantly obvious, the one stupid asshole that was dumb enough to believe this was true was Yitzhak Rabin - he was murdered for it, if you can't see it, well it's no different than people that think Lincoln fought a war to "free the slaves".

I absolutely hate discussing this. I'm denounced, I'm called racist, anti-Semitic, bigot - fuck it. The truth comes out in time, but when the truth comes out, it will be beyond my lifetime and perhaps only a few academics will appreciate it. It's not about being on the "wrong side of history", it's just about recognizing what is morally right. Nobody gives a shit about your stupid interpretation of going through the enormous effort of making a moral judgement. I knew that decades ago.

It's nothing more than an interesting example of a modern genocide, that's all. I have spent 30 years watching a modern genocide, the only thing I'm curious about at this point, is will it be recorded as a genocide - my bet it won't be. This is happened many times, but when I was a stupid kid, I thought it was impossible to happen in modern times. It's interesting that I was once so naive and stupid not to realize our society is just as barbaric and murderous as it ever was.

I want to avoid this subject because it's not allowed to be discussed, I'm not anti-Semitic, I'm not a Nazi, I'm not a racist, and I'm not a bigot - but I have to deal with all those labels in discussing this and libel and slander by these people is entirely acceptable. I'll let the monsters be monsters. I don't care. I gave up "the good fight" over a decade ago. I didn't give up this argument because I was shown to be wrong, I gave it up because the ad-hominem attacks are real, that are extremely damaging, and people don't give a shit about right or wrong. I do not enjoy engaging with mindless sociopaths. You are unlikely to be one, but there's an enormous amount "on your side" - I'll leave it to you to decide if you're on "the right side". I'm sick of this argument.

richwicks says

Zionists are nothing but a group of supremacists.

Just another Nationalist group.

If Zionism is supremacism, so is Irish Nationalism, German Unification, Kurdistan advocates, etc. And definitely Taiwan's existence.

richwicks says

There's no intention of having a two state solution, it's always been a lie, it's blatantly obvious, the one stupid asshole that was dumb enough to believe this was true was Yitzhak Rabin - he was murdered for it, if you can't see it, well it's no different than people that think Lincoln fought a war to "free the slaves".

There's already two state solution - Jordan is 2/3rd of Mandatory Palestine and 90% of Jordanians say they're "Palestinians" by ethnicity. The two state is really a three state solution.

And yes, it's a lie. I mentioned the 1964 PLO Constitution that called for NO Israel and happy to let Jordanians annex the West Bank and Egypt, Gaza. The Two State was unworkable and only became accepted by the PLO leadership - it's been unpopular for both Levantine Arabs and Hebrews - because they lost their sponsor, the USSR, and then their other big sponsor, the Ba'ath Party of Iraq, in the early 90s.

richwicks says

I want to avoid this subject because it's not allowed to be discussed, I'm not anti-Semitic, I'm not a Nazi, I'm not a racist, and I'm not a bigot

I think this subject comes up over and over again on the board, that said, I've not seen any evidence of the latter.

On a seemingly unrelated subject, but I think it is related - and it's not related to YOUR posts - I see entirely too much HRE EuroTyranny worship generally and rose-colored glasses about Central European Despotism and "One Prince, One Religion" advocacy in general, esp. on Patriots.win and I'm leaning towards that being "Guidance" from Glowies to undermine Americanism from the Right. The way some posters go on you'd think the US was founded by Society of Saint Pius IX refugees fleeing the Enlightenment rather than by Radical Reformists with a deep experience and belief in decentralization and liberty.

If Hitler was a Joo and the worst antisemites are Joos which means that the whole Holocaust thing was just Joos killing other Joos, why is Russia of all places suddenly so hot and bothered about internal Jooish affairs? And wouldn't their stated intent to kill Nazis be basically an intent to kill Joos, making Russian into Nazis themselves and therefore making them into Joos?

AmericanKulak says

richwicks says

Zionists are nothing but a group of supremacists.

Just another Nationalist group.

Based
on
ethnicity.

I HATE talking about this.

The KKK just wanted a nation controlled by white anglo saxon protestants for the exclusively benefit of white anglo saxxon benefit.
The Zionists just want a nation controlled by Jews, for the exclusively benefit of Jews.

There's nothing at all to argue. If one is wrong, both are. If one is right, both are. Take whatever position you like.

AmericanKulak says

There's already two state solution - Jordan is 2/3rd of Mandatory Palestine

Whatever. It's a specious argument. All this means is that Gaza and the West Bank are Israel and fuck UN Resolution 194, and 181 - UN is an illegitimate body anyhow, and 181 was a violation of a state's right to self determination. The Jewish people wanted partition, the Palestinians did not - the Palestinians weren't asked.

I don't give a fucking damn about the situation anymore, the only reason I have to fucking deal with this is that the US sends bribes in the form of "aid" to Israel, illegally because of Dimona, and the money comes right back in terms of bribes to continue to produce more "aid" for Israel. Israel is nothing more than Ukraine on steroids.

All this fucking nuttiness about abandoning reasoning, rank total hypocrisy, dual standards, that's EVERYTHING about Israel. They are the worlds greatest hypocrites and I'm fucking tired of it. They'll cry and moan about the holocaust, they'll lie about the numbers, they make up bullshit all the time about it, and they are PRECISELY as brutal as the Nazis EVER were. They are taking their goddamned sweet time doing the slowest, most deliberate genocide in all of recorded history and scream "anti-Antisemitism" if anybody dares to point out what a fucking crime it is. It's disgusting to see people support it.

Actually, the Palestinian population expanded rapidly all through this "genocide".

Patrick says

Actually, the Palestinian population expanded rapidly all through this "genocide".

Yes, they have a major diaspora now. I used to work with a guy whose family was driven out of Israel. He is Christian.

Genocide refers not only to the extinction of a people, it is an extinction of their culture. Today, people deny that the Palestinians ever existed and in 200 years or so, even the descendants won't know they existed. That is how complete this will be.

The Druids were driven to extinction, but their gene line still remains I'm certain.

Meeting to discuss the details of upcoming denazification of Israel:

After Haniyeh-Lavrov call, Hamas delegation jets off to Moscow for meeting with Russian officials

Today, 11:08 am

A Hamas delegation has set out to Moscow to meet with officials in the Russian Foreign Ministry, the Hamas-linked Safa News site reports.

The delegation is composed of Hamas officials based outside of Gaza.

Hamas has seen its ties with Russia improve in recent years. Last month, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh held a rare phone call with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/after-haniyeh-lavrov-call-hamas-delegation-jets-off-to-moscow-for-meeting-with-russian-officials/?source=patrick.net

RWSGFY says

Meeting to discuss the details of upcoming denazification of Israel:

After Haniyeh-Lavrov call, Hamas delegation jets off to Moscow for meeting with Russian officials

Today, 11:08 am

A Hamas delegation has set out to Moscow to meet with officials in the Russian Foreign Ministry, the Hamas-linked Safa News site reports.

The delegation is composed of Hamas officials based outside of Gaza.

Hamas has seen its ties with Russia improve in recent years. Last month, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh held a rare phone call with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/after-haniyeh-lavrov-call-hamas-delegation-jets-off-to-moscow-for-meeting-with-russian-officials/?source=patrick.net

SERVES THE FUCKERS RIGHT FOR BEING THE WORST ANTISEMITES AND RELATIVES OF LITERALLY HITLER!!!

Russian chief rabbi: ‘It would be nice’ if Russia’s Lavrov apologized for Hitler comments

(JTA) — Russian Chief Rabbi Berel Lazar has criticized remarks by his country’s foreign minister, who suggested that the worst antisemites were Jewish and that Adolf Hitler had Jewish ancestry.

Lazar’s forthright criticism of Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov’s remarks Sunday — he called them “shocking” and said he wished Lavrov would apologize — is unusual in Russia, where other clergy have been supportive of the war in Ukraine and where dissent is largely illegal.

Widely viewed as having close ties with Russian President Vladimir Putin, Lazar and the organization he leads, the Chabad Lubavitch-affiliated Federation of Jewish Communities of Russia, have expressed displeasure with the war while refraining from criticizing the Putin regime directly over it.

“I do not consider myself entitled to give advice to the head of Russian diplomacy — but it would be nice if he apologized to the Jews and simply admitted that he was mistaken,” Lazar wrote in a reply to a request for comment by the Jewish Telegraphic Agency.

“I think it would then be possible to consider the incident settled and turn the page,” Lazar added.

Meanwhile, the Russian foreign ministry doubled down on the controversial remarks amid a diplomatic row about them with Israel, adding to a growing number of signs that Lavrov’s comments could mark a turning point for Israeli leaders who previously had not condemned Russia’s invasion of Ukraine with the same force as other world leaders.

“We paid attention to the anti-historical statements of the head of the Israeli Foreign Ministry @yairlapid , which largely explain the course of the current Israeli Government support of the neo-Nazi regime in Kyiv,” Russia’s ministry tweeted.

...

https://www.jta.org/2022/05/03/global/russian-chief-rabbi-it-would-be-nice-if-russias-lavrov-apologized-for-hitler-comments?source=patrick.net

The whole motive "Joos are Nazis" is not something new - it's an old Soviet song:

Eric Holder says

The whole motive "Joos are Nazis" is not something new - it's an old Soviet song:

That might be because Lehi attempted to collaborate with the Nazis:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)#Nazi_Germany

Yitzhak Shamir was one of the leaders of Lehi.

People don't understand governments use radical groups, they aren't radical groups themselves, they are always establishment

The idea of "Joos are Nazis" is also very popular amont American Left. This is what was published in Dailykos:




Removed, of course, but the Internet remembers:

Eric Holder says

The idea of "Joos are Nazis" is also very popular amont American Left. This is what was published in Dailykos:




Removed, of course, but the Internet remembers:

No it doesn't. There's not even a weblink there. Searching for

"storyonly/2008/5/13/32250/0411/1021"

or

"2488377601_0003a28547.jpg"

Returns nothing. That's just a picture. It doesn't pick up anything in archive.org or dailykdos.com

How do you get images like these that clearly point to nothing? Doing a reverse image search, I did find this:

https://ce399.typepad.com/weblog/2009/11/new-cointelpro-campaign-directed-at-arabs-muslims-and-south-east-asians-2005.html?source=patrick.net

richwicks says

Eric Holder says

The idea of "Joos are Nazis" is also very popular amont American Left. This is what was published in Dailykos:




Removed, of course, but the Internet remembers:

No it doesn't. There's not even a weblink there. Searching for

"storyonly/2008/5/13/32250/0411/1021"

or

"2488377601_0003a28547.jpg"

Returns nothing.

Booooolsheeeet. Returns dailykos, first result : https://tineye.com/search/11dd14e894e640cec3620dbe1a97d950f83d6ebd?sort=crawl_date&order=asc&page=1&source=patrick.net

And here is an archive page from the waybackmachine: "https://web.archive.org/web/20080718191326/http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/13/32250/0411/1021/514616"





"But how do we know the waybackmachine is real?", right? Fucking pathetic.

Eric Holder says

Booooolsheeeet. Returns dailykos, first result : https://tineye.com/search/11dd14e894e640cec3620dbe1a97d950f83d6ebd?sort=crawl_date&order=asc&page=1&source=patrick.net

And here is an archive page from the waybackmachine: https://web.archive.org/web/20080718191326/http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/13/32250/0411/1021/514616?source=patrick.net

Hunh, that's not what I got.

archive.org doesn't work adding the ?source=patrick.net on it but you can manually remove it.

The Putin explainers can stop twisting into pretzels - Pedo Vlad himself has slapped Lavrov silly for saying the quiet part aloud and apologized to the Israeli PM:

Putin apologized to Israel today for Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov's recent anti-Semitic outburst. Lavrov's vile statements came as he scrambled to explain how Russia could be "de-Nazifying" Ukraine when Ukraine's president is himself Jewish

Good show! Now, at ease!

It's on, bitchez:

In first, Russian military said to fire S-300 missiles at Israeli jets over Syria

TV says incident came last week as IAF fighters departed area after alleged strike and they were not in danger; move could signal a significant shift in Moscow’s ties with Israel

Russian forces opened fire on Israeli jets with advanced S-300 anti-aircraft missiles at the end of an alleged IAF attack on targets in northwestern Syria last week, Channel 13 news reported Monday, in what could signal a significant shift in Moscow’s attitude to Israel.

According to the unsourced report, the unprecedented incident occurred on Friday night, when the Israeli Air Force bombed several targets near the city of Masyaf in northwestern Syria.

At least five people were killed and seven were hurt in the airstrike, Syria’s state news agency said. Other media in the country said six were killed, all crew members of a Pantsir air defense system who attempted to take down the Israeli missiles.

The report said the Syrian military fired off dozens of anti-aircraft missiles, which have been largely ineffective at halting the hundreds of Israeli strikes on Syria in recent years.

However, this time the S-300 batteries also opened fire as the jets were departing the area, Channel 12 said. The report noted that Syria’s S-300 batteries are operated by the Russian military and cannot be fired without their approval.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-russian-military-said-to-fire-s-300-missiles-at-israeli-jets-over-syria/

Serves these Joos right for being such fucking Nazis and LITERALLLY HITLER'S RELATIVES!!!